On June 20 2016 04:41 Rebs wrote: And the moron who was talking about a "free ticket" to the finals. Well it would only be a free ticket if they were a tier 1 team, which they arent. So I dont see how thats relevant either.
Speaking about moronic statements, let's look at yours.
1. Navi is the best tier 2 - arguable. You can't clearly say they are better than Alliance or Fnatic. Unless you don't want to admit a lucky bracket where they meet the first good team in the finals.
Wow I guess everyone including Valve inferior to your powerful Dota knowledge
On June 20 2016 04:41 Rebs wrote: And the moron who was talking about a "free ticket" to the finals. Well it would only be a free ticket if they were a tier 1 team, which they arent. So I dont see how thats relevant either.
Speaking about moronic statements, let's look at yours.
1. Navi is the best tier 2 - arguable. You can't clearly say they are better than Alliance or Fnatic. Unless you don't want to admit a lucky bracket where they meet the first good team in the finals.
Wow I guess everyone including Valve inferior to your powerful Dota knowledge
?
Valve reward stable rosters and results, Na'Vi got very lucky with their bracket for good enough results, therefore the invite. By luck or not, they've done what they had to. How does that prove they are better than Fnatic and Alliance? Cause Valve said so? In that case, I'll just smile at you thinking that they're the same invite-worthy caliber as OG, Liquid, Newbee for beating some mediocre tier 2 teams. You know, since you seem to equate invites with real level of skill or something and not other factors. Not like Valve has had subpar invites in other years, right?
On June 20 2016 04:41 Rebs wrote: And the moron who was talking about a "free ticket" to the finals. Well it would only be a free ticket if they were a tier 1 team, which they arent. So I dont see how thats relevant either.
Speaking about moronic statements, let's look at yours.
1. Navi is the best tier 2 - arguable. You can't clearly say they are better than Alliance or Fnatic. Unless you don't want to admit a lucky bracket where they meet the first good team in the finals.
Wow I guess everyone including Valve inferior to your powerful Dota knowledge
?
Valve reward stable rosters and results, Na'Vi got very lucky with their bracket for good enough results, therefore the invite. I'm not surprised that they were the ones picked based on that. How does that prove they are better than Fnatic and Alliance? Cause Valve said so? In that case, I'll just smile at you thinking that they're the same caliber as OG, Liquid, Newbee and the rest of the invited names for beating some mediocre tier 2 teams. Not like Valve has had subpar invites in other years, right?
Na'vi beat Alliance at the Manila Major. Also, they clean Vega 2-0 at ESL (who beat A 2-1) and make it to the grand final, while Alliance get eliminated in the group stage. That's enough to put them ahead of Alliance on the invite list.
Na'vi vs. Fanatic is arguable. But they are not in the same region.
OG, Liquid and Newbee are clearly better than the rest atm. You can't make that comparison.
On June 20 2016 04:41 Rebs wrote: And the moron who was talking about a "free ticket" to the finals. Well it would only be a free ticket if they were a tier 1 team, which they arent. So I dont see how thats relevant either.
Speaking about moronic statements, let's look at yours.
1. Navi is the best tier 2 - arguable. You can't clearly say they are better than Alliance or Fnatic. Unless you don't want to admit a lucky bracket where they meet the first good team in the finals.
2. It wouldn't be a free ticket if they played the best tier 2 teams, which they didn't. The worst VP in years, a massively slumping Col and Vega? Tough argument to make for the top of tier 2 based on those.
3. I admited SOME merits to doing what's needed with their bracket, free ticket does not mean they didn't deserve the victories they got. It was just an easy path, considering they didn't play even the top of tier 2.
ahan... I dont know what points you are addressing. I just made 1 point lol. You can obfuscate and overcomplicate your bullshit all you want. Common sense and conventional wisdom doesnt agree with you.
You can only play what you are up against, and the results show that on average they are the 3rd best team in Europe at the moment. End of discussion.
There is no such thing as an easy path at that level. There are only hard paths and harder paths. Hence my point that your free ticket statement was moronic.
On June 20 2016 04:41 Rebs wrote: And the moron who was talking about a "free ticket" to the finals. Well it would only be a free ticket if they were a tier 1 team, which they arent. So I dont see how thats relevant either.
Speaking about moronic statements, let's look at yours.
1. Navi is the best tier 2 - arguable. You can't clearly say they are better than Alliance or Fnatic. Unless you don't want to admit a lucky bracket where they meet the first good team in the finals.
Wow I guess everyone including Valve inferior to your powerful Dota knowledge
?
Valve reward stable rosters and results, Na'Vi got very lucky with their bracket for good enough results, therefore the invite. By luck or not, they've done what they had to. How does that prove they are better than Fnatic and Alliance? Cause Valve said so? In that case, I'll just smile at you thinking that they're the same invite-worthy caliber as OG, Liquid, Newbee for beating some mediocre tier 2 teams. You know, since you seem to equate invites with real level of skill or something and not other factors. Not like Valve has had subpar invites in other years, right?
On June 20 2016 04:41 Rebs wrote: And the moron who was talking about a "free ticket" to the finals. Well it would only be a free ticket if they were a tier 1 team, which they arent. So I dont see how thats relevant either.
Speaking about moronic statements, let's look at yours.
1. Navi is the best tier 2 - arguable. You can't clearly say they are better than Alliance or Fnatic. Unless you don't want to admit a lucky bracket where they meet the first good team in the finals.
Wow I guess everyone including Valve inferior to your powerful Dota knowledge
?
Valve reward stable rosters and results, Na'Vi got very lucky with their bracket for good enough results, therefore the invite. By luck or not, they've done what they had to. How does that prove they are better than Fnatic and Alliance? Cause Valve said so? In that case, I'll just smile at you thinking that they're the same invite-worthy caliber as OG, Liquid, Newbee for beating some mediocre tier 2 teams. You know, since you seem to equate invites with real level of skill or something and not other factors. Not like Valve has had subpar invites in other years, right?
U MAD BRO ?
Haters will literally clean out their assholes to find excuses to hate. Let him enjoy himself.
We will break through and become victorious! Believe it. Hopefully at the Summit we can play and beat teams from China, and meet either OG or Liquid in the finals and finally emerge victorious before TI.
We've had some amazing games, especially Dendi's timbersaw game vs Vega. We are going to win, just have to get past the mental block vs OG. Believe it.
lol OG is too much of a kryptonite for Navi I reckon.
So we've managed to beat most good teams in the West apart from OG and Liquid (though the phrase "good teams in the west" is largely debatable). We haven't got a chance to test against best Chinese teams and SEA teams yet. Hopefully we can run into fnatic durint The Summit 5.
On June 10 2016 22:44 DucK- wrote: I don't think there's any western team aside from og and liquid that deserves a ti6 invite more than navi.
yeah, if Navi doesn't get an invite we revolt
Maybe if they cut down invites to 4 total or something like that Navi doesn't get one but that's not going to happen lol. Good games and great run. I just hope they stick together and continue improving
Called the magic number. As long as 6+ invites navi is safe o/
On June 20 2016 04:41 Rebs wrote: And the moron who was talking about a "free ticket" to the finals. Well it would only be a free ticket if they were a tier 1 team, which they arent. So I dont see how thats relevant either.
Speaking about moronic statements, let's look at yours.
1. Navi is the best tier 2 - arguable. You can't clearly say they are better than Alliance or Fnatic. Unless you don't want to admit a lucky bracket where they meet the first good team in the finals.
2. It wouldn't be a free ticket if they played the best tier 2 teams, which they didn't. The worst VP in years, a massively slumping Col and Vega? Tough argument to make for the top of tier 2 based on those.
3. I admited SOME merits to doing what's needed with their bracket, free ticket does not mean they didn't deserve the victories they got. It was just an easy path, considering they didn't play even the top of tier 2.
Vega is not bad at all and CoL isn't either.
Which are the best tier2 teams in your opinion?
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Back to NaVi: I wanna see them play against eastern teams, we have already seen them play a lot europeans.
On June 20 2016 04:41 Rebs wrote: And the moron who was talking about a "free ticket" to the finals. Well it would only be a free ticket if they were a tier 1 team, which they arent. So I dont see how thats relevant either.
Speaking about moronic statements, let's look at yours.
1. Navi is the best tier 2 - arguable. You can't clearly say they are better than Alliance or Fnatic. Unless you don't want to admit a lucky bracket where they meet the first good team in the finals.
Wow I guess everyone including Valve inferior to your powerful Dota knowledge
?
Valve reward stable rosters and results, Na'Vi got very lucky with their bracket for good enough results, therefore the invite. By luck or not, they've done what they had to. How does that prove they are better than Fnatic and Alliance? Cause Valve said so? In that case, I'll just smile at you thinking that they're the same invite-worthy caliber as OG, Liquid, Newbee for beating some mediocre tier 2 teams. You know, since you seem to equate invites with real level of skill or something and not other factors. Not like Valve has had subpar invites in other years, right?
U MAD BRO ?
What's up with this "lel u mad", "Valve proved you wrong" when I didn't show anger or frustration and nothing was proven? You get worked up for nothing.
Na'Vi getting invited does not make them better, they'll go there just like at the Manilla Major and hope for some top 10 result. Pretty much like some of the teams coming from qualifiers. We'll see how they do compared to the rest of the tier 2, since the opinion here is that they are clearly at the top of it due to a lucky bracket where they didn't play the best of that tier either. By popular opinion, Na'Vi should probably only finish behind/lose to top 4 teams, we'll see about that.
LE: To clarify, best tier 2 teams imo would be Alliance, Fnatic and Vici Reborn on top of them. Vici has a better resume than Na'Vi (won a lan, beat OG and LGD, which is more than what Na'Vi did). Fnatic has 5th-6th at the Majors twice now too. Na'Vi has the achievement of going through not even the best tier 2 teams towards a finals close to TI.
On June 20 2016 04:41 Rebs wrote: And the moron who was talking about a "free ticket" to the finals. Well it would only be a free ticket if they were a tier 1 team, which they arent. So I dont see how thats relevant either.
Speaking about moronic statements, let's look at yours.
1. Navi is the best tier 2 - arguable. You can't clearly say they are better than Alliance or Fnatic. Unless you don't want to admit a lucky bracket where they meet the first good team in the finals.
Wow I guess everyone including Valve inferior to your powerful Dota knowledge
?
Valve reward stable rosters and results, Na'Vi got very lucky with their bracket for good enough results, therefore the invite. By luck or not, they've done what they had to. How does that prove they are better than Fnatic and Alliance? Cause Valve said so? In that case, I'll just smile at you thinking that they're the same invite-worthy caliber as OG, Liquid, Newbee for beating some mediocre tier 2 teams. You know, since you seem to equate invites with real level of skill or something and not other factors. Not like Valve has had subpar invites in other years, right?
U MAD BRO ?
What's up with this "lel u mad", "Valve proved you wrong" when I didn't show anger or frustration and nothing was proven? You get worked up for nothing.
Na'Vi getting invited does not make them better, they'll go there just like at the Manilla Major and hope for some top 10 result. Pretty much like some of the teams coming from qualifiers. We'll see how they do compared to the rest of the tier 2, since the opinion here is that they are clearly at the top of it due to a lucky bracket where they didn't play the best of that tier either. By popular opinion, Na'Vi should probably only finish behind/lose to top 4 teams, we'll see about that.
LE: To clarify, best tier 2 teams imo would be Alliance, Fnatic and Vici Reborn on top of them. Vici has a better resume than Na'Vi (won a lan, beat OG and LGD, which is more than what Na'Vi did). Fnatic has 5th-6th at the Majors twice now too. Na'Vi has the achievement of going through not even the best tier 2 teams towards a finals close to TI.
NaVi is at the top of tier2 in the context where found themselves at the time. Meaning that they played almost only EU/NA teams and won. No one can say NaVi is better or worse than Fnatic or VG.R because they either played one or no series against each other... One series means nothing.
On the one hand, NaVi got at ESL a lucky path to the finals. On the other hand they got the worst possible path at the Major. Fnatic got lucky at the Major and lost to Alliance at ESL (NaVi won twice against [A] in the last month) so they may win NaVi but for that they must play first. VG.R lost at the Major to both [A] and Fnatic and won NaVi at I-League.
Would you rather invite Fnatic because they placed well at Shangai and got lucky at Manila but lost to [A] at ESL? Would you rather invite VG.R because they won NaVi two months ago but lost to [A] and Fnatic at the Major? Or would you invite NaVi because they got lucky at ESL and lost to better teams at Manila?
In my opinion, it is all the same. Any of three is equally deserving of an invite but there is only one of them in EU. NaVi, VG.R and Fnatic can win/lose to [A] and to each other. The only way to prove it is playing.
Top of tier2 for me are: NaVi, VG.R, Fnatic, LGD and [A], they proved it in their respective regions. They can still lose to teams like Vega, Empire, CoL and so on, just because the line that separates them is so thin. Sadly no team of those can hope to beat OG, Liquid or NewBee they way they are playing.
I said it before and once again now, I wanna see NaVi play against eastern teams, we already know how they fare in EU/NA. They are not clearly dominant there but they end up winning in the end, at least as of today.
Invites are always crap and unneeded. Hopefully Craplve will in the future remove them or reduce them to 1 or 2 max. Given how stacked China and EU are, it would be the fairest thing to do.
Edit: You are bringing up stuff two months old, which would be relevant if the scene was stable, but it isn't. VG.R beat OG (when they still weren't as brilliant as they are now) to then lose to [A] ten days ago. NaVi won LGD too and then lost to VG.R but won [A] twice lately and even won one game against OG at Dreamleague one month ago. We can't do 1+1=2 here, it doesn't work like that. You can't blame NaVi for not having the opportunity to face those teams lately.
On June 20 2016 04:41 Rebs wrote: And the moron who was talking about a "free ticket" to the finals. Well it would only be a free ticket if they were a tier 1 team, which they arent. So I dont see how thats relevant either.
Speaking about moronic statements, let's look at yours.
1. Navi is the best tier 2 - arguable. You can't clearly say they are better than Alliance or Fnatic. Unless you don't want to admit a lucky bracket where they meet the first good team in the finals.
Wow I guess everyone including Valve inferior to your powerful Dota knowledge
?
Valve reward stable rosters and results, Na'Vi got very lucky with their bracket for good enough results, therefore the invite. By luck or not, they've done what they had to. How does that prove they are better than Fnatic and Alliance? Cause Valve said so? In that case, I'll just smile at you thinking that they're the same invite-worthy caliber as OG, Liquid, Newbee for beating some mediocre tier 2 teams. You know, since you seem to equate invites with real level of skill or something and not other factors. Not like Valve has had subpar invites in other years, right?
U MAD BRO ?
What's up with this "lel u mad", "Valve proved you wrong" when I didn't show anger or frustration and nothing was proven? You get worked up for nothing.
Na'Vi getting invited does not make them better, they'll go there just like at the Manilla Major and hope for some top 10 result. Pretty much like some of the teams coming from qualifiers. We'll see how they do compared to the rest of the tier 2, since the opinion here is that they are clearly at the top of it due to a lucky bracket where they didn't play the best of that tier either. By popular opinion, Na'Vi should probably only finish behind/lose to top 4 teams, we'll see about that.
LE: To clarify, best tier 2 teams imo would be Alliance, Fnatic and Vici Reborn on top of them. Vici has a better resume than Na'Vi (won a lan, beat OG and LGD, which is more than what Na'Vi did). Fnatic has 5th-6th at the Majors twice now too. Na'Vi has the achievement of going through not even the best tier 2 teams towards a finals close to TI.
3 paragraphs out of a "u mad bro?" and im the one getting "worked up" ?
Given Dendi is kinda mimicking Miracle (so to say), are we gonna see Dendi play support Rubick? It would be really nice, right now the team seems to lack of a Rubick player.
Edit: Maybe GeneRaL mid, ArtStyle offlane and Dendi supp when it fits or even Sonneiko core.
On June 20 2016 04:41 Rebs wrote: And the moron who was talking about a "free ticket" to the finals. Well it would only be a free ticket if they were a tier 1 team, which they arent. So I dont see how thats relevant either.
Speaking about moronic statements, let's look at yours.
1. Navi is the best tier 2 - arguable. You can't clearly say they are better than Alliance or Fnatic. Unless you don't want to admit a lucky bracket where they meet the first good team in the finals.
Wow I guess everyone including Valve inferior to your powerful Dota knowledge
?
Valve reward stable rosters and results, Na'Vi got very lucky with their bracket for good enough results, therefore the invite. By luck or not, they've done what they had to. How does that prove they are better than Fnatic and Alliance? Cause Valve said so? In that case, I'll just smile at you thinking that they're the same invite-worthy caliber as OG, Liquid, Newbee for beating some mediocre tier 2 teams. You know, since you seem to equate invites with real level of skill or something and not other factors. Not like Valve has had subpar invites in other years, right?
U MAD BRO ?
What's up with this "lel u mad", "Valve proved you wrong" when I didn't show anger or frustration and nothing was proven? You get worked up for nothing.
Na'Vi getting invited does not make them better, they'll go there just like at the Manilla Major and hope for some top 10 result. Pretty much like some of the teams coming from qualifiers. We'll see how they do compared to the rest of the tier 2, since the opinion here is that they are clearly at the top of it due to a lucky bracket where they didn't play the best of that tier either. By popular opinion, Na'Vi should probably only finish behind/lose to top 4 teams, we'll see about that.
LE: To clarify, best tier 2 teams imo would be Alliance, Fnatic and Vici Reborn on top of them. Vici has a better resume than Na'Vi (won a lan, beat OG and LGD, which is more than what Na'Vi did). Fnatic has 5th-6th at the Majors twice now too. Na'Vi has the achievement of going through not even the best tier 2 teams towards a finals close to TI.
3 paragraphs out of a "u mad bro?" and im the one getting "worked up" ?
this is gold
1. Nowhere in this or my previous posts did I express anger, didn't know text length (which was really small anyway) equates certain emotions for you. Tough luck, you're celebrating something that didn't happen.
2. The last 2 out of 3 paragraphs were answers to other posts addressed to me that I didn't quote manually but would make sense if you read the topic. In other words, you don't know what you're talking about but you can keep being excited for the imaginary reaction that your "bro talk" lead to.
That's not trolling, you're genuinely clueless of the situation and try to dismiss it as a joke when you get exposed. I don't personally mind it, you just seem like a typical "le master trole :D:D" kid, but you can go celebrate saying memes on the Internet somewhere else. The topic is not about me. You don't agree with me, you can stick to saying why my opinion about Na'Vi is wrong.
On June 21 2016 02:58 trollcenter wrote: That's not trolling, you're genuinely clueless of the situation and try to dismiss it as a joke when you get exposed. I don't personally mind it, you just seem like a typical "le master trole :D:D" kid, but you can go celebrate saying memes on the Internet somewhere else. The topic is not about me. You don't agree with me, you can stick to saying why my opinion about Na'Vi is wrong.
Looks like trolling to me. I dont think you can accuse him of being clueless. There isnt much to add beyond disagreeing with you beyond what people have already suggested.
At this point you will either get people who will just agree to disagree with you and no longer entertain any more arguments because it will be the same shit repackaged in different diatribes no one care about or you will get trolled as in the case in point.
So again there is nothing to gain here for anyone.
Unless you want to explain to us in another 3 paragraphs what trolling entails, why he is NOT trolling you and act more triggered than you already are.
On June 21 2016 00:59 Racket wrote: Given Dendi is kinda mimicking Miracle (so to say), are we gonna see Dendi play support Rubick? It would be really nice, right now the team seems to lack of a Rubick player.
Edit: Maybe GeneRaL mid, ArtStyle offlane and Dendi supp when it fits or even Sonneiko core.
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