EPTTobiwan Accused of Sexual Assault. Valve Acts. - Page 3
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majkenofdoom
Sweden289 Posts
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Qualitaetsgarant
124 Posts
This isn't sexual assault though. You either consent, or you don't. There are no conditions to be attached to consent. You can of course withdraw consent whenever you want during the act. Agreed. Some storys sound like "I consented back then, but today i don't consent any more." Just because you change your attitude of consenting afterwards doesn't allow you to claim sexual harrassment. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Meruna hasn’t been incredibly specific (and I don’t blame her) but it’s obvious she was raped. https://twitter.com/meruna_/status/1276422738605981696?s=21 | ||
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Qualitaetsgarant
124 Posts
On June 26 2020 21:14 overt wrote: Her accusation that Toby pinned her down in a hotel room is 100% assault. You don’t have the right to hold people down in an attempt to pressure them for sex. Meruna hasn’t been incredibly specific (and I don’t blame her) but it’s obvious she was raped. https://twitter.com/meruna_/status/1276422738605981696?s=21 I didn't refer to those specific claims with my statement. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On June 26 2020 21:07 Artisreal wrote: To me it seems advisable to consider why you appear to only look for gotchas that somehow invalidate all or part of what is happening to supposed perpetrators here. Something that doesn't quite check out, something that is contradictory or illogical, that makes what has been done alright or understandable. Like you're trying to rationalize horrid behaviour. I'm not sure why you do that but it really seems to me that you victimise the perpetrators to an extent that I find unhealthy. It's because i find it unhealthy that you can write something on the net, and then some one is guilty, this complety undermize the justice system, this is an act of vigilante. Here you sentence Tobi to loss his job, friendships and more. Maybe other People think he deserve i beating, some could think worse. I really find some of this post hysterical and the demand for justice with blind faith. I would have prefered he had trial instead of this. As I said context is important. I thought it refered to sex with Tobi and not another person. To be honest he seems guilty, but as I can misread a text out of context that seem to change my mind in one case. I would say that you and other people misread an accusation. So lets say one of this evil rapist turns out innocent, what should the pubishment be for all the people here yelling for them to loss there job, should you get fired and have a post that admit you raped some one so can feel it for one week. No that is a bad idea, why we should lave it to the court system. The other way is towards anarchy. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On June 26 2020 19:40 Sapaio wrote: If you are driven by morals and ethics, you don't compromise them for fear of losing your income. If you do, then your morals and ethics are meaningless, and essentially you sold them for mammon.OK I want to hear how many for your people actually quit a job or gang because you knew a person in that company have commit a sexual harassment or normal harassment? If you stick by said people, you are indirectly endorsing their behavior as acceptable or not detrimental enough to cut it, which essentially speaks volumes about one's own character traits. | ||
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ihatevideogames
570 Posts
How long do people think this cancel culture shit can fly before it starts backfiring? For every life ruined life because of accusations from many years ago, many people are radicalised and turn towards fringe right-wing beliefs. This shit needs to stop before literally everyone is radicalised either to the left or the right. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On June 26 2020 23:22 ihatevideogames wrote: The biggest caster in dota getting cancelled over an accusation of something that may or may not have happened 9 years ago. I want off this timeline. How long do people think this cancel culture shit can fly before it starts backfiring? For every life ruined life because of accusations from many years ago, many people are radicalised and turn towards fringe right-wing beliefs. This shit needs to stop before literally everyone is radicalised either to the left or the right. I'm going out on a limb here, but my 2 cents: if it was that one thing, from X years ago, and it would be questionable whether even that is true, Tobi would be fine, BTS and Valve wouldnt have done sh`t. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On June 26 2020 23:22 ihatevideogames wrote: The biggest caster in dota getting cancelled over an accusation of something that may or may not have happened 9 years ago. I want off this timeline. How long do people think this cancel culture shit can fly before it starts backfiring? For every life ruined life because of accusations from many years ago, many people are radicalised and turn towards fringe right-wing beliefs. This shit needs to stop before literally everyone is radicalised either to the left or the right. And for every life ruined because of actions from many years ago... ah, I forgot, you don't care, cause those are not "the biggest caster in dota". Or is there any other feature about them you dislike? But I don't think anyone worries about you crying about being pushed to the far right. You are off the cliff already. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
To people who don't believe the allegations I'd just ask that you answer what specifically you'd need to see to convince you of his guilt? | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On June 26 2020 23:22 ihatevideogames wrote: For every life ruined life because of accusations from many years ago, many people are radicalised and turn towards fringe right-wing beliefs. This part right here is real fucking rich. Real interesting approach. Use typical alt-right incel jargon then warn about people being drawn to far right beliefs | ||
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wims80
1892 Posts
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
https://medium.com/@nahazdota/regarding-toby-b5ee41b193e4 Nahaz reveals meruna has given all of them screen shots of the private conversations which they won't post publically, but the inherent conversation was so damning against toby, he's guilty in the eyes of his co-workers and employers. there's no way his employers would not have also seen those same screenshots to drop him immediately. Meruna clarifies her position | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On June 26 2020 23:17 Sapaio wrote: It's because i find it unhealthy that you can write something on the net, and then some one is guilty, this complety undermize the justice system, this is an act of vigilante. Here you sentence Tobi to loss his job, friendships and more. Maybe other People think he deserve i beating, some could think worse. I really find some of this post hysterical and the demand for justice with blind faith. I would have prefered he had trial instead of this. As I said context is important. I thought it refered to sex with Tobi and not another person. To be honest he seems guilty, but as I can misread a text out of context that seem to change my mind in one case. I would say that you and other people misread an accusation. So lets say one of this evil rapist turns out innocent, what should the pubishment be for all the people here yelling for them to loss there job, should you get fired and have a post that admit you raped some one so can feel it for one week. No that is a bad idea, why we should lave it to the court system. The other way is towards anarchy. This isn't something. It's been corroborated enough times to have colleagues and friends turn away from him. Some things aren't illegal but amoral. For this there is only the public/ people to judge a character. Which can be wrong but everything points to this not being the case with Toby or grant. Thus insisting another case might be different is absolutely superfluous. Discussing what if's borders on gaslighting. And what the fuck? We sentence Toby? These are HIS actions not ours that are disgusting. He's thrown himself under the bus by being a prick. Of course I believe it if enough people I consider credible come out against him. | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
LD's Confirmation of Evidence Shared | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
The fact that even after these statements from Nahaz, LD, ODPixel, and others there will still be people questioning the authenticity of these claims against Toby is alarming and frustrating. I hope the industry can change even if it has to drag the most vile members of the community along with it. | ||
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lowdice
Sweden306 Posts
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
There is Due Process behind the scenes and this is exactly how it goes down. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
This is how things work in civilised society... Not in the era of social media brainwashing... I guess. | ||
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