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http://rapidshare.com/files/185248762/vso_pvz_1.rep.html The PvZ against the 62-20 B zerg.
A few things to note about the replay ----- the 2 gate pressure is just designed to force him to build drones instead of lings early, while my economy continues to grow even while massing zeals.
I then QUICKLY get +1 weapons and speed zeals, while teching to sairs as scout. When you see that he has mutas coming for sure it is a very good idea to build 4-5 more corsairs. in groups of 4+ they can kill scourges before they even get to them and help tons vs his mutas. My mass zeals in the beginning were simply meant to slow down his tech and economy, and honestly they couldve been used a lot better but I still pulled it off even with my rusty micro and rusty timing.
Once you have +1 weapons and speed, zealots are a completely different unit, they kill zerglings in 1 less shot, and also HYDRAS in 1 less shot, making them much much more deadly to zerg..
http://rapidshare.com/files/185251761/sang_pvz1.rep.html
IMO this is a very good replay for teaching how to play PvZ. 95% of it depends on what your scout probe sees. I saw he was making early hydralisks with no other tech or economy. That means he is going to try to kill you early... cannon on your ramp or you can easily die to it if the zerg times it right.,... I then scouted his lair building late, so I knew it was time for +1weapon speed zeals, knew he would have mostly zergling/hydra army, which +1 speed zeals absolutely walks over. By the time his lurkers were finished, it was too late, obs were on the way as well. perhaps one of the best games I've played so far from a strategy/mental standpoint.
http://rapidshare.com/files/185253029/livesay_pvt1.rep.html
This strat has served me since 03' and it's still serving me today. One thing to mention off the bat is that it ONLY WORKS IF TERRAN DOES NOT WALL. you need to scout them and if you see wall, abandon this strategy and play normal game.... if no wall however, this strat is extremely deadly even against very good terrans. Watch the build order closely, you will see how aggressive it is, low probes all goons, range as SOON as cyb core finishes, 2 more goons building as soon as first goon finishes, you sacrifice early economy in order to have the fastest possible 5 ranged goons, which then without a wall you can seriously mess him up with, especially with 2 more on the way every minute.
These are the only ones I have on this comp atm because I played at my dad's house today. When I go back to my main comp (tomorrow) I will upload some good ones, and i'll even upload my old games vs nony or other oldschoolers if anyones interested, me and nony played over 50+ games and I have at least 20-30 PvP win reps vs him, as well as many other off race matchups and etc.
They are still relevant today, PvP has not changed that much and we were both very good PvP players.
thanks guys good luck to all playing.
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Saddles...are you a legend of channel x17?
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ICCUP this late is ridiculously easy, especially in your particular timezone where most Koreans wont be on. If you think the competition is pretty strong now just you wait until the beginning of the next season.
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On January 18 2009 14:26 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
ICCUP this late is ridiculously easy, especially in your particular timezone where most Koreans wont be on. If you think the competition is pretty strong now just you wait until the beginning of the next season.
so far ive played 90% of my games between 1:00 am - 10:00 am in the middle of the night, playing mostly koreans, chinese, and europeans.
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On January 18 2009 14:24 Hot_Bid wrote:
I actually approve of this kinda and his blog, this is more concrete and glad you are changing your perspective a bit on ICCup. Regardless, B is very hard and far away, good luck.
food tone it down, he isn't insulting anyone or making wild comments, I see his thoughts here as pretty self-aware and accurate (even though I might disagree about him getting to B). He posted reps and even took the time to describe them, it's pretty good. Coming in and calling him "garbage" is stupid and a quick way to get banned, consider yourself warned.
i dont mean garbage in a bad way believe it or not, i said he is better then me so im being really critical
he listed some good players who are possibly close to semi-pro level
i am not trying to insult him in any way, im sure he understands it( i used to play east/nooks back in the day, its how the conversation goes normally)
guess my post history isn't attractive, i will have to shut up
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I think listing all the players you have played against that are higher than the rank you are currently playing at isn't really helping you, that is how it is for everyone you know, it's not like people with good records seek you out. Oh and that K_mass dude is not B in any recent iccup season, I can guarantee it. I say he is C max. maybe he could reach C+ if he dodged koreans but he is not even close to B.
Otherwise I got to admit you reached C faster than i would have thought. GL on climbing higher, if you manage to stabilize on C+ I would be impressed even though you said you would reach B.
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oh ok..you meant garbage in a good way
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On January 18 2009 14:09 CDRdude wrote:
What do you think about modern mutalisk micro? Have you tried offracing, to see what other new strats are like from different perspectives?
modern mutalisk micro to me is as strong as GOOD zergs used to do it back in the day.
It just seems that now even the average and above average zergs are microing their mutas very well, as before it was only the best zergs who were microing them that well.
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On January 18 2009 14:32 JoeSaddles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2009 14:09 CDRdude wrote:
What do you think about modern mutalisk micro? Have you tried offracing, to see what other new strats are like from different perspectives? modern mutalisk micro to me is as strong as GOOD zergs used to do it back in the day. It just seems that now even the average and above average zergs are microing their mutas very well, as before it was only the best zergs who were microing them that well.
Last night I killed 4 archons with 11 muta, to stop a 4 archon/zealot timing push, and win the game. Nobody on earth was doing that in 04 sorry, and I'm not even dope at it. Your just playing at the levels that nobody cares about .... move up the rank and you'll see whats mutas are like 
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Lol a clinic on how to play PvZ?
Dude you really shouldn't be giving clinics on how to play PvZ 3 days after telling everyone FE was stupid and impossible to pull off
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On January 18 2009 14:54 -orb- wrote:
Lol a clinic on how to play PvZ?
Dude you really shouldn't be giving clinics on how to play PvZ 3 days after telling everyone FE was stupid and impossible to pull off
heh,
I like how instead of uploading his whole replay pack like most real gamers would, he picks select ones and gives us his 'opinions' on strategy .... at c- =(.
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heh
i like how you missed the part where he says those are the only games h has on his dad's comp and how he'll upload more when he gets back to his main comp
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On January 18 2009 14:57 whatusername wrote:
heh
i like how you missed the part where he says those are the only games h has on his dad's comp and how he'll upload more when he gets back to his main comp
I have a folder called autoreplay, that I uploaded when I was asked too.
Its not too hard, it actually takes longer to give detailed explainations for each replay....
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On January 18 2009 14:50 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2009 14:32 JoeSaddles wrote:On January 18 2009 14:09 CDRdude wrote:
What do you think about modern mutalisk micro? Have you tried offracing, to see what other new strats are like from different perspectives? modern mutalisk micro to me is as strong as GOOD zergs used to do it back in the day. It just seems that now even the average and above average zergs are microing their mutas very well, as before it was only the best zergs who were microing them that well. Last night I killed 4 archons with 11 muta, to stop a 4 archon/zealot timing push, and win the game. Nobody on earth was doing that in 04 sorry, and I'm not even dope at it. Your just playing at the levels that nobody cares about .... move up the rank and you'll see whats mutas are like
this kind of response makes no sense...
1. there is no way 11 mutas would ever beat 4 archons if the protoss has half a brain and knows how to micro them... 2 archons yah, but not 4.
2. i've seen some very good zerg micro in my day in lots of live games, rs.day[9] had insane micro for ALL his units, and satanik among others had really really good muta micro.... can't remember exactly which zerg I played had the best muta micro but I remember playing zergs who were absolutely ridiculous with them
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On January 18 2009 14:54 -orb- wrote:
Lol a clinic on how to play PvZ?
Dude you really shouldn't be giving clinics on how to play PvZ 3 days after telling everyone FE was stupid and impossible to pull off
I never said anything close to that.. I said if zerg knows 100% chance it's coming he has a very good chance to beat it.. which is true.
In the finals of a recent tourney the pro P FE'd, the pro Z 6 pooled cuz he knew it was coming, and crippled him enough to WIN the game. that's all i said was possible....
please dont turn the thread into a flame fest anyway, im just here to post reps and talk strategy about brood war, not argue.
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what really makes FE that dangerous is that if you know the zerg is only gonna try to stop it by 6 pool, which can indeed stop it, you just mix it up and 9/10 gate one game, and it's a free win if the zerg did end up 6 pooling. and it's not a bad opening even if he didn't.
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oh and about your mentioning of hand-speed JoeSaddles, it's not uncommon for Koreans to have 300apm nowdays and in fact quite a number of non-Koreans have 300+apm too. (castro, paranoid and fenix are the most known 300~ apm players)
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On January 18 2009 15:01 JoeSaddles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2009 14:50 AttackZerg wrote:On January 18 2009 14:32 JoeSaddles wrote:On January 18 2009 14:09 CDRdude wrote:
What do you think about modern mutalisk micro? Have you tried offracing, to see what other new strats are like from different perspectives? modern mutalisk micro to me is as strong as GOOD zergs used to do it back in the day. It just seems that now even the average and above average zergs are microing their mutas very well, as before it was only the best zergs who were microing them that well. Last night I killed 4 archons with 11 muta, to stop a 4 archon/zealot timing push, and win the game. Nobody on earth was doing that in 04 sorry, and I'm not even dope at it. Your just playing at the levels that nobody cares about .... move up the rank and you'll see whats mutas are like this kind of response makes no sense... 1. there is no way 11 mutas would ever beat 4 archons if the protoss has half a brain and knows how to micro them... 2 archons yah, but not 4. 2. i've seen some very good zerg micro in my day in LIVE games, rs.day[9] had insane micro for ALL his units, definitely comparable.
Actually yes mutas > archons esp on destination in at the third base.
You are not a good player so do not ever speak down to me about broodwar.
I've known day since before he was good and as he got good, Day was never a world class zerg either. Very good and very smart and over 300 apm since 2004, but not world class.
You played in a useast bubble and thought the people you played with were good. Fact is you were never good, and you weren't playing against koreans like the rest of the decent gamers were back in 2003-2004.
I'll say it again, there was nobody on earth who could do what we do with mutas now back in 2004.
You aren't playing good players , so don't act like you know about the game yet.
(P.s the trick to killing 4 archons to to begin killing them as they leave protoss base, by halfway across the map , you can have 1 killed, every time protoss is on a bridge you can bring 1 archon below 30% health without taking a hit, and also using zealots to riochet shots onto them, since mutas will always bounce left if the gauve worm can, a sunken line also makes it easy to get archons to move forward and then back ... but you know all this because your a c- gosu right?)
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Osaka27174 Posts
Jesus.
Yes, Saddles came in and said some stupid shit the other day. However, he has come back, made a blog with the title that THE COMPETITION IS PRETTY STRONG and made an effort to talk about his progress.
Can you guys get off his fucking back?
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