KeSPA and Blizzard near an agreement. - Page 4

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United States8167 Posts

May 09 2011 22:09 GMT

#61

this is good news I guess. it was pretty inevitable I think since blizzard's argument just wouldnt float (I mean the basis for their whole argument is that they own the rights to all things made with their game, right? basically they own the rights to every game ever played of BW?).

this thread just once again reminds me that fucking sc2 still exists -_- lol. man i minimize as much sc2 stuff as i can but it's hard to not be reminded that it exists

. sometimes i wish bw/sc2 TL would just split up to 2 different sites lol. i guess its just a lot of personal feelings i have about the game and stuff though. i suppose somehow some people "like" both games....

Takkara

United States2503 Posts

May 09 2011 22:10 GMT

#62

Much better OP than the SDM article made for. Glad to hear the controversies are working themselves out. Love watching BW and SC2. I can't get enough of either, and don't want either of them to go away til there is nothing left.

OPL3SA2

United States378 Posts

May 09 2011 22:12 GMT

#63

Thanks for the news Milkis, but I have one question, and it comes from someone without a big understanding of the situation (in fact, I think you are aiming this article at people like me):

What does all of this mean? News is news, and facts are facts, and I appreciate keeping perspective out of the official news post, but could you please explain what sort of effect this is going to have on the BW community. Positive, negative, neutral?

Thanks

bokchoi

Korea (South)9498 Posts

May 09 2011 22:14 GMT

#64

AMAZING NEWS! Now we don't have to worry about future OSL, MSL, Proleagues, etc. Hopefully this brings some sponsors back into BW who may have shyed away due to the KeSPA-Blizzard dispute.

Seraphic

United States3849 Posts

May 09 2011 22:24 GMT

#65

finally something good happens in all of this. be a damn shame for this to drag out any longer.

Already loling at some people saying SC2 doesn't need the Koreans...

shannn

Netherlands2891 Posts

May 09 2011 22:35 GMT

#66

For the sc2 people I just wonder 1 thing.

Will we finally get LAN? Atleast for the competetive scene like GSL/TSL/NASL/MLG/IEM.
What will OGN/MBC and KeSPA do with sc2?

I'm glad that BW can live on without doing anything illegal (from Blizzard's view).

F1rstAssau1t

1341 Posts

May 09 2011 22:36 GMT

#67

So at the end the big bully of Blizzard made it to take money that they dont deserve. Im not a big fan of KeSPA either but what Blizzard is asking for is totally insane.

Pleiades

United States472 Posts

May 09 2011 22:45 GMT

#68

? Blizzard made the game, and they don't deserve money for some other party using it as a marketing venture?

I'm still glad this situation is resolved, but I still think that KeSPA has too much power over it's players.

As for people asking for Blizzard's main argument in the case, I think it was more about KeSPA receiving money from the broadcasting companies for fees that Blizzard feel KeSPA had no right to charge the broadcasting companies for. The ownership of derivative works was just a ploy to strengthen their argument since it was the actual content being broadcasted.

Clbull

United Kingdom1439 Posts

May 09 2011 22:53 GMT

#69

I know you said keep SC2 league discussion to a minimum but I think there are a few subtle clues that the e-sports scene in South Korea is about to get much bigger in terms of Starcraft II.

An e-Sports insider has said that this was a result of a request Mike Morhaime and other Blizzard higher ups made to KeSPA. KeSPA's executive officer said that while they are not able to reveal anything in detail at this point in time, there will be good news very soon.

Now StarCraft II is hardly "failing" in South Korea although it's nowhere near as popular as its predecessor. But at the moment, many moderately to hugely popular StarCraft II leagues have popped up in both EU, NA and SEA regions, a few of those being the following:

- North American Star League (NASL)
- IGN Pro League (IPL)
- Major League Gaming (MLG) which has existed for many years with other games, particularly the Halo series but is fast becoming a huge SC2 event.
- World Cyber Games (WCG) which is discontinuing StarCraft: Brood War and adopting StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty as its main RTS title featured.
- Taiwan e-Sports League (TeSL)
- TeamLiquid Star League (TSL)
- StarsWar
- Dreamhack

However, there is only one league operational in Korea, the nation which was placed on the map in the first place as the utopia for e-sports and which harboured the best of the best for both Brood War and early StarCraft II.

In fact, if this isn't stereotyped so much, then how come the GSL World Championship involved Team World All-Stars vs Team Korea in both a team league and a 16 player invitational tournament?

Back to my point. Maybe for the sake of e-sports in South Korea, Blizzard may be seriously considering re-negoitations between them, Gretech, KeSPA, MBCGame and Ongamenet. Because giving one channel an exlusivity deal to host a televised StarCraft II league has clearly failed to sweep South Korea into a huge frenzy over SC2.

I think until they allow the competitors (MBCGame, KeSPA and Ongamenet) to establish StarCraft II leagues as well, then the game will not flourish in South Korea.

kevva

Sweden86 Posts

May 09 2011 22:54 GMT

#70

On May 10 2011 07:45 Pleiades wrote:
? Blizzard made the game, and they don't deserve money for some other party using it as a marketing venture?.

Blizzard didn't care ten years ago until now. Just sayin'.

toni0z

3 Posts

May 09 2011 22:59 GMT

#71

On May 10 2011 07:45 Pleiades wrote:
? Blizzard made the game, and they don't deserve money for some other party using it as a marketing venture?

I'm still glad this situation is resolved, but I still think that KeSPA has too much power over it's players.

As for people asking for Blizzard's main argument in the case, I think it was more about KeSPA receiving money from the broadcasting companies for fees that Blizzard feel KeSPA had no right to charge the broadcasting companies for. The ownership of derivative works was just a ploy to strengthen their argument since it was the actual content being broadcasted.

Its not just starcraft games. It's a starcraft game between amazing players that were only produced and cultivated through a system and infrastructure that was created by KeSPA, at a rather high cost and with complete risk falling to KeSPA. Blizzard coming along after the fact with its hands out acting like a partner is shady especially under the conditions KeSPA claims. Also its easy to see the amount of interest KeSPA sparked worldwide in Brood War years ago when they created their starcraft leagues. Also the esports scene (largely formed by KeSPA, correct me if I'm wrong) did much to hype up the release of SC2 probably boosting its sales by a considerable amount. If you think KeSPA doesn't deserve anything then you're crazy, look at all the sports associations struggling to survive, its a miracle in my eyes that a video game league is thriving. Ask yourself is Blizzard would give a damn about esports were it not for Korea's success.

hifriend

China7935 Posts

May 09 2011 23:03 GMT

#72

Looks like we can be looking forward to many years of OSL/MSL/PL yet.

This + Effort coming back, finally some good news for brood war fans. :D

Pleiades

United States472 Posts

May 09 2011 23:08 GMT

#73

I'm not arguing about KeSPA and Korea's involvement in e-sports growth, it's more about the method of money transaction of the parties involved using another's own product.

I'm also not going into the argument of why Blizzard took no immediate action until several years ago. The only thing I have to say about this part is, something had to of change in the way e-sports in Korea was handled for Blizzard to get involved.

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 09 2011 23:11 GMT

#74

Hooray! Hopefully this signals a detente in this extended staring contest.

snailz

Croatia900 Posts

May 09 2011 23:18 GMT

#75

thing is, if it wasnt for s.korea/kespa, blizzard would not have anywhere to try and milk money out of, so its ridiculous they can keep up with that "its our game" attitude. u should be happy they made your game BIG(ger than it would have been) and enjoy your name being celebrated and held in high regard (cuz it will bring you income in the future), instead of greedy short-term "we want your money and we want it now" thinking

oh, capitalism

edit: also kelly

Kibibit

United States1551 Posts

May 09 2011 23:27 GMT

#76

If nothing else, it's a giant sigh of relief. Some people may have not worried, but these are two of the most bullheaded, stubborn companies you'll find. This definitely alleviates my fears.

toni0z

3 Posts

May 09 2011 23:27 GMT

#77

On May 10 2011 08:08 Pleiades wrote:
I'm not arguing about KeSPA and Korea's involvement in e-sports growth, it's more about the method of money transaction of the parties involved using another's own product.

I'm also not going into the argument of why Blizzard took no immediate action until several years ago. The only thing I have to say about this part is, something had to of change in the way e-sports in Korea was handled for Blizzard to get involved.

Well the NFL sell's the rights to it's broadcast even though (correct me if I'm wrong) they don't pay licensing fees to the inventor of football. An NFL production and the game of football itself are completely different things like a game of starcraft on Bnet and an OSL production are. It'd be ridiculous if Adidas went to FIFA and demanded control over games where their balls were used, in fact its the other way around Adidas gives money to FIFA for their brand to be used and advertised. Don't you think KeSPA added a massive intangible value to the game of starcraft through what they've achieved similarly to the way adidas soccer balls probably sell so much more since being in professional/international events produced through FIFA? Obviously this analogy isn't completely relevant due to the difference of a video game and a sport but it still holds value in my opinion. Exactly why do people not like KeSPA? (serious question)

Ocedic

United States1808 Posts

May 09 2011 23:29 GMT

#78

I hope people stop arguing over the matter, especially since it has been resolved by the two parties. Whether you think who's right or wrong, can we just agree that this is a good outcome for the fans? Brood War remains, and with Kespa/Blizzard relations improving, SC2 expanding in KOrea is a possibility.

Zooper31

United States5712 Posts

May 09 2011 23:31 GMT

#79

So basically this agreement is basically what Blizzard wanted? KeSPA to pay them a yearly broadcasting fee to show BW. Only details is whether its the $100,000 Blizzard wanted or alot less. I'm gonna assume alot less because why else would they randomly decide to accept a deal they've been denouncing this whole time.

Milkis

5003 Posts

May 09 2011 23:32 GMT

#80

On May 10 2011 08:31 Zooper31 wrote:
So basically this agreement is basically what Blizzard wanted? KeSPA to pay them a yearly broadcasting fee to show BW. Only details is whether its the $100,000 Blizzard wanted or alot less. I'm gonna assume alot less because why else would they randomly decide to accept a deal they've been denouncing this whole time.

Nah, Blizzard wanted 100% ownership of derivative works amongst other things.

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