EPTOn June 26 2020 05:23 vitalja wrote:
So think before you make an opinion.
So think before you make an opinion.
Okay, so I thought, and my conclusion is fuck this scumbag.
Tobiwan Accused of Sexual Assault. Valve Acts. - Page 2
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
Okay, so I thought, and my conclusion is fuck this scumbag. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
Found a new tibit, Pyrion Flax exposes and reaffirms toby's involvement and also harboring his secret for too long. Maelk also tells his side of the story with his involvement with tobi https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/hfvy7w/pyrion_flaxs_statement_about_tobi_and_dota_metoo/ | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
On June 26 2020 13:13 Nevuk wrote: Thanks, added that info to the OP (Meruna's follow-up, pflax and maelk's confirmation). Sorry about the delay, I'm theoretically on vacation this week. you shouldn't be here, let me take over the thread  Jk have a good vacation! Also, throwback Tobi With Cosplayer. He Says Hi, coincidentally. ![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/khl92xl5d6751.png) | ||
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Ler
Germany543 Posts
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Clouden
Ukraine14 Posts
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
On June 26 2020 17:41 Clouden wrote: The question is, wtf is considered a sexual activity from her point of view. We just had one crazy girl calling her own agreement to have sex a sexual abuse, so... Many of these stories are basically girls trying to hit on guys, seeing no commitment in return, getting butthurt from that and claiming they were raped, this is getting too ridiculous Kindly fuck off with your victim blaming bullshit. | ||
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Clouden
Ukraine14 Posts
On June 26 2020 18:01 Julmust wrote: Kindly fuck off with your victim blaming bullshit. Except they were never victims, sir | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2683 Posts
How enlightened of you to just fucking decide that for someone. Think about how disgusting that is, and think about the vast amount of space between wanting to weigh the facts and allow for any possibility, and announcing that they're not victims. Jesus. | ||
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Clouden
Ukraine14 Posts
On June 26 2020 18:20 Fleetfeet wrote: How enlightened of you to just fucking decide that for someone. Think about how disgusting that is, and think about the vast amount of space between wanting to weigh the facts and allow for any possibility, and announcing that they're not victims. Jesus. When somebody says "i fucked him to get more gigs, and that felt disgusting" you don't have to be an Einstein to count 2+2. Or like that guy from csgo, whose ex first stated that she does not remember anything because she was high, and then proceeds to explain how was what with 0 proofs, WHILE trying to keep good relations with him and actually backing up on certain stuff, deleting her posts etc. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, when the fuck will white knights/cucks like you will learn that? On Meruna's case, as i said, you have to know the details to judge, there's no details, so she just can't be considered a victim, at least not by me. Have you read her twitter and tweetlonger? Zero proof, but okay, perhaps she does not want share details publicly, perhaps there's someone relevant who knows about this and can ensure there was some fucked up shit happening? No, i don't think so. So basically you want me to believe in "big man pinned my tiny ass but i managed to escape"? Or tweetlonger story that only says she felt bad about everything that happened, again, with no specific stuff? You are saying that i can't decide if someone's not a victim, but why in the fucking world do you think you can claim her being a victim? Based on fucking what? Court? I don't think that ever happenned. Her story with nothing specific? Genius User was temp banned for this post | ||
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firfich
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one said this and i quote. "Just to be clear: I would't have agreed to sexual relations had I known the other party wasn't serious " Sounds exactly like sexual assault.Much like the other case sounds like the girl just wanted to get attention from Toby who was very famous caster basically. These girls need to learn the definition of sexual assaullt. Both Maelk and Pyrion knew about his inappropriate behavior , but surprise didn't do shit , because they were making money of Toby and suddenly when someone came out they're the first to justify it.They are in fact 10 times worse than Toby. They had the power to do something about it ,but decided to make money instead and they will continue working in the scene ofc. I'm 100% sure Toby was harassing girls in some way or another , but many ppl knew about it and nobody did anything and now all of them are saints etc. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On June 26 2020 18:44 firfich wrote: 2 Victims coming forward. one said this and i quote. "Just to be clear: I would't have agreed to sexual relations had I known the other party wasn't serious " https://twitter.com/botjira/status/1276183020521664513 Sounds exactly like sexual assault.Much like the other case sounds like the girl just wanted to get attention from Toby who was very famous caster basically. These girls need to learn the definition of sexual assaullt. Both Maelk and Pyrion knew about his inappropriate behavior , but surprise didn't do shit , because they were making money of Toby and suddenly when someone came out they're the first to justify it.They are in fact 10 times worse than Toby. They had the power to do something about it ,but decided to make money instead and they will continue working in the scene ofc. I'm 100% sure Toby was harassing girls in some way or another , but many ppl knew about it and nobody did anything and now all of them are saints etc. Ok ýou just linked the twitt from Botijira, that for me says that Tobi didn't rape her. But she was hurt over a fuck and dump. The word agreed to sexual act is in there. More to the point the only case Pyrion, who later told Maelk about is Botijra. But she would not press charges. Don't know about you but don't think you can fire or blacklist people without any proof. Maelk had a talk to Tobi, we don't know what he said but properly not a pleasant talk for Tobi, since Tobi confronted Pyrion about it. On the other cases, SyndereN's gf seem very convincing with her having chatlog with him admitting it, would be nice to see it. The other case i haven't seen.But there is a strange pattern with Tobi ending up with women because of lack of space at events. Maybe something the organizers should look into. Its pretty mind boggling how big a problem this is. | ||
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firfich
2 Posts
Ok ýou just linked the twitt from Botijira, that for me says that Tobi didn't rape her. But she was hurt over a fuck and dump. The word agreed to sexual act is in there. There are literally million girls hurt after someone used them for sex.It goes both ways.That's not assault in any way.Maybe he mislead her or something.But blaming someone for ur mental state is just easier to deal with. Pyrion was convinced Toby did what he was accused of ,but still worked with him etc for personal benefits.Just like all of the rest. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
I want to hear how many for your people actually quit a job or gang because you knew a person in that company have commit a sexual harassment or normal harassment? | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On June 26 2020 20:24 Furikawari wrote: I think this tweet is about what happened with Sing and not about Tobi? It's important because she says in here that there was mutual agreement (whether or not the male partner was serious about the followup). Thanks context is important. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On June 26 2020 18:44 firfich wrote: 2 Victims coming forward. one said this and i quote. "Just to be clear: I would't have agreed to sexual relations had I known the other party wasn't serious " https://twitter.com/botjira/status/1276183020521664513 Sounds exactly like sexual assault.Much like the other case sounds like the girl just wanted to get attention from Toby who was very famous caster basically. These girls need to learn the definition of sexual assaullt. Both Maelk and Pyrion knew about his inappropriate behavior , but surprise didn't do shit , because they were making money of Toby and suddenly when someone came out they're the first to justify it.They are in fact 10 times worse than Toby. They had the power to do something about it ,but decided to make money instead and they will continue working in the scene ofc. I'm 100% sure Toby was harassing girls in some way or another , but many ppl knew about it and nobody did anything and now all of them are saints etc. This isn't sexual assault though. You either consent, or you don't. There are no conditions to be attached to consent. You can of course withdraw consent whenever you want during the act. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
To me it seems advisable to consider why you appear to only look for gotchas that somehow invalidate all or part of what is happening to supposed perpetrators here. Something that doesn't quite check out, something that is contradictory or illogical, that makes what has been done alright or understandable. Like you're trying to rationalize horrid behaviour. I'm not sure why you do that but it really seems to me that you victimise the perpetrators to an extent that I find unhealthy. | ||
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