EPTTobiwan Accused of Sexual Assault. Valve Acts. - Page 8
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
"You went from a pseudo redemption arch, trying to silence the women, using your family as a shield, admitting to sexual assault (see Meruna's published DMs) and stealthing, to I am the victim here, pls safe my legacy. This may actually be the most disgusting thing you've said yet" The Tobi sympathizers have got to go as well. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
On July 02 2020 21:06 saocyn wrote: The Tobi sympathizers have got to go as well. Sorry, not going anywhere. I liked Tobi casting! He was entertaining and also was able to comment very wild DotA-fights in high-speed speech that was still understandable! Not something everyone is able to do! Quite a few casters start getting incomprehensible in the heat of the battle! So I have nice memories of him and he will leave a big hole in the DotA-caster area! Yes, he did shitty things too. But I don't dump good things in the litter box for that! Seriously: If now some researcher found THE cure for Covid19! It works like a charm and everyone is just waiting to get it to be safe and things getting normal again. But a week into mass-producing the drug, someone releases information, that this researcher is going to KKK meetings, so is a fucking racist asshole. Tell me: Do you still take the pill, or do you say "nope, throw it all away! someone better has to find a cure!"? Also: On July 02 2020 22:40 saocyn wrote: Notice how he didn't Delete his account outright, he just changed his name to "Inactive" he still has access to it. Why exactly should he delete his account? Or loose "access" to it? He said, that he is leaving DotA and gaming and not Twitter. Maybe now it will be just one of the million "dead" twitter accounts, that never say anything, but that is not wrong. | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
https://medium.com/@genghiskhatt/about-toby-dawson-again-fb1adef6ac8e STOP sympathizing with toby. No one cares about how good his "casting" was. He's a Rapist and a predator, end of story. If you care more about your enjoyment of dota than the victims of his predatory behavior you are part of the problem which enables it. We're not here to talk about his casting, we're here to talk about his crimes. I don't care what you think about how much he contributed to the community, he equally destroyed it. He enriched himself while preying on the community he brought up, so no he didn't contribute anything to it. Dota will be better off without him so the actual people who are deserving of his spot can come fourth now that he's not a gatekeeper. The audacity of him attempting to teach "White History" Clearly he couldn't teach it in Australia, so he moved to the UK so he could continue his racist rhetoric. Probably a White Power supporter too behind closed doors. Not surprised he chose UK as a destination. Just look at how he tries to spin the narrative of being held accountable. "i'm building an esports university, i'm putting my daughter to bed now" like just shut up. you're not doing anything in this community and you're not a member who contributed to it. The only thing you should be doing is sitting in a jail cell reflecting. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
So please stop with that! | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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SpeaKEaSY
United States1070 Posts
On July 03 2020 00:03 saocyn wrote: New Accusations against toby With Text Messages https://medium.com/@genghiskhatt/about-toby-dawson-again-fb1adef6ac8e https://twitter.com/GenghisKhatt/status/1277349375165861888 STOP sympathizing with toby. No one cares about how good his "casting" was. He's a Rapist and a predator, end of story. If you care more about your enjoyment of dota than the victims of his predatory behavior you are part of the problem which enables it. We're not here to talk about his casting, we're here to talk about his crimes. I don't care what you think about how much he contributed to the community, he equally destroyed it. He enriched himself while preying on the community he brought up, so no he didn't contribute anything to it. Dota will be better off without him so the actual people who are deserving of his spot can come fourth now that he's not a gatekeeper. The audacity of him attempting to teach "White History" Clearly he couldn't teach it in Australia, so he moved to the UK so he could continue his racist rhetoric. Probably a White Power supporter too behind closed doors. Not surprised he chose UK as a destination. Just look at how he tries to spin the narrative of being held accountable. "i'm building an esports university, i'm putting my daughter to bed now" like just shut up. you're not doing anything in this community and you're not a member who contributed to it. The only thing you should be doing is sitting in a jail cell reflecting. Closet white power supporter with an asian wife and daughter? | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On July 03 2020 02:13 SpeaKEaSY wrote: Closet white power supporter with an asian wife and daughter? I'm not gonna comment on the racist shit he's said in the past but marrying an Asian woman doesn't mean shit. NY Times even wrote an article about it but lots of people who call themselves white supremacists are into Asian women for a host of reasons. If you actually care I will leave you with two articles: 1. Article from The Lily which is a paper owned by the Washington Post which is written by (and for) women. 2. NY Times Article, "The Alt-Right's Asian Fetish," but this one requires you to make an account to read it. | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
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SpeaKEaSY
United States1070 Posts
On July 03 2020 03:33 saocyn wrote: Overt gets it. It's the same as back when white supremacist would sexually assault their slaves and wives. It is an act of power over them, not an act of cultural acceptance. It's the reason why he would be willing to take an Asian wife, and still hate the Chinese scene. We have football owners who do the same in USA. Have black girlfriends or wives, and tell them they despise seeing black men around them. Being jealous of other men around your gf/wives is not the same as being a white supremacist. | ||
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Sr18
Netherlands1141 Posts
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
On July 03 2020 00:03 saocyn wrote: New Accusations against toby With Text Messages https://medium.com/@genghiskhatt/about-toby-dawson-again-fb1adef6ac8e https://twitter.com/GenghisKhatt/status/1277349375165861888 STOP sympathizing with toby. No one cares about how good his "casting" was. He's a Rapist and a predator, end of story. If you care more about your enjoyment of dota than the victims of his predatory behavior you are part of the problem which enables it. We're not here to talk about his casting, we're here to talk about his crimes. I don't care what you think about how much he contributed to the community, he equally destroyed it. He enriched himself while preying on the community he brought up, so no he didn't contribute anything to it. Dota will be better off without him so the actual people who are deserving of his spot can come fourth now that he's not a gatekeeper. The audacity of him attempting to teach "White History" Clearly he couldn't teach it in Australia, so he moved to the UK so he could continue his racist rhetoric. Probably a White Power supporter too behind closed doors. Not surprised he chose UK as a destination. Just look at how he tries to spin the narrative of being held accountable. "i'm building an esports university, i'm putting my daughter to bed now" like just shut up. you're not doing anything in this community and you're not a member who contributed to it. The only thing you should be doing is sitting in a jail cell reflecting. Sooo he flirts with her, she flirts back, then all of the sudden she's the victim of sexual abuse? Honestly... Obviously all that BS with white history etc. is somewhat fucked up, but the way she berates him after being flirty in a few DMs is super weird too, when obviously she didn't mind it back then. At what point in time did it become illegal to flirt with someone just because you're famous? I have read (and believe) some fucked up stories about tobi in the last few days, and I'm thankful they are being published, this one however I feel is riding the #metoo train way too hard. | ||
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Latham
9560 Posts
Then saying such a blanket statement like On July 02 2020 21:06 saocyn wrote: The Tobi sympathizers have got to go as well. LMAO OK. Sorry I'm not going anywhere, and definitely not because you told me to leave. Was Tobi a creep? Yeah, probably. Sorry I can't get so up-in-arms and emotionally invested into this whole thing like you over tweets that happened years ago. I don't feel like joining the lynching mob and getting my pitchfork sharpened and the torch lit. Do I think he should stay? No. Will I miss him? Yes, because unlike you I don't want his involvement in the scene scrubbed clean and forgotten to the point that even uttering his name will be a big no-no. I know NONE of the people involved personally, and I certainly only know Tobi from his casting. If they have any grievances with each other, go to court. He already lost his job, his friends and any future prospects in the industry. But I get the impression you want him to lose even more... but I won't finish this thought. I will not excuse or defend his deeds but I choose to remember him by his contribution to the community as caster. I'll never forget him casting TI finals and delivering epic commentary. Just like SaviOr from Starcraft... was he a scumbag for matchfixing? Yes, absolutely. Will I deny that he was one of the very best zergs to have ever played the game? Nope, he'll always be a bonjwa in my memories and heart. | ||
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Checkm8
Japan627 Posts
If you were harrassed, go to the damn court. Are they just decor to you? What's the difference of admitting it in court to posting it online anonymously or not in terms of being known? This is not victim blaming. My main point is that instead of going on public, look for remedies inside your own industry or in court. In some countries, everything that's happening right now can be considered online libel. Again, I do not say that it's the victim's fault for being victimized. I do not say that what Tobi or any of the other people's actions are good or even excusable. What I'm saying is that this situation could've been handled better. And "make Dota a better place"? What a joke. All it's doing is stripping the old powers and replacing it with the new. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2555 Posts
On July 03 2020 09:46 Checkm8 wrote: I've said this before in the Redeye thread, and I'll say it again here: The main problem with this are the people who go cry foul over it on the internet and publicizing every damn thing. If you were harrassed, go to the damn court. Are they just decor to you? What's the difference of admitting it in court to posting it online anonymously or not in terms of being known? This is not victim blaming. My main point is that instead of going on public, look for remedies inside your own industry or in court. In some countries, everything that's happening right now can be considered online libel. Again, I do not say that it's the victim's fault for being victimized. I do not say that what Tobi or any of the other people's actions are good or even excusable. What I'm saying is that this situation could've been handled better. And "make Dota a better place"? What a joke. All it's doing is stripping the old powers and replacing it with the new. It's also raising a bar for acceptable behaviour and giving victims an avenue to be heard. Was it the best path to making dota a better place? No, probably not. Does that mean it can't be momentum for a good thing? I dun think so. | ||
mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
From my reading, as he was speaking about defending aboriginal history, he appeared to be talking about teaching about the policies which were supposed to bring about as white of an Australia as possible. And it's also true what he says about racism within the White Nationalism community - Mediterraneans and Irish people were frequently not considered white. Because the whole theory of a historical White Identity is complete BS. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On July 03 2020 11:49 Fleetfeet wrote: It's also raising a bar for acceptable behaviour and giving victims an avenue to be heard. Was it the best path to making dota a better place? No, probably not. Does that mean it can't be momentum for a good thing? I dun think so. Should also be pointed out that some of these issues were brought up in private and no one bothered to investigate or address them. | ||
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