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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
February 22 2016 12:24 GMT
#1461
On February 22 2016 21:06 Gaial wrote:
No one is getting kicked barring a sub top 8 finish at TI.


This is the sentiment people consistently have about teams that do well, yet we have seen EG for example change players twice in a bit over a year. Neither of those changes was easily predicted from the outside.

That said I would assume that them already going through issues before and having Arteezy&Zai leave and then come back makes them less likely to have a sudden change now. I highly doubt EG will do anything for performance reasons, but you never really know what's happening inside teams.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 22 2016 16:47 GMT
#1462
Like in any sport if you want to be the best consistently you have to add in talent and make hard decisions. Sports team who just won said league in its sport does not stand around and say i have the best "x" amount of players in this sport. They will go invest and bring in more players to help keep the competition up.

Now this is alot harder to do in Dota 2 due to its a straight up 5 person game and no one really seems to use subs properly. But what is there to say that Zai stays sub for EG after TI and EG could try "resting" (? does that even work in this game lol) Suma1l and playing Zai and asking Fear/Rtz to mid to see how that works for a tourney, who knows. But you do have to make these decisions even when you are at the top.

I mean is anyone still thinking that kicking Aui for Rtz is a bad decision? I do not think so.
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lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
February 23 2016 10:12 GMT
#1463
On February 22 2016 21:24 spudde123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2016 21:06 Gaial wrote:
No one is getting kicked barring a sub top 8 finish at TI.


This is the sentiment people consistently have about teams that do well, yet we have seen EG for example change players twice in a bit over a year. Neither of those changes was easily predicted from the outside.

That said I would assume that them already going through issues before and having Arteezy&Zai leave and then come back makes them less likely to have a sudden change now. I highly doubt EG will do anything for performance reasons, but you never really know what's happening inside teams.

I would argue the change of mason was extremely predictable. He was a sub for Fear, and Fear is amazing. I always saw it as inevitable that Fear would be back after TI4.
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44230 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-23 11:05:47
February 23 2016 10:16 GMT
#1464
On February 23 2016 19:12 lolnoty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2016 21:24 spudde123 wrote:
On February 22 2016 21:06 Gaial wrote:
No one is getting kicked barring a sub top 8 finish at TI.


This is the sentiment people consistently have about teams that do well, yet we have seen EG for example change players twice in a bit over a year. Neither of those changes was easily predicted from the outside.

That said I would assume that them already going through issues before and having Arteezy&Zai leave and then come back makes them less likely to have a sudden change now. I highly doubt EG will do anything for performance reasons, but you never really know what's happening inside teams.

I would argue the change of mason was extremely predictable. He was a sub for Fear, and Fear is amazing. I always saw it as inevitable that Fear would be back after TI4.


Well everybody knew except mason that he was just a sub. There's also the fact that they asked iceiceice, s4 , EE and notail to leave their team and play as their 1 position before TI4 even when mason was there.

Yeah rtz+zai leaving for aui+suma1l and also kicking aui for rtz was pretty surprising.
this is a quote
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-23 11:12:32
February 23 2016 11:04 GMT
#1465
On February 23 2016 19:12 lolnoty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2016 21:24 spudde123 wrote:
On February 22 2016 21:06 Gaial wrote:
No one is getting kicked barring a sub top 8 finish at TI.


This is the sentiment people consistently have about teams that do well, yet we have seen EG for example change players twice in a bit over a year. Neither of those changes was easily predicted from the outside.

That said I would assume that them already going through issues before and having Arteezy&Zai leave and then come back makes them less likely to have a sudden change now. I highly doubt EG will do anything for performance reasons, but you never really know what's happening inside teams.

I would argue the change of mason was extremely predictable. He was a sub for Fear, and Fear is amazing. I always saw it as inevitable that Fear would be back after TI4.


I said two changes in a bit over a year, which includes the Aui -> Arteezy change and Arteezy & Zai leaving -> Sumail & Aui change. The Mason -> Fear switch was before that and I agree it was predictable. It's possible EG has learnt from previous lineups and are less likely to point fingers or butt heads this time around, but anyway they haven't been any more stable with their lineup than their competitors. If EG doesn't perform up to their standards then EG is just as likely to do changes as anyone as far as I can tell. That said this far their results hardly give cause for changes, but comments like "noone is getting kicked barring a sub top8 finish at TI" seem a bit too optimistic.
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-23 11:53:45
February 23 2016 11:50 GMT
#1466
On February 23 2016 20:04 spudde123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2016 19:12 lolnoty wrote:
On February 22 2016 21:24 spudde123 wrote:
On February 22 2016 21:06 Gaial wrote:
No one is getting kicked barring a sub top 8 finish at TI.


This is the sentiment people consistently have about teams that do well, yet we have seen EG for example change players twice in a bit over a year. Neither of those changes was easily predicted from the outside.

That said I would assume that them already going through issues before and having Arteezy&Zai leave and then come back makes them less likely to have a sudden change now. I highly doubt EG will do anything for performance reasons, but you never really know what's happening inside teams.

I would argue the change of mason was extremely predictable. He was a sub for Fear, and Fear is amazing. I always saw it as inevitable that Fear would be back after TI4.


I said two changes in a bit over a year, which includes the Aui -> Arteezy change and Arteezy & Zai leaving -> Sumail & Aui change. The Mason -> Fear switch was before that and I agree it was predictable. It's possible EG has learnt from previous lineups and are less likely to point fingers or butt heads this time around, but anyway they haven't been any more stable with their lineup than their competitors. If EG doesn't perform up to their standards then EG is just as likely to do changes as anyone as far as I can tell. That said this far their results hardly give cause for changes, but comments like "noone is getting kicked barring a sub top8 finish at TI" seem a bit too optimistic.

I figured you meant mason because I read EG changing players as EG making changes consciously, and they didn't really choose for rtz/zai to leave.

I don't think anything will change either. I think people's understanding of how tournaments play out is divorced from reality. If TI5 was played 100 times I wouldn't be surprised if EG only came 1st in ~20% of those. Unless EG starts going on a tear, this year is even more competitive, so them getting sub top 8 TI6 wouldn't surprise me. If they did it might not even mean their lineup is poor, just that tournaments are rough.

I think any roster changes would come from people voluntarily leaving like Fear, Universe (his interview talking about moving to the business side of esports might be seen in years to come), or Sumail having real life considerations like Zai did. There's always the chance internal communication leads to a kick, but EG seems to have improved a lot in regards to dealing with internal issues since 2014.

edit: if universe did leave, NA is weird in that there's actually a lot of good offlaners. EG.Moo or something.
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
February 23 2016 12:10 GMT
#1467
Although I feel noone should really be too surprised if a team ends up making changes every once in a while, I think for the current EG team it's sort of hard to see what that could possibly be. They don't have a clear competitor in their own region so the likelihood of a guy leaving on his own accord goes down, and Arteezy already tried playing with some of the top European players and came back. I don't think there are any pubstars or players on lesser teams in NA who would be a clear upgrade on any of the positions either.

So in that sense I agree that the most likely thing that would cause a future change is someone stopping playing after TI. But players can get emotional, it depends a lot on how things go in the future.
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
February 23 2016 12:37 GMT
#1468
Unless something drastic happends, the only changer inside the next year is zai stepping in for Fear...
If Zai decides to play again, im pretty sure EG makes room for him, and Fear would most likely go over to a coaching role.
I love fear, and think he is great, but he Zai is the future, i doubt they give up on that talent. And Fear being a coach, would only be a good thing.
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 23 2016 14:15 GMT
#1469
Oh yeah i forgot about coaching, yeh Fear moves to coach would be awesome. Charlie and Fear coaching, but again Fear might think he has more to give on the playing field and might want to just leave. Who knows.

Oh well i updated liquipedia with times for the major main event. Everyone ready for some all nighters!!
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Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
February 23 2016 15:01 GMT
#1470
I dont think Charlie has any coaching responsibility in EG, does he?
And I am actually 90% sure Fear would rather be a coach in EG then be a player for any other team.
But ofc, its just my own toughts, I might be too romantic about the whole "Fear bleeding blue, loving EG" thingy :p
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-23 16:12:49
February 23 2016 16:02 GMT
#1471
Predictions for EG groupstage?

I think they will 2-0 coL and will 2-1 Liquid (Liquid > VP)

Edit:
I'm hoping to see the Fear Earth Spirit, Sumai1l Storm Spirit, and Arteezy Ember Spirit in a game.
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-23 17:08:55
February 23 2016 17:08 GMT
#1472
On February 24 2016 00:01 Atoissen wrote:
I dont think Charlie has any coaching responsibility in EG, does he?
And I am actually 90% sure Fear would rather be a coach in EG then be a player for any other team.
But ofc, its just my own toughts, I might be too romantic about the whole "Fear bleeding blue, loving EG" thingy :p

Fear is a pretty big competitor and back when he was injured he didn't seem to like the job of coach that much.
That plus the fact that the rest of EG doesn't seem to like the idea of a coach too much apart from having someone watch games of other teams (the stuff Bulba does now) makes me think that if Fear is replaced he would most likely just retire (or at best be a sub).
On the other hand, ppd has said countless times that Fear was a incredibly important part of the team, if only for the stability he brings. I doubt he would get kicked barring really terrible results.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44230 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-24 06:12:22
February 23 2016 17:34 GMT
#1473
On February 24 2016 00:01 Atoissen wrote:
I dont think Charlie has any coaching responsibility in EG, does he?
And I am actually 90% sure Fear would rather be a coach in EG then be a player for any other team.
But ofc, its just my own toughts, I might be too romantic about the whole "Fear bleeding blue, loving EG" thingy :p

Hmm so far every caster and coach would rather want to play than coach or cast. So i doubt it

Charlie doesn't coach, he doesn't even talk about dotes with eg too often(according to his ask.fm). Though he play dotes i highly doubt he's even close to pro level.
this is a quote
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 23 2016 18:37 GMT
#1474
Charlie is their logistics guy. He helps them at events and handles a lot of the normal stuff, like finding them places to eat and hotels. I'm sure he offers some level of advice and manages them a bit, but not in game.

And I can't see Fear leaving right now. He is playing totally fine. Dota fans underrate stability and a broad hero pool.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 23 2016 22:07 GMT
#1475
On February 24 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote:
Charlie is their logistics guy. He helps them at events and handles a lot of the normal stuff, like finding them places to eat and hotels. I'm sure he offers some level of advice and manages them a bit, but not in game.

And I can't see Fear leaving right now. He is playing totally fine. Dota fans underrate stability and a broad hero pool.

I thought that was the part of that big 7ft guy (sorry i dont know his name )
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yookstah
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia655 Posts
February 24 2016 03:42 GMT
#1476
On February 24 2016 01:02 Gaial wrote:
Predictions for EG groupstage?

I think they will 2-0 coL and will 2-1 Liquid (Liquid > VP)

Edit:
I'm hoping to see the Fear Earth Spirit, Sumai1l Storm Spirit, and Arteezy Ember Spirit in a game.


IF only Team Spirit ran this strategy
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Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
February 24 2016 11:48 GMT
#1477
On February 24 2016 01:02 Gaial wrote:
Predictions for EG groupstage?

I think they will 2-0 coL and will 2-1 Liquid (Liquid > VP)

Edit:
I'm hoping to see the Fear Earth Spirit, Sumai1l Storm Spirit, and Arteezy Ember Spirit in a game.

If this happens I will immediately switch to an EG flair.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
StatikKhaos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States214 Posts
February 25 2016 05:53 GMT
#1478
[image loading]

ALRIGHT WHO'S HYPED?
Those Bitches
scorpkx
Profile Joined December 2015
Australia19 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-25 07:21:28
February 25 2016 07:20 GMT
#1479
On February 25 2016 14:53 StatikKhaos wrote:
[image loading]

ALRIGHT WHO'S HYPED?


I'm not from the US but i am definitely hyped to see EG perform. i want to see a fear pudge again and i am still waiting for the arteezy carry dazzle (its been almost 2 years since he has pulled it out). i also want to see who will play chen and if they will integrate wisp or rubick into their drafts.
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
February 27 2016 15:51 GMT
#1480
From what I've seen from PPD's stream, he will still be playing the Chen, but I haven't seen Fear play so much outside of matches.
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