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On May 10 2011 10:13 gregnog wrote:
How is it "good news" for esports in Korea? This is definitely bad news for E-sports, especially when thinking about trying to integrate the Korean scene with the rest of the world. Now Korea will just spend several more years playing a game that nobody else plays, no new sponsors, no new fans...
Hopefully Starcraft 2 catches on in Korea eventually
The Korean scene is already integrated with the rest of the world...no idea what you're talking about. Tons of Korean players and teams participate regularly in foreign tournaments. In terms of sponsors, Korean businesses, or Korean branches of international businesses, have already begun to sponsor SC2 proteams along with SC:BW proteams. Heard of SlayerS? They're sponsored by Intel.
Starcraft 2 has already caught on in Korea. It's definitely not as popular as BW, but to say it hasn't caught on is wrong.
SC:BW is a vibrant scene and there's absolutely nothing wrong with BW lasting for several more years. Especially when it's an amazing game to play and spectate.
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On May 10 2011 10:13 gregnog wrote:
How is it "good news" for esports in Korea? This is definitely bad news for E-sports, especially when thinking about trying to integrate the Korean scene with the rest of the world. Now Korea will just spend several more years playing a game that nobody else plays, no new sponsors, no new fans...
Hopefully Starcraft 2 catches on in Korea eventually
It's wonderful news. What you don't understand is that the mexican standoff that was going on before meant that, in theory, either BW or SC2 in Korea had to die, full stop. What an agreement means is that it's now likely that the two games can coexist without the lawsuit and overarching conflict hanging over their heads.
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On May 10 2011 05:20 Kipsate wrote:
Nevertheless, today is a good day.
nobody we know got killed in south central LA
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ya so I guess the new sponsor for this MSL and most likely for the new OSL is just invisible to you huh gregnog?
I'm just massively amazed by people who randomly make claims about this and don't even pay attention to the current situation.
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Kespa still have iron grip upon progamers and the team 
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good Im glad for everyone this seems to be wrapping up
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On May 10 2011 10:50 skullhoof wrote:Kespa still have iron grip upon progamers and the team
Tell me how is KeSPA iron gripping now? Progamers are free to come and go. Granted that they have their own flaws, they aren't saints., but you cant undermine them by just focusing on the areas they lack.
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On May 10 2011 11:06 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 10:50 skullhoof wrote:Kespa still have iron grip upon progamers and the team Tell me how is KeSPA iron gripping now? Progamers are free to come and go. Granted that they have their own flaws, they aren't saints., but you cant undermine them by just focusing on the areas they lack.
why won't you let me hate KeSPA like I used to before this debacle.
I no longer feel guilt everytime I curse at KeSPA.
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Huge thanks Milkis for taking the time to make it all more organized and clear, and very good news at last, long live BW.
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On May 10 2011 11:18 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 11:06 aimaimaim wrote:On May 10 2011 10:50 skullhoof wrote:Kespa still have iron grip upon progamers and the team Tell me how is KeSPA iron gripping now? Progamers are free to come and go. Granted that they have their own flaws, they aren't saints., but you cant undermine them by just focusing on the areas they lack. why won't you let me hate KeSPA like I used to before this debacle. I no longer feel guilt everytime I curse at KeSPA.
Some people spew shit they dont even have idea on. Sure, I hate what they did to JD among other things but that doesn't warrant blind hate like they didn't have something to do with the idea that we all probably love.
E-Sport
Sure, they stole it from broadcasting companies but none here could say that some of what they did wasn't for the betterment of the scene.
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Thanks for the write up Milkis!
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On May 10 2011 10:13 gregnog wrote:
How is it "good news" for esports in Korea? This is definitely bad news for E-sports, especially when thinking about trying to integrate the Korean scene with the rest of the world. Now Korea will just spend several more years playing a game that nobody else plays, no new sponsors, no new fans...
Hopefully Starcraft 2 catches on in Korea eventually
Oh it will, it's only a matter of time.
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given this, it looks liek OGN made a strategic blunder in delaying their OSL. A season of only MSL + programs like BNET ATTACK has converted my viewing habits from OGN --> MBC to MBC --> OGN.
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On May 10 2011 10:13 gregnog wrote:
How is it "good news" for esports in Korea? This is definitely bad news for E-sports, especially when thinking about trying to integrate the Korean scene with the rest of the world. Now Korea will just spend several more years playing a game that nobody else plays, no new sponsors, no new fans...
Hopefully Starcraft 2 catches on in Korea eventually
In that case, fuck esports, because bw is an amazing game.
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On May 10 2011 11:25 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 11:18 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 10 2011 11:06 aimaimaim wrote:On May 10 2011 10:50 skullhoof wrote:Kespa still have iron grip upon progamers and the team Tell me how is KeSPA iron gripping now? Progamers are free to come and go. Granted that they have their own flaws, they aren't saints., but you cant undermine them by just focusing on the areas they lack. why won't you let me hate KeSPA like I used to before this debacle. I no longer feel guilt everytime I curse at KeSPA. Some people spew shit they dont even have idea on. Sure, I hate what they did to JD among other things but that doesn't warrant blind hate like they didn't have something to do with the idea that we all probably love. E-SportSure, they stole it from broadcasting companies but none here could say that some of what they did wasn't for the betterment of the scene.
you don't understand the kind of hate I feel.its much smaller than E-sports related shit,its more about how they treat their progamers.
I have every Idea of whats going on,I choose to ignore most of it.
I will undermine KeSPA,by focusing on what they lack until they lack none.
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Kespa is just a monopoly organisation, they have total control over BW esport in korea. Compare to SC2, anyone can held any tournaments as long as they permision. SC2 players can play in any tournament they want to without getting permission from Blizzard or Gom.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=221362
"Q: On SC2, are you starting to see a ramp up in interest in Korea as more of the professional players shift toward the newer version, give us an update on the professional market there.
Michael Morhaime: The Korean E-Sports ... our partner, GOMTV, is running GSL, it continues to be very popular ... but we are seeing that SC1 has maintained popularity, and so the transition to SC2 has been slower than we anticipated."
Haha.
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On May 10 2011 08:55 Suisen wrote:
Koreans take Kespa for granted. They don't realize the huge benefits of an unifying body brings. Instead, they focus on players being DQed for not following a set of strict rules put in place to protect the integrity of the games. Like not pausing, no talking, etc.
Imagine how all this would have turned out without Kespa. There would have been nothing to oppose Blizzard.
The idea and people that ultimately led to Kespa hugely professionalized esports in a time where professional esports didn't exist yet. Also, the security and stability Kespa brought to the BW scene led to the big corporate sponsors funding the teams. They knew their investments would be safe as they knew things would go on beyond the current season.
Also, a huge reason for Kespa was to get around income tax on prize money. This is actually huge and was done in cooperation with the Korean government. Later on they changed the law a bit, but at that time Kespa as a unifying body made for the legal ground to not have to part with half of your prize money.
All the anti-Kespa talk only began after Blizzard made their move. Many foreigners cared a lot about English commentary as the announcement of SC2 drew new people who knew little about SC BW strategy. And English commentary of SC BW GSL helped them. This is the only thing they watched and when it stopped 'because of Kespa' they were very angry.
This is how anti-Kespa rhetoric started and how people made up myths that Kespa had nothing to do with the creation of professional esports.
KeSPA's funny rules are only peripheral issues when it comes down to what KeSPA has done for Korean e-Sports scene. But since we are on this subject, let me just say that getting players DQed for typing "pp" instead of "ppp" / "ㅎㅎ" instead of "gg"/ "a" by mistake / leaving during countdown by mistake, does not in my opinion, protect the integrity of the games.
I am clueless as to where people get the idea that KeSPA led to corporate sponsorship, professionalized e-Sports etc. Professional e-Sports did exist before KeSPA was formed. Corporate sponsorship did exist before KeSPA. Progamers were paid more as e-Sports grew over time but KeSPA did not contribute to that.
To say that KeSPA brought security or stability to BW scene and led to something is simply not true. The major disruption in BW scene in 2007 was a direct result of KeSPA's actions. OGN/MBC had their leagues up and running without disruptions until then.
Rise of e-Sports led to leagues in OGN/MBC, which led to creation of pro teams similar to current form, and KeSPA was formed by those teams from KPGA.
Also, tax issue was resolved in late 2000 during KPGA before it became KeSPA (Technically, while KPGA was called 21CPGL for a year).
And anti-KeSPA talk started when KeSPA decided they owned broadcasting rights to BW and demanded that OGN/MBC buy from them or else.
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On May 10 2011 09:28 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 09:07 NHY wrote:On May 10 2011 09:01 masterbreti wrote:On May 10 2011 08:55 NHY wrote:On May 10 2011 08:41 masterbreti wrote:
KeSPA has done nothing but good for esports. I really don't see why there is hate against KeSPA. Look at how they have given progamers such great chances, and to make a crapton of money. I don't see anything wrong with KeSPA imho The thing is, KeSPA had nothing to do with creation and promotion of Korean e-sports scene. They arguably had negative impacts on the scene. I have not had any bad experinces or known any bad experinces with KeSPA. I have worked with them in the past and they have been amazing. I'm sure they are wonderful in some respects. Tell me what are these negative impacts on the scene? I can tell the positive effects on the e-sport scene .. like creating the e-sport scene. or or or .. paying salaries to players that are loved by the fans. Organizing leagues Balancing maps for non stagnant gameplay
None of those thing are done by KeSPA.
Edit: I forgot that map balancing teams are now part of KeSPA so thats out.
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thanks for the write up. Amazing news! Long Live BW!!!
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