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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
Good play from us yesterday, loving the Lion and Natures as first pick, Unigod played great, Fear played great and RTZ played well. Add in PPD getting a 15 minute blink dagger and Suma1l playing a multiple style mid hero pool and it was a great start for us :D Fnatic next up on Thursday, Mar 03 5:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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Gaial
United States313 Posts
Their group play was solid, but no one really punished their greedy jungle heroes. We could potentially see EG down a game because an opposing team heavily punishes their jungle farmer. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
vs OG/Secret could be a real test if EG win but EG dismantled OG in China last month vs OG "best strat"? so im happy there. I think EG have alot to give after seeing day 1 :D But of course this is pure optimism xd | ||
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Danzo
2820 Posts
On February 29 2016 04:36 Pandemona wrote: Whilst i agree that they might get stopped doing that, that is first time we have seen the Lion Natures tactic from EG in which they push a jungler from that and make sure PPD gets his blink asap. However it might force straight up bans vs it which then free's up (imo their best strat) tidehunter enigma line ups in which teams really will struggle with EG. vs OG/Secret could be a real test if EG win but EG dismantled OG in China last month vs OG "best strat"? so im happy there. I think EG have alot to give after seeing day 1 :D But of course this is pure optimism xd EG has a tendency to always run the same type of strats if they're on a winning spree. I think it's cool they're leaning towards the greedy pos4 in this tournament as well. I remember hearing PPD saying that defensive trilanes are terrible in this patch since everyone else on the enemy team are just going to outfarm you. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
People say they can punish the greedy jungler, but is it really that greedy when enigma is level 6 5 minutes into the game? That's not a lot of time commitment, and a huge advantage. They ban bounty so that is out and are favoring Clinkz, a hero that can rotate, hard to gank and good laner/good carry. Will be interesting to see how teams try to counter that if they don't just ban one/pick for themselves one of the two. | ||
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Gaial
United States313 Posts
Even though it becomes a 4th core, the way it's utilized and built left me to feel a little underwhelmed given all the farm it had. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On February 29 2016 06:17 Gaial wrote: How do you all feel about the jungling beastmaster? Even though it becomes a 4th core, the way it's utilized and built left me to feel a little underwhelmed given all the farm it had. he can threatens all enemy splitpush because he can solo pickoff a ton of classic split pushers, he controls vision well, can be a frontliner, helps with pushing, helps with rosh, and his damage in teamfights is better than most 4's. He's like the not-that-old zeus/ns 4 that were pirmarily picked up for vision control but with a slew of other, faster benefits. Bonus points for other gimmicks like BoT's on his hawk/boar for more team global presence. BM has always offered a ton of utility across a wide area of the game, but on the offlane/mid it's hard to justify giving him the lane. Iron Talon makes him farm really fast and all you give up is ~6 minutes of support. EG is good at picking strong lanes that can afford a greedy 4, and even if that goes badly, they're great at turning the game around. BM also facilitates turning the game around with vision giving more chances for a strong engagement and great initiation (for a 4). | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
in pubs you might get more visible gains because they wouldn't know to play differently when there's a BM somewhere that can kill anyone solo, but his contribution in pro games will be seen in long-term constriction that EG loves to apply | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Whether you should run it in the jungle depends on what other stuff you want to pick. In both of the games Fear played it Universe was on NP, which is a hero that 1) can join in on early skirmishes so a jungler isn't necessarily that detrimental and 2) can join for the very early pushes that BM wants to get going when he comes out for his first gank. | ||
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yookstah
Australia655 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On February 29 2016 11:11 yookstah wrote: Sumail has played Rexxar in the past once in a match I believe. I know he has. I believe when they picked it the commentator's mentioned he liked the hero and was a favorite. If I remember right. | ||
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yookstah
Australia655 Posts
On February 29 2016 12:35 the bear jew wrote: I know he has. I believe when they picked it the commentator's mentioned he liked the hero and was a favorite. If I remember right. I was responding to the post above  Perhaps I should have quoted it.And, yes, he has also pubbed on it a lot, so I'd assume he likes the hero. | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On February 29 2016 06:17 Gaial wrote: How do you all feel about the jungling beastmaster? Even though it becomes a 4th core, the way it's utilized and built left me to feel a little underwhelmed given all the farm it had. Dude the BM strat is putting all the top teams on high alert better be sure , the hero provides a TON of utility without giving him a core lane , hard to kill 4 , hard stun , farms well , VISION , there is a reason he is picked as a core (albeit bit less now days) , he gets the same/better farm at the jungle. I actually really love this opener for EG , if the other team thinks its a jungle BM and goes greedy to punish EG greed you can flip the table into a push strat and punish their greed even more. props for EG for this innovation. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
I didn't see the games, but if I look at the drafts correctly, EG used BM only twice; one in the loss(!) against col and one against VP. And now you are taking about new "jungle-meta" and stuff? wtf? Yeah, everything sounds quite reasonable, but I think you put to much effort in this... | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
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Gaial
United States313 Posts
On February 29 2016 17:37 Geisterkarle wrote: Just for clarification: I didn't see the games, but if I look at the drafts correctly, EG used BM only twice; one in the loss(!) against col and one against VP. And now you are taking about new "jungle-meta" and stuff? wtf? Yeah, everything sounds quite reasonable, but I think you put to much effort in this... They went to it twice out of 5 games. The reason I asked is because I felt opposing teams played well around it, and I didn't feel that Fear particularly managed to micro the hawk well enough to get vision. Also, for being within 10% of the networth of Sumail/Arteezy/Universe I didn't feel like the hero did that much in teamfights. I feel like [A] get more out of the Beastmaster pick than EG is what I'm getting at. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
Whilst in the Alliance games Bulldog makes it within the same 10% networth region off of loda and s4 but thats it, they then have a pos 4 and 5 that aren't no where near a natures prophet like in the EG draft. For note; Alliance ran it beastmaster with io and enchantress 4/5 and with oracle chen 4/5. | ||
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scorpkx
Australia19 Posts
On February 29 2016 17:37 Geisterkarle wrote: Just for clarification: I didn't see the games, but if I look at the drafts correctly, EG used BM only twice; one in the loss(!) against col and one against VP. And now you are taking about new "jungle-meta" and stuff? wtf? Yeah, everything sounds quite reasonable, but I think you put to much effort in this... overall EG is building strong combo's by utilising the jungle. right now they have void+wd, enigma+tide, BM+furion. i think we might see a fear jungling LD (fingers crossed). it just gives them a lot of options in terms of draft, draw the attention away from sumail and arteezy and force teams to ban against the two most versatile players on your team. it opens up the field a lot for ppd to do whatever he wants in the draft if he can get arteezy and sumail the heroes they want. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
On March 01 2016 03:40 scorpkx wrote: overall EG is building strong combo's by utilising the jungle. right now they have void+wd, enigma+tide, BM+furion. i think we might see a fear jungling LD (fingers crossed). it just gives them a lot of options in terms of draft, draw the attention away from sumail and arteezy and force teams to ban against the two most versatile players on your team. it opens up the field a lot for ppd to do whatever he wants in the draft if he can get arteezy and sumail the heroes they want. Ahh good point i didn't even think about that being a reason. Good job! | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On February 29 2016 20:02 Gaial wrote: They went to it twice out of 5 games. The reason I asked is because I felt opposing teams played well around it, and I didn't feel that Fear particularly managed to micro the hawk well enough to get vision. Also, for being within 10% of the networth of Sumail/Arteezy/Universe I didn't feel like the hero did that much in teamfights. I feel like [A] get more out of the Beastmaster pick than EG is what I'm getting at. Look at the highlights of that game to get a real idea of Fear's impact. VP got 2 successful smoke in a 50 minute game which netted them 3 kills. Other than that they got one gank on ppd. That's it. And of course their last smoke got spotted by the hawk and they subsequently lost the game. In the teamfights Fear just focused on countering the bat, Phobos got to lasso someone out of the fight only once (in the roach fight) and got insta roared every other time. Considering he also provided his aura, the vlads, the AC and the necrobooks he definitely carried his weight in the fights. And of course he dealt a significant amount of tower damage, almost as much as Arteezy and Suma1l combined... EG plays Beastmaster differently than the rest, it's not fancy, they don't go for pick-offs or use the vision offensively, they just use him defensively and as an utility/disable in fights which is fine if you use him in the 4 position. | ||
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