EPTIt's a false and dishonest argument that's brought up because the only other way to bash Kespa is to bring up the Backho DQ once again. There's no other ammunition against Kespa so they have to invent this.
Shameful.
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Suisen
256 Posts
It's a false and dishonest argument that's brought up because the only other way to bash Kespa is to bring up the Backho DQ once again. There's no other ammunition against Kespa so they have to invent this. Shameful. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
If i were to be Kespa.. I certainly wouldnt expend my time n effort expanding into the foreign market, which is notorious for their high frequency of game-switching.. (Look how many ppl jumped at the newest toy (SC2), and claim it to be the e-Sport thing..). FYI, Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne was once "the e-Sport thing" in the West too.. You had Grubby, Tod4k, etc too. It lasted for some years, but look where it is now. SC2 is the new toy, so its enjoying all these popularity.. But personally i dont see it to be any different from the others, and dont believe that spending extra effort to embrace such audience is worthwhile, considering the amount of resources that would likely cost. And in case you want to question the quality of WC3:TFT, it was immensely entertaining, with many interesting and innovative features like heroes, item, etc.. Cant say the same for some other game that i know. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On May 12 2011 02:15 ffreakk wrote: @Torpedo.Vegas If i were to be Kespa.. I certainly wouldnt expend my time n effort expanding into the foreign market, which is notorious for their high frequency of game-switching.. (Look how many ppl jumped at the newest toy (SC2), and claim it to be the e-Sport thing..). FYI, Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne was once "the e-Sport thing" in the West too.. You had Grubby, Tod4k, etc too. It lasted for some years, but look where it is now. SC2 is the new toy, so its enjoying all these popularity.. But personally i dont see it to be any different from the others, and dont believe that spending extra effort to embrace such audience is worthwhile, considering the amount of resources that would likely cost. And in case you want to question the quality of WC3:TFT, it was immensely entertaining, with many interesting and innovative features like heroes, item, etc.. Cant say the same for some other game that i know. Did you jump ship from BW yet? How many people around the world watch restreams of major BW tournaments, even considering how niche and closed of Korean BW is from the rest of the world. If BW is as special as you imply it is, then putting a little effort towards trying to expand the market couldn't hurt. Worst case scenario they fall back to where they are now. | ||
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zawk9
United States427 Posts
Players no longer have to go to Korea to play and earn in the big leagues. If the global market is ignored, the future player base of BW will eventually erode as well as sponsorship deals and general viewer interest Pretty sure foreigners have never really made up a significant portion of the BW Player Base in Korea (unless you count 1 or 2 B-Teamers as "a significant portion of the player base"). As long as the amateur BW scene in Korea stays strong (it has so far and likely will in the future) there is no real risk to the future player base. If anything the future player base for SC2 in Korea looks shaky and questionable. Lots of top professionals are complaining about the lack of tournaments (probably thanks to GOM's monopoly) and how they only really have one domestic tournament to compete in. Without a professional league infrastructure backing players with salaries BW will remain the more stable option for professional gamers within Korea. In the west things are different, obviously, because SC2 has completely ran over the already declining foreign Brood War scene. Western prize pools for Star2 that are minuscule compared to Pro-league salaries aren't going to effect Korean BW at all or at least not as much as you seem to think. Prize pools getting larger in the west won't have much effect on players who earn a stable paycheck playing the game domestically. On May 12 2011 02:24 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: Did you jump ship from BW yet? How many people around the world watch restreams of major BW tournaments, even considering how niche and closed of Korean BW is from the rest of the world. If BW is as special as you imply it is, then putting a little effort towards trying to expand the market couldn't hurt. Worst case scenario they fall back to where they are now. Korean BW has always been a tiny niche market at best in the rest of the world. I'm pretty sure Proleague finals get more viewers in Korea alone than any SC2 tournament ever has. The stuffs actually pretty mainstream there.  | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Good to hear that the situation seems like it's settling out in a reasonable middle-ground. | ||
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Novac
Denmark23 Posts
I love Brood War and I try to watch it as often as I can, but if you compare it to SC2 it is impossible to follow. Everything is on a day by day basis with forum posts and there is very little information about the state of the leagues as whole such as brackets etc. (I am aware that league recaps are also available as forum posts, but then those have virtually no correlation the the individual matches). It is very fragmented and difficult to follow and it is nearly impossible to see the matches without getting spoilers because you have to search for it on youtube and the TL database is not properly equipped for searching for a collection of matches from the team leagues for instance. The "BW VODs" section gathers all matches from team leagues but when it gets pushed from the front page the correlation between the matches are lost again. Basically it is hard to get an overview of what is happening or even an explanation for how the leagues work, most of it is just assumed knowledge which makes it hard for new people to get into. If you are a week behind on watching the games it takes a day to get a spoiler free collection of games from the team matches because you either have to find the forum post and hope that you haven't missed something or go through the list yourself at which point - as a minimum - the number of games in a match is spoiled and sometimes the outcome. I have tried numerous times to get new people to watch Brood War but the time and effort required is simply to much for people. I even tried doing something about it myself by creating a webpage or something on TL but everytime I try 12 million unanswered questions appear about league structure, players, schedules etc. First of all I don't understand why the correlation between games available in the BW VODs section has to vanish when it gets bumped from the front page. And secondly I don't understand why forum posts are exclusively used for match lists as opposed to gathering everything on a wiki page or something similar. SC1 could be 5 times bigger than it is now if it was as newbie friendly to watch as SC2 is. Well this turned into a rant but I hope people who actually read it understands that I don't want to complain about the efforts of all the people who work hard to give Brood War fans their daily dose, I just wish that it was more structured so more people could enjoy it. Lately it seems that when people talk about e-Sports moving forward they are just talking about SC2 and I think that is a crying shame and quite frankly a bit arrogant. | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
On May 15 2011 19:02 Novac wrote: This is great news, I really hope they work it out. I love Brood War and I try to watch it as often as I can, but if you compare it to SC2 it is impossible to follow. Everything is on a day by day basis with forum posts and there is very little information about the state of the leagues as whole such as brackets etc. (I am aware that league recaps are also available as forum posts, but then those have virtually no correlation the the individual matches). It is very fragmented and difficult to follow and it is nearly impossible to see the matches without getting spoilers because you have to search for it on youtube and the TL database is not properly equipped for searching for a collection of matches from the team leagues for instance. The "BW VODs" section gathers all matches from team leagues but when it gets pushed from the front page the correlation between the matches are lost again. Basically it is hard to get an overview of what is happening or even an explanation for how the leagues work, most of it is just assumed knowledge which makes it hard for new people to get into. If you are a week behind on watching the games it takes a day to get a spoiler free collection of games from the team matches because you either have to find the forum post and hope that you haven't missed something or go through the list yourself at which point - as a minimum - the number of games in a match is spoiled and sometimes the outcome. I have tried numerous times to get new people to watch Brood War but the time and effort required is simply to much for people. I even tried doing something about it myself by creating a webpage or something on TL but everytime I try 12 million unanswered questions appear about league structure, players, schedules etc. First of all I don't understand why the correlation between games available in the BW VODs section has to vanish when it gets bumped from the front page. And secondly I don't understand why forum posts are exclusively used for match lists as opposed to gathering everything on a wiki page or something similar. SC1 could be 5 times bigger than it is now if it was as newbie friendly to watch as SC2 is. Well this turned into a rant but I hope people who actually read it understands that I don't want to complain about the efforts of all the people who work hard to give Brood War fans their daily dose, I just wish that it was more structured so more people could enjoy it. Lately it seems that when people talk about e-Sports moving forward they are just talking about SC2 and I think that is a crying shame and quite frankly a bit arrogant. It's impossible for a newcomer outside Korea to get into BW because Kespa has never made any attempt to expand the game outside of Korea. When has Kespa ever reached out to the foreign scene? Of course you won't be able to get into a game at this point when the only access to the game you have is a restream with Korean commentators. Gom on the other hand are not perfect by any means but have done a great job interacting with the foreign scene and making the Korean scene MUCH more accessible to newcomers than Kespa ever did. That plus GSL really paved the way for all the tourneys that you see nowadays. BW is an awesome game to watch but sadly in the foreign community its dead at this point. That's why when people talk about e-sports they talk about SC2. Nothing to do with the games themselves but rather the state of the communities. | ||
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