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On December 12 2014 01:51 BluemoonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:
I don't mind intelligent female characters that have depth, but like, James Bond is going to be sexist. It just is.
Quantum of Solace was an awful movie. I don't even think it's THAT sexist. i mean..like there's never been a woman in the history of women that have seen an attractive, dangerous dude and said "I want to have sex with that man." I'm sure all of us know a woman that has done this exact thing. give me a break. Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 01:50 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:48 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:46 Comeh wrote:
The entire point of James bond is to be chauvinist, and women (even feminist friends of mine) love it.
It just so happens that Daniel Craig is attractive enough to make it okay.
:crazy: exactly. I don't see why movies have to be politically correct..its complete fantasy and unrealistic. I mean, watch the damn movie and tell me that anyone who is in their right mind would be like... "well, I cant help but feel like girls falling all over bond is anything short of sexist. it's ruining my immersion" The point is that the writers could write some women that don't respond well to Bond being chauvinist and playboy, rather than every woman falling into bed with him. Keep James Bond a womanizing ass hole, but make a few women who are not totally into that and it would be a nice change of pace. I mean, lets be honest. we all have a friend that's a womanizing asshole that has been turned down by a girl for being an asshole..and he still sleeps with her. I just find that unrealistic.
your personal experience does not necessarily apply to all of humanity and i would be careful of equating the two in the future
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On December 12 2014 01:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 01:51 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:
I don't mind intelligent female characters that have depth, but like, James Bond is going to be sexist. It just is.
Quantum of Solace was an awful movie. I don't even think it's THAT sexist. i mean..like there's never been a woman in the history of women that have seen an attractive, dangerous dude and said "I want to have sex with that man." I'm sure all of us know a woman that has done this exact thing. give me a break. Um...what? Really dude, are you kidding? There are plenty of girls who want nothing to do with the "bad boy."
but is it unrealistic to assume that there are no girls that are into the bad boy? that's my point. maybe its not true for the person that's like..ugh I cant stand bond being such a womanizer.
however, there are PLENTY of girls that would be all over that if he wasn't a character in a movie/book
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On December 12 2014 01:53 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 01:51 Comeh wrote:On December 12 2014 01:50 PassiveAce wrote:
I would bet there will eventually be a genderswapped bond film. I'm betting all of my money in the world the next bond won't be white. Who would make a good non-white bond? Idris Elba
I would watch the fuck out of that film and it would be amazing.
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On December 12 2014 01:54 BluemoonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 01:53 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:51 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:
I don't mind intelligent female characters that have depth, but like, James Bond is going to be sexist. It just is.
Quantum of Solace was an awful movie. I don't even think it's THAT sexist. i mean..like there's never been a woman in the history of women that have seen an attractive, dangerous dude and said "I want to have sex with that man." I'm sure all of us know a woman that has done this exact thing. give me a break. Um...what? Really dude, are you kidding? There are plenty of girls who want nothing to do with the "bad boy." but is it unrealistic to assume that there are no girls that are into the bad boy? that's my point. maybe its not true for the person that's like..ugh I cant stand bond being such a womanizer. however, there are PLENTY of girls that would be all over that if he wasn't a character in a movie/book
you should really stop talking about what women want lmfao
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Casino Royale is the best, I don't know what you guys are talking about.
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On December 12 2014 01:53 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 01:51 Comeh wrote:On December 12 2014 01:50 PassiveAce wrote:
I would bet there will eventually be a genderswapped bond film. I'm betting all of my money in the world the next bond won't be white. Who would make a good non-white bond? Idris Elba
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On December 12 2014 01:54 BluemoonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 01:53 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:51 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:
I don't mind intelligent female characters that have depth, but like, James Bond is going to be sexist. It just is.
Quantum of Solace was an awful movie. I don't even think it's THAT sexist. i mean..like there's never been a woman in the history of women that have seen an attractive, dangerous dude and said "I want to have sex with that man." I'm sure all of us know a woman that has done this exact thing. give me a break. Um...what? Really dude, are you kidding? There are plenty of girls who want nothing to do with the "bad boy." but is it unrealistic to assume that there are no girls that are into the bad boy? that's my point. maybe its not true for the person that's like..ugh I cant stand bond being such a womanizer. however, there are PLENTY of girls that would be all over that if he wasn't a character in a movie/book
You assume it's binary and all or nothing. The point is to write more varied female characters, rather than some girl that is, hot, mildly empowered and wants to fuck Bond even though he is a womanizing ass hole.
Bond is at his best when he is set next to women that are equal to him.
On December 12 2014 01:55 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 01:54 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:53 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:51 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:
I don't mind intelligent female characters that have depth, but like, James Bond is going to be sexist. It just is.
Quantum of Solace was an awful movie. I don't even think it's THAT sexist. i mean..like there's never been a woman in the history of women that have seen an attractive, dangerous dude and said "I want to have sex with that man." I'm sure all of us know a woman that has done this exact thing. give me a break. Um...what? Really dude, are you kidding? There are plenty of girls who want nothing to do with the "bad boy." but is it unrealistic to assume that there are no girls that are into the bad boy? that's my point. maybe its not true for the person that's like..ugh I cant stand bond being such a womanizer. however, there are PLENTY of girls that would be all over that if he wasn't a character in a movie/book you should really stop talking about what women want lmfao
Yeah, shockingly women respond really poorly to that.
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On December 12 2014 01:44 BluemoonSC wrote:
dunno, I really enjoyed skyfall. I thought it brought bond back into it's glory. maybe not like the older films, but I think Daniel craig makes a great bond.
I cant find the article but I was reading somewhere that this movie is going to stop making the bond girls how they've always been portrayed where bond is saving them and they are all attracted to him and whatnot.
IMO, that's just bullshit. idc what your political agenda is, if a chick is attracted to a suave guy, why does that have to have sexist connotations?
It's just outdated situation. Nothing to do with political agenda but a media conversion to more realistic portrayals of females.
It's a little funny to bring the concept of sexism into James Bond both because of how Judi Dench's character, M, is prevalent in the film, her relationship to Bond and other double-0 agents and because of how the females were relevant to the plot (though we tend to focus more on their attraction to Bond and less about their own storylines and missions)
anyone calling these recent Bond films sexist or even think sexism is relevant or remotely associated with the shift of roles for female protagonists are either very narrow-minded in how the females transitioned (in exposure, perspective and involvement) across all films or simply didn't pay attention to anyone but Bond's sweet sweet script.
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also the black dude from 12 years a slave
e: Chiwetel Ejiofor
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On December 12 2014 01:56 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 01:54 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:53 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:51 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:
I don't mind intelligent female characters that have depth, but like, James Bond is going to be sexist. It just is.
Quantum of Solace was an awful movie. I don't even think it's THAT sexist. i mean..like there's never been a woman in the history of women that have seen an attractive, dangerous dude and said "I want to have sex with that man." I'm sure all of us know a woman that has done this exact thing. give me a break. Um...what? Really dude, are you kidding? There are plenty of girls who want nothing to do with the "bad boy." but is it unrealistic to assume that there are no girls that are into the bad boy? that's my point. maybe its not true for the person that's like..ugh I cant stand bond being such a womanizer. however, there are PLENTY of girls that would be all over that if he wasn't a character in a movie/book You assume it's binary and all or nothing. The point is to write more varied female characters, rather than some girl that is, hot, mildly empowered and wants to fuck Bond even though he is a womanizing ass hole. Bond is at his best when he is set next to women that are equal to him.
oh don't get me wrong, he absolutely is. and I'm not assuming that its binary. I'm just saying, the reason he works as a character is BECAUSE there are women that WOULD do the things that the bond girls do. it works because it is a realistic assumption.
I will agree that there should be a variety and that maybe bond shouldn't sleep with the female protagonist every film..but anyone out there that thinks that bond girls are unrealistic, either forget they are watching a movie or that there are plenty of girls out there that would do the exact same thing IRL
On December 12 2014 01:55 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 01:54 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:53 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:51 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:
I don't mind intelligent female characters that have depth, but like, James Bond is going to be sexist. It just is.
Quantum of Solace was an awful movie. I don't even think it's THAT sexist. i mean..like there's never been a woman in the history of women that have seen an attractive, dangerous dude and said "I want to have sex with that man." I'm sure all of us know a woman that has done this exact thing. give me a break. Um...what? Really dude, are you kidding? There are plenty of girls who want nothing to do with the "bad boy." but is it unrealistic to assume that there are no girls that are into the bad boy? that's my point. maybe its not true for the person that's like..ugh I cant stand bond being such a womanizer. however, there are PLENTY of girls that would be all over that if he wasn't a character in a movie/book you should really stop talking about what women want lmfao
and why's that? because my experiences and views do not fit the current mold of a woman portrayed by the media? I've got news for you, women are just as bad as men when it comes to desire.
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On December 12 2014 01:58 BluemoonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 01:56 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:54 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:53 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:51 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:
I don't mind intelligent female characters that have depth, but like, James Bond is going to be sexist. It just is.
Quantum of Solace was an awful movie. I don't even think it's THAT sexist. i mean..like there's never been a woman in the history of women that have seen an attractive, dangerous dude and said "I want to have sex with that man." I'm sure all of us know a woman that has done this exact thing. give me a break. Um...what? Really dude, are you kidding? There are plenty of girls who want nothing to do with the "bad boy." but is it unrealistic to assume that there are no girls that are into the bad boy? that's my point. maybe its not true for the person that's like..ugh I cant stand bond being such a womanizer. however, there are PLENTY of girls that would be all over that if he wasn't a character in a movie/book You assume it's binary and all or nothing. The point is to write more varied female characters, rather than some girl that is, hot, mildly empowered and wants to fuck Bond even though he is a womanizing ass hole. Bond is at his best when he is set next to women that are equal to him. oh don't get me wrong, he absolutely is. and I'm not assuming that its binary. I'm just saying, the reason he works as a character is BECAUSE there are women that WOULD do the things that the bond girls do. it works because it is a realistic assumption. I will agree that there should be a variety and that maybe bond shouldn't sleep with the female protagonist every film..but anyone out there that thinks that bond girls are unrealistic, either forget they are watching a movie or that there are plenty of girls out there that would do the exact same thing IRL
No one thinks they are unrealistic, just sort of done to death and not very interesting. And the idea that all the women he ever encounters are like that is slightly unrealistic.
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On December 12 2014 02:01 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 01:58 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:56 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:54 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:53 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:51 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:
I don't mind intelligent female characters that have depth, but like, James Bond is going to be sexist. It just is.
Quantum of Solace was an awful movie. I don't even think it's THAT sexist. i mean..like there's never been a woman in the history of women that have seen an attractive, dangerous dude and said "I want to have sex with that man." I'm sure all of us know a woman that has done this exact thing. give me a break. Um...what? Really dude, are you kidding? There are plenty of girls who want nothing to do with the "bad boy." but is it unrealistic to assume that there are no girls that are into the bad boy? that's my point. maybe its not true for the person that's like..ugh I cant stand bond being such a womanizer. however, there are PLENTY of girls that would be all over that if he wasn't a character in a movie/book You assume it's binary and all or nothing. The point is to write more varied female characters, rather than some girl that is, hot, mildly empowered and wants to fuck Bond even though he is a womanizing ass hole. Bond is at his best when he is set next to women that are equal to him. oh don't get me wrong, he absolutely is. and I'm not assuming that its binary. I'm just saying, the reason he works as a character is BECAUSE there are women that WOULD do the things that the bond girls do. it works because it is a realistic assumption. I will agree that there should be a variety and that maybe bond shouldn't sleep with the female protagonist every film..but anyone out there that thinks that bond girls are unrealistic, either forget they are watching a movie or that there are plenty of girls out there that would do the exact same thing IRL No one thinks they are unrealistic, just sort of done to death and not very interesting. And the idea that all the women he ever encounters are like that is slightly unrealistic.
i'll agree its been done, but that wasn't the point of my original post.
I mean, we're watching a movie. we don't think that james bond himself is slightly unrealistic?
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On December 12 2014 01:58 Torte de Lini wrote:
...how Judi Dench's character, M, is prevalent in the film...
On a side note...her roles in Bond were always exceptional. Great actress.
On December 12 2014 01:58 teddyoojo wrote:
also the black dude from 12 years a slave
e: Chiwetel Ejiofor
Can't say I've seen him but heard some very good things.
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On December 12 2014 02:02 BluemoonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 02:01 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:58 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:56 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:54 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:53 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:51 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:
I don't mind intelligent female characters that have depth, but like, James Bond is going to be sexist. It just is.
Quantum of Solace was an awful movie. I don't even think it's THAT sexist. i mean..like there's never been a woman in the history of women that have seen an attractive, dangerous dude and said "I want to have sex with that man." I'm sure all of us know a woman that has done this exact thing. give me a break. Um...what? Really dude, are you kidding? There are plenty of girls who want nothing to do with the "bad boy." but is it unrealistic to assume that there are no girls that are into the bad boy? that's my point. maybe its not true for the person that's like..ugh I cant stand bond being such a womanizer. however, there are PLENTY of girls that would be all over that if he wasn't a character in a movie/book You assume it's binary and all or nothing. The point is to write more varied female characters, rather than some girl that is, hot, mildly empowered and wants to fuck Bond even though he is a womanizing ass hole. Bond is at his best when he is set next to women that are equal to him. oh don't get me wrong, he absolutely is. and I'm not assuming that its binary. I'm just saying, the reason he works as a character is BECAUSE there are women that WOULD do the things that the bond girls do. it works because it is a realistic assumption. I will agree that there should be a variety and that maybe bond shouldn't sleep with the female protagonist every film..but anyone out there that thinks that bond girls are unrealistic, either forget they are watching a movie or that there are plenty of girls out there that would do the exact same thing IRL No one thinks they are unrealistic, just sort of done to death and not very interesting. And the idea that all the women he ever encounters are like that is slightly unrealistic. i'll agree its been done, but that wasn't the point of my original post. I mean, we're watching a movie. we don't think that james bond himself is slightly unrealistic?
Of course, but 50% of the population is also watching the film and some of them are going "my god, why is this girl falling for him, he is a total ass and womanizer." The population of women who wouldn't sleep with James Bond or fall for his charm would like to be represented, maybe, once every 2-3 movies.
And if you write the same shit over and over, it gets dull. More interesting characters requires better writing.
Edit: M is awesome, but only once character.
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On December 12 2014 02:05 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 02:02 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 02:01 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:58 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:56 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:54 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:53 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:51 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:
I don't mind intelligent female characters that have depth, but like, James Bond is going to be sexist. It just is.
Quantum of Solace was an awful movie. I don't even think it's THAT sexist. i mean..like there's never been a woman in the history of women that have seen an attractive, dangerous dude and said "I want to have sex with that man." I'm sure all of us know a woman that has done this exact thing. give me a break. Um...what? Really dude, are you kidding? There are plenty of girls who want nothing to do with the "bad boy." but is it unrealistic to assume that there are no girls that are into the bad boy? that's my point. maybe its not true for the person that's like..ugh I cant stand bond being such a womanizer. however, there are PLENTY of girls that would be all over that if he wasn't a character in a movie/book You assume it's binary and all or nothing. The point is to write more varied female characters, rather than some girl that is, hot, mildly empowered and wants to fuck Bond even though he is a womanizing ass hole. Bond is at his best when he is set next to women that are equal to him. oh don't get me wrong, he absolutely is. and I'm not assuming that its binary. I'm just saying, the reason he works as a character is BECAUSE there are women that WOULD do the things that the bond girls do. it works because it is a realistic assumption. I will agree that there should be a variety and that maybe bond shouldn't sleep with the female protagonist every film..but anyone out there that thinks that bond girls are unrealistic, either forget they are watching a movie or that there are plenty of girls out there that would do the exact same thing IRL No one thinks they are unrealistic, just sort of done to death and not very interesting. And the idea that all the women he ever encounters are like that is slightly unrealistic. i'll agree its been done, but that wasn't the point of my original post. I mean, we're watching a movie. we don't think that james bond himself is slightly unrealistic? Of course, but 50% of the population is also watching the film and some of them are going "my god, why is this girl falling for him, he is a total ass and womanizer." The population of women who wouldn't sleep with James Bond or fall for his charm would like to be represented, maybe, once every 2-3 movies. And if you write the same shit over and over, it gets dull. More interesting characters requires better writing. Edit: M is awesome, but only once character.
like I said, I agree with changing up the films plot to have a little variety in the role of the female protagonist.
I just take issue when people get all upset about him sleeping with a female character as if there is not a single woman in the world that wouldn't EVER do this.
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On December 12 2014 02:07 BluemoonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 02:05 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 02:02 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 02:01 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:58 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:56 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:54 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:53 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:51 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:
I don't mind intelligent female characters that have depth, but like, James Bond is going to be sexist. It just is.
Quantum of Solace was an awful movie. I don't even think it's THAT sexist. i mean..like there's never been a woman in the history of women that have seen an attractive, dangerous dude and said "I want to have sex with that man." I'm sure all of us know a woman that has done this exact thing. give me a break. Um...what? Really dude, are you kidding? There are plenty of girls who want nothing to do with the "bad boy." but is it unrealistic to assume that there are no girls that are into the bad boy? that's my point. maybe its not true for the person that's like..ugh I cant stand bond being such a womanizer. however, there are PLENTY of girls that would be all over that if he wasn't a character in a movie/book You assume it's binary and all or nothing. The point is to write more varied female characters, rather than some girl that is, hot, mildly empowered and wants to fuck Bond even though he is a womanizing ass hole. Bond is at his best when he is set next to women that are equal to him. oh don't get me wrong, he absolutely is. and I'm not assuming that its binary. I'm just saying, the reason he works as a character is BECAUSE there are women that WOULD do the things that the bond girls do. it works because it is a realistic assumption. I will agree that there should be a variety and that maybe bond shouldn't sleep with the female protagonist every film..but anyone out there that thinks that bond girls are unrealistic, either forget they are watching a movie or that there are plenty of girls out there that would do the exact same thing IRL No one thinks they are unrealistic, just sort of done to death and not very interesting. And the idea that all the women he ever encounters are like that is slightly unrealistic. i'll agree its been done, but that wasn't the point of my original post. I mean, we're watching a movie. we don't think that james bond himself is slightly unrealistic? Of course, but 50% of the population is also watching the film and some of them are going "my god, why is this girl falling for him, he is a total ass and womanizer." The population of women who wouldn't sleep with James Bond or fall for his charm would like to be represented, maybe, once every 2-3 movies. And if you write the same shit over and over, it gets dull. More interesting characters requires better writing. Edit: M is awesome, but only once character. like I said, I agree with changing up the films plot to have a little variety in the role of the female protagonist. I just take issue when people get all upset about him sleeping with a female character as if there is not a single woman in the world that wouldn't EVER do this.
I don't think anyone reasonable has a problem with Bond sleeping with women. The problem is with shitty female characters who's sole purpose is to be looked at and then rescued by Bond. The Craig films have sort of stayed away from that in general and has some smart character.
To be honest, i think the sleeping with Bond is one of the things that people don't have a problem with. Its all the stuff around it that.
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On December 12 2014 02:05 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 02:02 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 02:01 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:58 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:56 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:54 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:53 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:51 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:
I don't mind intelligent female characters that have depth, but like, James Bond is going to be sexist. It just is.
Quantum of Solace was an awful movie. I don't even think it's THAT sexist. i mean..like there's never been a woman in the history of women that have seen an attractive, dangerous dude and said "I want to have sex with that man." I'm sure all of us know a woman that has done this exact thing. give me a break. Um...what? Really dude, are you kidding? There are plenty of girls who want nothing to do with the "bad boy." but is it unrealistic to assume that there are no girls that are into the bad boy? that's my point. maybe its not true for the person that's like..ugh I cant stand bond being such a womanizer. however, there are PLENTY of girls that would be all over that if he wasn't a character in a movie/book You assume it's binary and all or nothing. The point is to write more varied female characters, rather than some girl that is, hot, mildly empowered and wants to fuck Bond even though he is a womanizing ass hole. Bond is at his best when he is set next to women that are equal to him. oh don't get me wrong, he absolutely is. and I'm not assuming that its binary. I'm just saying, the reason he works as a character is BECAUSE there are women that WOULD do the things that the bond girls do. it works because it is a realistic assumption. I will agree that there should be a variety and that maybe bond shouldn't sleep with the female protagonist every film..but anyone out there that thinks that bond girls are unrealistic, either forget they are watching a movie or that there are plenty of girls out there that would do the exact same thing IRL No one thinks they are unrealistic, just sort of done to death and not very interesting. And the idea that all the women he ever encounters are like that is slightly unrealistic. i'll agree its been done, but that wasn't the point of my original post. I mean, we're watching a movie. we don't think that james bond himself is slightly unrealistic? Of course, but 50% of the population is also watching the film and some of them are going "my god, why is this girl falling for him, he is a total ass and womanizer." The population of women who wouldn't sleep with James Bond or fall for his charm would like to be represented, maybe, once every 2-3 movies. And if you write the same shit over and over, it gets dull. More interesting characters requires better writing. Edit: M is awesome, but only once character.
I did find it ridiculous that Judi Dench outran Javier Bardem while injured through a burning field at the end of the movie. like ya ok 80 year old women faster than amazing killer guy
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On December 12 2014 02:14 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 02:07 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 02:05 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 02:02 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 02:01 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:58 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:56 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:54 BluemoonSC wrote:On December 12 2014 01:53 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2014 01:51 BluemoonSC wrote:
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I don't even think it's THAT sexist.
i mean..like there's never been a woman in the history of women that have seen an attractive, dangerous dude and said "I want to have sex with that man." I'm sure all of us know a woman that has done this exact thing.
give me a break. Um...what? Really dude, are you kidding? There are plenty of girls who want nothing to do with the "bad boy." but is it unrealistic to assume that there are no girls that are into the bad boy? that's my point. maybe its not true for the person that's like..ugh I cant stand bond being such a womanizer. however, there are PLENTY of girls that would be all over that if he wasn't a character in a movie/book You assume it's binary and all or nothing. The point is to write more varied female characters, rather than some girl that is, hot, mildly empowered and wants to fuck Bond even though he is a womanizing ass hole. Bond is at his best when he is set next to women that are equal to him. oh don't get me wrong, he absolutely is. and I'm not assuming that its binary. I'm just saying, the reason he works as a character is BECAUSE there are women that WOULD do the things that the bond girls do. it works because it is a realistic assumption. I will agree that there should be a variety and that maybe bond shouldn't sleep with the female protagonist every film..but anyone out there that thinks that bond girls are unrealistic, either forget they are watching a movie or that there are plenty of girls out there that would do the exact same thing IRL No one thinks they are unrealistic, just sort of done to death and not very interesting. And the idea that all the women he ever encounters are like that is slightly unrealistic. i'll agree its been done, but that wasn't the point of my original post. I mean, we're watching a movie. we don't think that james bond himself is slightly unrealistic? Of course, but 50% of the population is also watching the film and some of them are going "my god, why is this girl falling for him, he is a total ass and womanizer." The population of women who wouldn't sleep with James Bond or fall for his charm would like to be represented, maybe, once every 2-3 movies. And if you write the same shit over and over, it gets dull. More interesting characters requires better writing. Edit: M is awesome, but only once character. like I said, I agree with changing up the films plot to have a little variety in the role of the female protagonist. I just take issue when people get all upset about him sleeping with a female character as if there is not a single woman in the world that wouldn't EVER do this. I don't think anyone reasonable has a problem with Bond sleeping with women. The problem is with shitty female characters who's sole purpose is to be looked at and then rescued by Bond. The Craig films have sort of stayed away from that in general and has some smart character.
there ya go, I think that would be a reasonable problem to have with the movies, I think. I haven't watched any bond movies in a while and im not a huge movie buff..but there haven't been any of these lately, right?
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