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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
June 18 2016 12:49 GMT
#3741
tbh VP played like garbage after the laning stage. A better team would probably stomp from where VP started making mistakes.
trollcenter
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
362 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-18 13:00:57
June 18 2016 12:59 GMT
#3742
Meh, I wonder why VP still get invited to tournaments tho. They didn't show anything with this roster.
HeYmaney
Profile Joined August 2015
Switzerland193 Posts
June 18 2016 13:02 GMT
#3743
On June 18 2016 21:59 trollcenter wrote:
Meh, I wonder why VP still get invited to tournaments tho. They didn't show anything with this roster.


They replaced LGD in this one. I believe they did not that bad in quali.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 18 2016 15:13 GMT
#3744
Amazing stuff
G payed godlike but the boys prevail
I can't see coL stopping them
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 18 2016 18:41 GMT
#3745
On June 18 2016 21:24 deadmau wrote:
My eyes deceive me, I see Dendi on a farmer.

He learned from the best #XboctNeverForget
deadmau
Profile Joined September 2010
960 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-18 20:29:01
June 18 2016 20:27 GMT
#3746
I think it's lovely and all, but this is a few years too late. Whether it was his captains or his own preferences, it was ridiculous for a long time now.

I get that Dendi has his own style, but regardless he should have pushed to play the strong heroes. Many of the OP heroes throughout this time weren't his specialty, but who cares just play it.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-18 21:20:46
June 18 2016 21:14 GMT
#3747
Wouldn't really matter
They always had dead weight in terms of tilting, morale corrupting xboct, waning Funnik
Then a string of inconsistent squads
Only to turn to the liability in Artstyle's crappy ingame skill after finally fixing their leadership issue through getting him back.

Now Dendi's awesome as always, playmaking mids are very much back in the meta
Artstyle got radically better and they even let him farm priority in a lot of games because they know he will deliver, that's how good he got. (lens aghs refresher blink Shadow Smaman with mmmm)
Have great playmaker in Sonneiko, solid farmers Ditya and General

And the vintage dominating Na'Vi, Tier 3 diving, aggressive yet capable of control team as we know it is back.


I'd see them as a contender and probably a favourite over any team besides the TOP3 right now, it'd be shocking if they didn't get a direct invite to TI6
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
deadmau
Profile Joined September 2010
960 Posts
June 18 2016 21:28 GMT
#3748
True, he did have deadweight so it might not have mattered much, but if you REALLY consider those patches, yes it would make a difference. But you make the point that playmaking mids are back in the meta, and that's true so it doesn't matter so much that he plays farmers, but again he shoulda started long ago.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
June 18 2016 21:44 GMT
#3749
But the biggest thing is that general is also a playmaker, and dendi is playing more farm oriented mids when navi needs.

His biggest fault was not adapting to the second carry in the mid role, but he is now.
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-18 22:24:09
June 18 2016 22:23 GMT
#3750
On June 19 2016 06:44 Faruko wrote:
But the biggest thing is that general is also a playmaker, and dendi is playing more farm oriented mids when navi needs.

His biggest fault was not adapting to the second carry in the mid role, but he is now.

Even when Dendi plays farmers like Invoker or Tinker the team sacks his farm quite a bit, they don't play it through him like Secret does. You see General and Artstyle with items you wouldn't expect them to have all the time, taking pressure off Dendi even when he is on farming mids.

And the team doesn't suffer at all, Artstyle and General are awesome at finding farm and using it well, the farm distribution gets extremely close - I think they are onto something here, and it might be a strong alternative to the tri core lineups we're seeing the top teams do
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
June 19 2016 02:06 GMT
#3751
On June 19 2016 07:23 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 06:44 Faruko wrote:
But the biggest thing is that general is also a playmaker, and dendi is playing more farm oriented mids when navi needs.

His biggest fault was not adapting to the second carry in the mid role, but he is now.

Even when Dendi plays farmers like Invoker or Tinker the team sacks his farm quite a bit, they don't play it through him like Secret does. You see General and Artstyle with items you wouldn't expect them to have all the time, taking pressure off Dendi even when he is on farming mids.

And the team doesn't suffer at all, Artstyle and General are awesome at finding farm and using it well, the farm distribution gets extremely close - I think they are onto something here, and it might be a strong alternative to the tri core lineups we're seeing the top teams do


From what I've seen, what most of the top teams are doing is have two scaling cores, one initiation core, and one farming/scaling support and one hard support.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
June 19 2016 02:36 GMT
#3752
Man i couldnt stay up for the Navi vs coL game but game 2 was such a stomp. It's so much fun to see Sand King back in action.

And alao Cap called Sonneiko hit and miss? Like seriously? He's the most consistent CIS player in the past year.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
June 19 2016 03:27 GMT
#3753
I have to go to bed, but I want to wake up to see Navi in the Grand Finals. Let's do it boys!
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
June 19 2016 14:02 GMT
#3754
28-0 if you exclude the suicide. oh dondo.. <3
C r u m b l i n g
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
June 19 2016 14:40 GMT
#3755
Miracle mid juggernaut, Dendi mid juggernaut, Miracle mid Timbersaw, Dendi mid Timbersaw. To beat OG, Navi must become OG.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
trollcenter
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
362 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-19 15:03:36
June 19 2016 15:02 GMT
#3756
On June 19 2016 23:40 the bear jew wrote:
Miracle mid juggernaut, Dendi mid juggernaut, Miracle mid Timbersaw, Dendi mid Timbersaw. To beat OG, Navi must become OG.


Na'Vi need to beat something more than these tier 1.5 at best teams. Looks like they got a free ticket to a LAN finals with this tournament, props to them at least for not choking I guess.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
June 19 2016 15:08 GMT
#3757
On June 20 2016 00:02 trollcenter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 23:40 the bear jew wrote:
Miracle mid juggernaut, Dendi mid juggernaut, Miracle mid Timbersaw, Dendi mid Timbersaw. To beat OG, Navi must become OG.


Na'Vi need to beat something more than these tier 1.5 at best teams. Looks like they got a free ticket to a LAN finals with this tournament, props to them at least for not choking I guess.


Well, considering the only teams they are clearly inferior to right now are Liquid, Newbee, MVP and OG I dont think its such a sour deal. But yes that is the next step.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 19 2016 16:09 GMT
#3758
On June 20 2016 00:02 trollcenter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 23:40 the bear jew wrote:
Miracle mid juggernaut, Dendi mid juggernaut, Miracle mid Timbersaw, Dendi mid Timbersaw. To beat OG, Navi must become OG.


Na'Vi need to beat something more than these tier 1.5 at best teams. Looks like they got a free ticket to a LAN finals with this tournament, props to them at least for not choking I guess.

I see what you did there
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 19 2016 16:11 GMT
#3759
Doubt you can call MVP better now
Basically tier 1.5=TOP4 world

And calling that a free ticket to LAN Finals with 16 teams is well... Trollcenter ish
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
trollcenter
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
362 Posts
June 19 2016 16:55 GMT
#3760
Col, VP and Vega are not Top 4 world and I can't see any argument for them being tier 1 other than the fact that they get to Lans. Tier 1.5 seems a fair description. You can't put them in the same category as tournament winners. Na'Vi are around Alliance's level atm (who they barely beat when they last played), which is not bad, but way behind teams in the top 4 and not that much in front of other tier 1.5 teams.
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