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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4269 Posts
May 09 2011 20:38 GMT
#21
Great news...it seems blizzard got a little fee and Kespa got the right to keep us happy and BW full :D so besides the scare no harm right?

Good news indeed
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
May 09 2011 20:41 GMT
#22
So basically we have in korea:
SC:BW - Kespa runned.
SC2 - Gretech runned.

I think now we have a win win situation. If one flops the other will survive.
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 20:48:02
May 09 2011 20:47 GMT
#23
On May 10 2011 05:24 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 05:23 echO [W] wrote:
On May 10 2011 05:18 grudgeStar wrote:
Superdanielman said this on his twitter:
"Once Kespa embraces SC2 things will be a lot different, SC2 will get much bigger around the world, and let's not forget brood war folks!!!"

also this, when a couple of people responded that they didn't want kespa to "ruin" SC2 (not much to ruin in Korea, from what i've heard):
"well guys for one, there could be bunch of corporate teams, osl, mbc leagues, more exposure for players, it goes on and on and on and on..."

SC2 doesn't need KeSPA, and in fact doesn't need Korea.

It would be nice, but we don't need it. Question to those who follow this whole KeSPA v. Blizzard. (and KeSPA in general) People generally don't like KeSPA and how heavy handed it can be. Does this whole lawsuit and legal action and just the fact that someone decided to stand up to KeSPA foreshadow any possible change in how KeSPA as an organization conducts business from here on out?


Let's not turn this into a a pro KeSPA/anti KeSPA discussion please

Sorry about that, I didn't intend for my comments to be interpreted that way.

I assumed that people generally did not look at KeSPA in a favorable light. Guess I was wrong.

"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 20:57:39
May 09 2011 20:48 GMT
#24
It is good news, thank you for the translation and posting the older information in the spoiler.

It is nice to see KeSPA, MBC, and OGN pay a fee once a year for as many tournaments as they can handle and support Blizzard at the same time. It is also a good thing that Blizzard let Gretech backdown from the BW rights which was most likely a mutual decision by Blizzard and Gretech.

I think another factor in this is that KeSPA has also taken notice of the activity building outside of Korea for other games and hopefully want to promote BW outside of Korea a bit more. Bigger audience will only help the BW scene stay around.

+ Show Spoiler +
edit: Riot games can have those employee's I am assuming most of them are the ones that fucked up the sc2 launch in Korea anyway.
Brood War forever!
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
May 09 2011 20:49 GMT
#25
I never doubted Kespa/BW in the first place.
Popss
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden176 Posts
May 09 2011 20:50 GMT
#26
Glad they finally resolved this.

But I have to say I think Blizzard acted somewhat shady here even though their actions was rational from a business perspective.

Basically pre-SC2 KeSPA was just generating free marketing for Blizzards upcoming product but post-SC2 they're a competitor so Blizzard started to lean on them to either shut them down or gain some sort of benefit from licensing fees.

I would have advised the same if I was working with marketing at Blizzard but considering how essential the professional BW scene has been for the success of not only BW but also SC2 I can't help as a fan to feel Blizzard acted like generic-big-evil-company in this whole mess.

But KeSPA was and is a shitty organization when it came to treatment of players and such even though they definitely have helped the growth of e-sports noone really took their side in this ^^
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 20:53:10
May 09 2011 20:52 GMT
#27
I'm just glad to see this ironed out, and that in the end, blizzard is getting IP recognition from KeSPA via the paid licensing, and KeSPA, OGN,MBC can continue their broadcasting as they have in the past. My question then is, OGN/MBC previously had to pay broadcasting fees to KeSPA, with them now paying it to Blizzard, does that mean they no longer have to pay it to KeSPA?
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
May 09 2011 20:53 GMT
#28
I'm glad they were able to work something out!
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 09 2011 20:55 GMT
#29
Long live BW.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Furycrab
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada456 Posts
May 09 2011 20:55 GMT
#30
On May 10 2011 05:14 MuffinDude wrote:
Lol. Riot games taking blizzard workers.



Haha. Pun intended?
Too tired to come up with something witty.
SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
May 09 2011 20:55 GMT
#31
Long live BW and Long live Riot LOOOL
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
lbmaian
Profile Joined December 2010
United States689 Posts
May 09 2011 21:01 GMT
#32
On May 10 2011 05:47 echO [W] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 05:24 Milkis wrote:
On May 10 2011 05:23 echO [W] wrote:
On May 10 2011 05:18 grudgeStar wrote:
Superdanielman said this on his twitter:
"Once Kespa embraces SC2 things will be a lot different, SC2 will get much bigger around the world, and let's not forget brood war folks!!!"

also this, when a couple of people responded that they didn't want kespa to "ruin" SC2 (not much to ruin in Korea, from what i've heard):
"well guys for one, there could be bunch of corporate teams, osl, mbc leagues, more exposure for players, it goes on and on and on and on..."

SC2 doesn't need KeSPA, and in fact doesn't need Korea.

It would be nice, but we don't need it. Question to those who follow this whole KeSPA v. Blizzard. (and KeSPA in general) People generally don't like KeSPA and how heavy handed it can be. Does this whole lawsuit and legal action and just the fact that someone decided to stand up to KeSPA foreshadow any possible change in how KeSPA as an organization conducts business from here on out?


Let's not turn this into a a pro KeSPA/anti KeSPA discussion please

Sorry about that, I didn't intend for my comments to be interpreted that way.

I assumed that people generally did not look at KeSPA in a favorable light. Guess I was wrong.



I think most would agree that KeSPA has done some stupid things in the past. But in this case, it's the spat between KeSPA and Blizzard that was stupid.
Suisen
Profile Joined April 2011
256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 21:11:36
May 09 2011 21:03 GMT
#33
A SC2 internet stream can't compete with SC BW on cable tv. This means that eventually OGN/MBC/Kespa will run SC2 leagues. Gomtv costs Blizzard a lot of money and in the end using Gomtv as a weapon against Kespa has failed. Blizzard thought they could just run gomtv with a shitload of prize money and draw in top SC BW players and let SC BW die. It didn't work out. Player salaries in the end were still bigger in SC BW and viewerse just didn't watch SC2 enough/didn't abandon SC BW.

This is actually bad for SC BW. SC BW has been able to survive up till now because of SC2's failure. And SC2's failure is not entirely to blame on the merit of the game itself. SDM is very right about this. Now SC2 actually has a chance to be on tv, be watched and get more popular. It is good for esports, but now SC BW has competition.

Blizzard in their efforts to kill SC BW, and in trying to get the rights they now realized they can't own, actually lengthened SC BW. No matter how much worse SC2 might be compared to SC BW, just because SC2 is new and fresh and more modern in looks, it ought to have been able to compete seriously with SC BW. The problem is that there wasn't a level playing field.

When Kespa can run SC2 leagues, there will be a level playing field. And once SC BW no longer has more money than SC2, top players will move to SC2 and that will be the real start of the end of SC BW.

But SC2 is not very new anymore. Blizzard might have lost the momentum to push out SC BW.


It's going to be embarrassing for Gomtv. I don't know how much time into the future Blizzard has given them the funds to run the tournament as it now is. But in the future we may see the prize money get reduced seriously. GSL will lose prestige and as SC2 is less popular in Korea than it is in Europe and NA, GSL will have less prize money.
At that point it will become inevitable for Kespa to jump in and broadcast SC2 leagues on tv which may turn the tide. At that point SC2 actually has a chance to outcompete SC BW.
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
May 09 2011 21:04 GMT
#34
Hell yes! Glad to hear this!
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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
May 09 2011 21:05 GMT
#35
On May 10 2011 05:13 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 05:12 Frack wrote:
as an outside to bw and the scene does this solely effect broodwar or is the outcome good for sc2 aswell?


Overall, it'll likely get GSL broadcasted on OGN and MBC in the long run, which could be a great thing for SC2. However, that's likely a fine detail that will be hammered out.



Has kespa, mbc, or ogn shown any intrest in SC2 in the past? I'm not nessiarily disagreeing with you, but I what to know what makes you say that.
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act.hero
Profile Joined April 2011
United States205 Posts
May 09 2011 21:06 GMT
#36
It's Blizzard's game. Only in Korea would the Law not be immediately in their favor.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
May 09 2011 21:07 GMT
#37
On May 10 2011 06:05 hacklebeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 05:13 Milkis wrote:
On May 10 2011 05:12 Frack wrote:
as an outside to bw and the scene does this solely effect broodwar or is the outcome good for sc2 aswell?


Overall, it'll likely get GSL broadcasted on OGN and MBC in the long run, which could be a great thing for SC2. However, that's likely a fine detail that will be hammered out.



Has kespa, mbc, or ogn shown any intrest in SC2 in the past? I'm not nessiarily disagreeing with you, but I what to know what makes you say that.


OGN has previously agreed to broadcast GSL, but they backed out later. OGN commentators actually prepared to commentate for GSL too and have stated this.

It wont happen for at least a year though since Anibox has exclusive rights for a year for broadcasting GSL on cable TV.
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
May 09 2011 21:08 GMT
#38
On May 10 2011 06:05 hacklebeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 05:13 Milkis wrote:
On May 10 2011 05:12 Frack wrote:
as an outside to bw and the scene does this solely effect broodwar or is the outcome good for sc2 aswell?


Overall, it'll likely get GSL broadcasted on OGN and MBC in the long run, which could be a great thing for SC2. However, that's likely a fine detail that will be hammered out.



Has kespa, mbc, or ogn shown any intrest in SC2 in the past? I'm not nessiarily disagreeing with you, but I what to know what makes you say that.


Before Gom were given the rights, I believe OGN had plans for an OS2L, I remember rumours regarding that circulating about, cant find any proof for now though
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 21:09:28
May 09 2011 21:09 GMT
#39
On May 10 2011 05:14 MuffinDude wrote:
Lol. Riot games taking blizzard workers.



A lot of the people that work for Riot games in the US are former blizzard employees. Tom Cadwell aka Zileas being notable for working on WoW
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
May 09 2011 21:11 GMT
#40
On May 10 2011 06:08 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 06:05 hacklebeast wrote:
On May 10 2011 05:13 Milkis wrote:
On May 10 2011 05:12 Frack wrote:
as an outside to bw and the scene does this solely effect broodwar or is the outcome good for sc2 aswell?


Overall, it'll likely get GSL broadcasted on OGN and MBC in the long run, which could be a great thing for SC2. However, that's likely a fine detail that will be hammered out.



Has kespa, mbc, or ogn shown any intrest in SC2 in the past? I'm not nessiarily disagreeing with you, but I what to know what makes you say that.


Before Gom were given the rights, I believe OGN had plans for an OS2L, I remember rumours regarding that circulating about, cant find any proof for now though


OSL2 was a complete fabrication created by Artosis and the Chinese.
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