EPTEvil Geniuses Discussion - Page 76
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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scorpkx
Australia19 Posts
On March 01 2016 06:24 emperorchampion wrote: In the game vs COL it's also worth noting that beast master is also a deny pick vs swindle. Actually, EG may value it even higher than 2 picks out of 5 games, since COL grabbed BM in games 2/3 I believe. i totally agree, i think EG wanted to experiment a little more with the BM in the group stages but coL denied it from them. i think the BM+NP combo is actually really strong if NP goes a right-click build. the push and global offensive they provide together is really good. the greediness of it as well really suits EG's style. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51479 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
The main reason being that it opens up a whole lot more of what EG wants to do, while not limiting as many of the hero options. (See what happened at MDL when Sumail was on Puck or Batrider.) | ||
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Gaial
United States313 Posts
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goody153
44099 Posts
It also helps that fnatic didn't managed to actually help viper from dying over and over again. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51479 Posts
Also tomorrow we get a ppd vs puppey but with puppey 30 second picks haha. Peter going to enjoy this i feel. | ||
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Gaial
United States313 Posts
On March 04 2016 00:05 goody153 wrote: You don't really need farm with nyx if you are killing heroes and there's even the bounty hunter track added. Though it's not really like lesh or storm where you can farm and do stuff but the hero still functions the way suma1l excels which is play making+murdering people. It also helps that fnatic didn't managed to actually help viper from dying over and over again. The point I was making is that is not the old Suma1l's style. Lesh and Storm are much better at playmaking at 30-40+ minutes than Nyx. On March 04 2016 00:19 Pandemona wrote: Also tomorrow we get a ppd vs puppey but with puppey 30 second picks haha. Peter going to enjoy this i feel. Isn't this only for game 1 ? | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
Pretty dominant showing from EG today, but against arguably the worst team in the upper-bracket -- hoping for some good games vs secrekt! | ||
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ChickenDieAlive
699 Posts
On March 04 2016 03:54 hariooo wrote: EG will have no excuse if they lose game 1. Lose game 1, win game 2-3. Sound good to me. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On March 04 2016 08:24 emperorchampion wrote: I don't think anyone has been saying sumail is in a slump. But yeah, he's been ridiculously flexible over the last couple months playing every lane, and in the major so far has played a different hero every game! Pretty dominant showing from EG today, but against arguably the worst team in the upper-bracket -- hoping for some good games vs secrekt! Considering the result of the lower bracket, I think LGD has claim to the title of "worst upper bracket" team. And Sumail hasn't been in a slump. What people have taken a long time to realize is that, aside from Invoker, the Mid Lane has really changed in 6.86. Or changed back, depending on your view. You've seen a lot more 3 position Mid heroes compared to 1/2 position mids. I wonder if EG will pull out the Arteezy Lycan in game 1, going for a hyper-push line up, so Puppey doesn't have a chance to formulate much of a response during the draft. Considering how rare Draft Penalties are at the top-end competition, I wonder if they've gamed out how to handle them before. | ||
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yookstah
Australia655 Posts
Lycan is OKAY in that regard, though, but I'd prefer something else in this case - maybe jugg, gyro etc. | ||
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scorpkx
Australia19 Posts
On March 04 2016 03:54 hariooo wrote: EG will have no excuse if they lose game 1. Win or loose EG never have excuses. if they win they win out of their own merit. if they loose they loose because their opponent was better then them on that particular day. at the level of EG and Secret outdrafts mean very little. both these teams have shown that they can go beyond their drafts and make them work through sheer skill. | ||
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bumwithagun
United States153 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
Aka, both Sumail and Arteezy seems to want lots of farm, but isn't enough space, Sumail has been left with the non scaling heroes for the most part, and Arteezy the true carry but it leaves them 4 protect 1 and they run out of damage. Where is the Sumail Invoker, Lina still a decent hero, Qop, something that can scale and make plays. I feel like EG has been winning either fast games around 30 minutes before the lack of damage becomes apparent, or they just lose late as they get out carried. Fear played overall really amazing this tournament on Mirana/Earth Spirit, everything pretty much. | ||
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goody153
44099 Posts
holy shit stop picking DS and sven(most of the time the 2nd pick sven) first wth is with that. | ||
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whattheHEKman
United States23 Posts
That being said, I agree Artour and Sumail are clashing in the farm department, but I personally think it is because Sumail can't play any of the current mid heroes well. This isn't the same dominating Sumail we have seen in the past. His invoker is lackluster for the most part, ember has fallen out of the mid meta, TA apparently isn't worth picking, storm is obviously garbage, lina and qop are decent but ppd apparently thinks they're more trash tier than pugna (lol game 3 vs secret). Disappointing end to the major for EG considering we barely picked the Void/mirana/clinkz combo that worked so well in previous games, the bounty/nature's prophet combo etc etc. And last picking naga in a series decider match with a jungler is just... ppd pls. | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
Fear was a monster though. | ||
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Voronoff
United States302 Posts
The second game was massively changed by the cour snipe. EG never got a chance to recover from that, it's hard to say how the draft would've played out otherwise. Sven vs. NP is obviously a poor matchup that they have to counter with a changed items build or something if this meta continues. Or value NP/LD higher. Sumail played fine in the series when given a chance to play - his Nyx did very well G1. | ||
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