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On February 22 2016 21:06 Gaial wrote:
No one is getting kicked barring a sub top 8 finish at TI.
This is the sentiment people consistently have about teams that do well, yet we have seen EG for example change players twice in a bit over a year. Neither of those changes was easily predicted from the outside.
That said I would assume that them already going through issues before and having Arteezy&Zai leave and then come back makes them less likely to have a sudden change now. I highly doubt EG will do anything for performance reasons, but you never really know what's happening inside teams.
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Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
Like in any sport if you want to be the best consistently you have to add in talent and make hard decisions. Sports team who just won said league in its sport does not stand around and say i have the best "x" amount of players in this sport. They will go invest and bring in more players to help keep the competition up.
Now this is alot harder to do in Dota 2 due to its a straight up 5 person game and no one really seems to use subs properly. But what is there to say that Zai stays sub for EG after TI and EG could try "resting" (? does that even work in this game lol) Suma1l and playing Zai and asking Fear/Rtz to mid to see how that works for a tourney, who knows. But you do have to make these decisions even when you are at the top.
I mean is anyone still thinking that kicking Aui for Rtz is a bad decision? I do not think so.
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On February 22 2016 21:24 spudde123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2016 21:06 Gaial wrote:
No one is getting kicked barring a sub top 8 finish at TI.
This is the sentiment people consistently have about teams that do well, yet we have seen EG for example change players twice in a bit over a year. Neither of those changes was easily predicted from the outside. That said I would assume that them already going through issues before and having Arteezy&Zai leave and then come back makes them less likely to have a sudden change now. I highly doubt EG will do anything for performance reasons, but you never really know what's happening inside teams.
I would argue the change of mason was extremely predictable. He was a sub for Fear, and Fear is amazing. I always saw it as inevitable that Fear would be back after TI4.
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On February 23 2016 19:12 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2016 21:24 spudde123 wrote:On February 22 2016 21:06 Gaial wrote:
No one is getting kicked barring a sub top 8 finish at TI.
This is the sentiment people consistently have about teams that do well, yet we have seen EG for example change players twice in a bit over a year. Neither of those changes was easily predicted from the outside. That said I would assume that them already going through issues before and having Arteezy&Zai leave and then come back makes them less likely to have a sudden change now. I highly doubt EG will do anything for performance reasons, but you never really know what's happening inside teams. I would argue the change of mason was extremely predictable. He was a sub for Fear, and Fear is amazing. I always saw it as inevitable that Fear would be back after TI4.
Well everybody knew except mason that he was just a sub. There's also the fact that they asked iceiceice, s4 , EE and notail to leave their team and play as their 1 position before TI4 even when mason was there.
Yeah rtz+zai leaving for aui+suma1l and also kicking aui for rtz was pretty surprising.
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On February 23 2016 19:12 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2016 21:24 spudde123 wrote:On February 22 2016 21:06 Gaial wrote:
No one is getting kicked barring a sub top 8 finish at TI.
This is the sentiment people consistently have about teams that do well, yet we have seen EG for example change players twice in a bit over a year. Neither of those changes was easily predicted from the outside. That said I would assume that them already going through issues before and having Arteezy&Zai leave and then come back makes them less likely to have a sudden change now. I highly doubt EG will do anything for performance reasons, but you never really know what's happening inside teams. I would argue the change of mason was extremely predictable. He was a sub for Fear, and Fear is amazing. I always saw it as inevitable that Fear would be back after TI4.
I said two changes in a bit over a year, which includes the Aui -> Arteezy change and Arteezy & Zai leaving -> Sumail & Aui change. The Mason -> Fear switch was before that and I agree it was predictable. It's possible EG has learnt from previous lineups and are less likely to point fingers or butt heads this time around, but anyway they haven't been any more stable with their lineup than their competitors. If EG doesn't perform up to their standards then EG is just as likely to do changes as anyone as far as I can tell. That said this far their results hardly give cause for changes, but comments like "noone is getting kicked barring a sub top8 finish at TI" seem a bit too optimistic.
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On February 23 2016 20:04 spudde123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 19:12 lolnoty wrote:On February 22 2016 21:24 spudde123 wrote:On February 22 2016 21:06 Gaial wrote:
No one is getting kicked barring a sub top 8 finish at TI.
This is the sentiment people consistently have about teams that do well, yet we have seen EG for example change players twice in a bit over a year. Neither of those changes was easily predicted from the outside. That said I would assume that them already going through issues before and having Arteezy&Zai leave and then come back makes them less likely to have a sudden change now. I highly doubt EG will do anything for performance reasons, but you never really know what's happening inside teams. I would argue the change of mason was extremely predictable. He was a sub for Fear, and Fear is amazing. I always saw it as inevitable that Fear would be back after TI4. I said two changes in a bit over a year, which includes the Aui -> Arteezy change and Arteezy & Zai leaving -> Sumail & Aui change. The Mason -> Fear switch was before that and I agree it was predictable. It's possible EG has learnt from previous lineups and are less likely to point fingers or butt heads this time around, but anyway they haven't been any more stable with their lineup than their competitors. If EG doesn't perform up to their standards then EG is just as likely to do changes as anyone as far as I can tell. That said this far their results hardly give cause for changes, but comments like "noone is getting kicked barring a sub top8 finish at TI" seem a bit too optimistic.
I figured you meant mason because I read EG changing players as EG making changes consciously, and they didn't really choose for rtz/zai to leave.
I don't think anything will change either. I think people's understanding of how tournaments play out is divorced from reality. If TI5 was played 100 times I wouldn't be surprised if EG only came 1st in ~20% of those. Unless EG starts going on a tear, this year is even more competitive, so them getting sub top 8 TI6 wouldn't surprise me. If they did it might not even mean their lineup is poor, just that tournaments are rough.
I think any roster changes would come from people voluntarily leaving like Fear, Universe (his interview talking about moving to the business side of esports might be seen in years to come), or Sumail having real life considerations like Zai did. There's always the chance internal communication leads to a kick, but EG seems to have improved a lot in regards to dealing with internal issues since 2014.
edit: if universe did leave, NA is weird in that there's actually a lot of good offlaners. EG.Moo or something.
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Although I feel noone should really be too surprised if a team ends up making changes every once in a while, I think for the current EG team it's sort of hard to see what that could possibly be. They don't have a clear competitor in their own region so the likelihood of a guy leaving on his own accord goes down, and Arteezy already tried playing with some of the top European players and came back. I don't think there are any pubstars or players on lesser teams in NA who would be a clear upgrade on any of the positions either.
So in that sense I agree that the most likely thing that would cause a future change is someone stopping playing after TI. But players can get emotional, it depends a lot on how things go in the future.
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Unless something drastic happends, the only changer inside the next year is zai stepping in for Fear...
If Zai decides to play again, im pretty sure EG makes room for him, and Fear would most likely go over to a coaching role.
I love fear, and think he is great, but he Zai is the future, i doubt they give up on that talent. And Fear being a coach, would only be a good thing.
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Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
Oh yeah i forgot about coaching, yeh Fear moves to coach would be awesome. Charlie and Fear coaching, but again Fear might think he has more to give on the playing field and might want to just leave. Who knows.
Oh well i updated liquipedia with times for the major main event. Everyone ready for some all nighters!!
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I dont think Charlie has any coaching responsibility in EG, does he?
And I am actually 90% sure Fear would rather be a coach in EG then be a player for any other team.
But ofc, its just my own toughts, I might be too romantic about the whole "Fear bleeding blue, loving EG" thingy :p
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Predictions for EG groupstage?
I think they will 2-0 coL and will 2-1 Liquid (Liquid > VP)
Edit:
I'm hoping to see the Fear Earth Spirit, Sumai1l Storm Spirit, and Arteezy Ember Spirit in a game.
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On February 24 2016 00:01 Atoissen wrote:
I dont think Charlie has any coaching responsibility in EG, does he?
And I am actually 90% sure Fear would rather be a coach in EG then be a player for any other team.
But ofc, its just my own toughts, I might be too romantic about the whole "Fear bleeding blue, loving EG" thingy :p
Fear is a pretty big competitor and back when he was injured he didn't seem to like the job of coach that much.
That plus the fact that the rest of EG doesn't seem to like the idea of a coach too much apart from having someone watch games of other teams (the stuff Bulba does now) makes me think that if Fear is replaced he would most likely just retire (or at best be a sub).
On the other hand, ppd has said countless times that Fear was a incredibly important part of the team, if only for the stability he brings. I doubt he would get kicked barring really terrible results.
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On February 24 2016 00:01 Atoissen wrote:
I dont think Charlie has any coaching responsibility in EG, does he?
And I am actually 90% sure Fear would rather be a coach in EG then be a player for any other team.
But ofc, its just my own toughts, I might be too romantic about the whole "Fear bleeding blue, loving EG" thingy :p
Hmm so far every caster and coach would rather want to play than coach or cast. So i doubt it
Charlie doesn't coach, he doesn't even talk about dotes with eg too often(according to his ask.fm). Though he play dotes i highly doubt he's even close to pro level.
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Charlie is their logistics guy. He helps them at events and handles a lot of the normal stuff, like finding them places to eat and hotels. I'm sure he offers some level of advice and manages them a bit, but not in game.
And I can't see Fear leaving right now. He is playing totally fine. Dota fans underrate stability and a broad hero pool.
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Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
On February 24 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote:
Charlie is their logistics guy. He helps them at events and handles a lot of the normal stuff, like finding them places to eat and hotels. I'm sure he offers some level of advice and manages them a bit, but not in game.
And I can't see Fear leaving right now. He is playing totally fine. Dota fans underrate stability and a broad hero pool.
I thought that was the part of that big 7ft guy (sorry i dont know his name  )
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On February 24 2016 01:02 Gaial wrote:
Predictions for EG groupstage?
I think they will 2-0 coL and will 2-1 Liquid (Liquid > VP)
Edit:
I'm hoping to see the Fear Earth Spirit, Sumai1l Storm Spirit, and Arteezy Ember Spirit in a game.
IF only Team Spirit ran this strategy 
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On February 24 2016 01:02 Gaial wrote:
Predictions for EG groupstage?
I think they will 2-0 coL and will 2-1 Liquid (Liquid > VP)
Edit:
I'm hoping to see the Fear Earth Spirit, Sumai1l Storm Spirit, and Arteezy Ember Spirit in a game.
If this happens I will immediately switch to an EG flair.
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ALRIGHT WHO'S HYPED?
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On February 25 2016 14:53 StatikKhaos wrote:ALRIGHT WHO'S HYPED?
I'm not from the US but i am definitely hyped to see EG perform. i want to see a fear pudge again and i am still waiting for the arteezy carry dazzle (its been almost 2 years since he has pulled it out). i also want to see who will play chen and if they will integrate wisp or rubick into their drafts.
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From what I've seen from PPD's stream, he will still be playing the Chen, but I haven't seen Fear play so much outside of matches.
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