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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
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Selith
United States238 Posts
On May 10 2011 08:27 toni0z wrote: Exactly why do people not like KeSPA? (serious question) Because fair share of things KeSPA did impacts Korean fans much moreso than the foreign fans. There are quite a bit of disgruntled Korean BW fans that love and cherish all things BW -- and even may hate Blizzard/Gretech, but virtually no BW fans in Korea supports KeSPA. | ||
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elementz
United States281 Posts
Yes this could mean more peaceful eSports in Korea but when it comes down to it, SC2 doesn't need Korea to continue existing, BW is exclusively in Korea and never cared about the west. Heck I might say that SC2 would be better in the west if Korean SC2 died, would force Korean SC2 pros to compete in the west or quit gaming. The GOMTV finals have been full of people as well as their website got 200k views on TSL3 which most Koreas wont really watch, (I am sure some Korean speakers can check how many views they get on regular GSL games or the finals, heck considering the TSL3 got 50k live viewers, that is a lot not considering VOD views on liquids youtube, they also heavily advertise stuff on GOMTV for Korea (I wont do the math for translating 50k TSL3 LIVE viewers to GSL subs because I don't want to speculate). SC2 is nowhere to what they are describing, GOM guy is smart (the code S caster with the glasses that is head of the foreigner relations...LOL) he knows he gets more viewers for foreigners and he is doing his best to include foreigners, they are including WC for their super tourney which automatically includes those 8 foreigners to the mix of competing players. KeSPA biased remarks of the kind do not impress me SC2 is healthy, and in the west it looks healthier than ever, and hopefully it becomes better to watch with expansions. Also expansions will get a lot of the initial SC2 buyers back to an already developed sc2 esports when the expansion comes out and we can more viewrs ( I am talking about the game hoppers that played the campaign and haven't touched sc2 since and will most likely get heart of the swarm) hopefully we can get their attention and they become SC-esports lovers. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
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NHY
1013 Posts
On May 10 2011 08:41 masterbreti wrote: KeSPA has done nothing but good for esports. I really don't see why there is hate against KeSPA. Look at how they have given progamers such great chances, and to make a crapton of money. I don't see anything wrong with KeSPA imho The thing is, KeSPA had nothing to do with creation and promotion of Korean e-sports scene. They arguably had negative impacts on the scene. | ||
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Suisen
256 Posts
Imagine how all this would have turned out without Kespa. There would have been nothing to oppose Blizzard. The idea and people that ultimately led to Kespa hugely professionalized esports in a time where professional esports didn't exist yet. Also, the security and stability Kespa brought to the BW scene led to the big corporate sponsors funding the teams. They knew their investments would be safe as they knew things would go on beyond the current season. Also, a huge reason for Kespa was to get around income tax on prize money. This is actually huge and was done in cooperation with the Korean government. Later on they changed the law a bit, but at that time Kespa as a unifying body made for the legal ground to not have to part with half of your prize money. All the anti-Kespa talk only began after Blizzard made their move. Many foreigners cared a lot about English commentary as the announcement of SC2 drew new people who knew little about SC BW strategy. And English commentary of SC BW GSL helped them. This is the only thing they watched and when it stopped 'because of Kespa' they were very angry. This is how anti-Kespa rhetoric started and how people made up myths that Kespa had nothing to do with the creation of professional esports. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On May 10 2011 08:55 NHY wrote: The thing is, KeSPA had nothing to do with creation and promotion of Korean e-sports scene. They arguably had negative impacts on the scene. I have not had any bad experinces or known any bad experinces with KeSPA. I have worked with them in the past and they have been amazing. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On May 10 2011 09:01 masterbreti wrote: I have not had any bad experinces or known any bad experinces with KeSPA. I have worked with them in the past and they have been amazing. I'm sure they are wonderful in some respects. | ||
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On May 10 2011 08:41 masterbreti wrote: KeSPA has done nothing but good for esports. I really don't see why there is hate against KeSPA. Look at how they have given progamers such great chances, and to make a crapton of money. I don't see anything wrong with KeSPA imho It might have to do with the really bad history KeSPA has with BW fans and players like Jaedong. I remember the days when the old BW community here on TL absolutely despised KeSPA. Somehow most people had their memories wiped around the time SC2 got released though. Have they gotten better? I'd like to hope so, but that's a discussion for another thread. | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
Tell me what are these negative impacts on the scene? I can tell the positive effects on the e-sport scene .. like creating the e-sport scene. or or or .. paying salaries to players that are loved by the fans. Organizing leagues Balancing maps for non stagnant gameplay | ||
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
Their knowledge and "how to" about everything related to sc bw would surely be more than helpful in a joint sc2/bw development in the future. I would not be against it. I mean, even if I were KeSPA I would actually promote this. They represent the sponsors right? And one of the most influential one is Samsung right? Well, they have now the opportunity to reach a FAR bigger , WORLDWIDE audience by cross sponsoring both bw and sc2, in foreign countries, in which they already have enstabilished a market, even if with fience competitors. I would take this opportunity, for once greed is an evil that might bring some benefits to us fans. If Samsung and other sponsors think this through, they most probably would find this an interesting business perspective. This does not mean necessarily operating beyond SK's borders, they (with mbc/ongamenet) could just pull a gsl out of the hat and earn a lot more money. And honestly, they might be draconian all you want, I don't really care, I like the gameplay, I like watching JD and Flash duking it out. I don't care about anything else really. And under a pure business perspective, sc2 and bw are similar enough, so they can use the same pipelines and workflows they enstabilished in ten years of bw operations. MBC and Ongamenet could just follow suit and all would be right with the world. JD nailed it, when he said that he is ok with playing sc2 instead, to earn worldwide fame. Switch "fame" with "money" and JD with Kespa. Operating both games would make them rich, imho. | ||
Milkis
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On May 10 2011 09:35 Milkis wrote: Make another thread if you want to argue about the pros and cons of KeSPA I am sorry .. I was just trying crushing the blind fanboyism with common sense and facts. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On May 10 2011 09:24 jax1492 wrote: Its a start at least, I hope they can reach a deal for sc2 also Who said they're trying to reach a deal? I dunno why people are having trouble to understand this. This has NOTHING to do with SC2. KeSPA isn't going to run anything to do with SC2, they are not allowed, and there's no indication they are even trying. On May 10 2011 08:40 elementz wrote: Most people seam to forget that SC2 is already on TV in Korea, as well as it has a bigger following of western money, I don't know about you but last time I check WON is much mroe inferior to euro/dollar. <cut> Did you really come into this thread about a deal for BW in order to get really defensive about SC2 at no one in particular? We're all aware whats happening with SC2 but frankly i think i speak on behalf of BW fans, we don't care. This is just good news for us, not something to set off an argument about or start talking tons of shit about supporting ESPORTS. | ||
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ehalf
408 Posts
On May 10 2011 09:17 xBillehx wrote: It might have to do with the really bad history KeSPA has with BW fans and players like Jaedong. I remember the days when the old BW community here on TL absolutely despised KeSPA. Somehow most people had their memories wiped around the time SC2 got released though. Have they gotten better? I'd like to hope so, but that's a discussion for another thread. Exactly, and kespa just dont want sc2 to ruin their BW business at first. kespa doesnt want esports growing, he only wants his business growing. | ||
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gregnog
United States289 Posts
Hopefully Starcraft 2 catches on in Korea eventually User was warned for this post | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On May 10 2011 10:13 gregnog wrote: How is it "good news" for esports in Korea? This is definitely bad news for E-sports, especially when thinking about trying to integrate the Korean scene with the rest of the world. Now Korea will just spend several more years playing a game that nobody else plays, no new sponsors, no new fans... Hopefully Starcraft 2 catches on in Korea eventually Koreans know their RTS.  Fans aren't about to start jumping ship just because some inferior game happens to have the same printing & title on it's case. | ||
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