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JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-18 19:29:07
January 18 2009 04:23 GMT
#1
OK so I'm on my 4'th day back, having lots of fun coming back to BW. I think within another 10-15 days of practice I'll definitely keep improving.

So far I've played some pretty amazing players who do not belong at C and C- rank, but i guess they have just not ranked up yet. Here are a few I played and had good games against but LOST....


http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/davidjoy_cn.html 45-2 beat me twice in very very close PvT games. I probably should have won these games as I had the advantage early in both games, but I failed =p

http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/s2.practice.html around 20-0, pretty sure I lost PvZ
http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/klldw.html around 55-19 dont remember exact game


Heres a few decent players I've played against and won, who also belong higher than C rank.

http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/vsofra.html 60-20 I won a 13 minute PvZ. probably my best game of the last 4 days. or at least against the best competition.

http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/ilove.duke.html some random 25-2 american, beat him in a 12 minute game, called me a newb and said no re >_<

like 4 or 5 other 45-19 type koreans, who would prob max out around b- or so.


My experience on ICCUP so far has been very fun. Most of my oldschool strategies are still effective on certain maps, however on these new maps I have had to adapt. I'm learning FE PVZ and trying to perfect it.

I'm still lost in PvT, it's my worst matchup and honestly I'm considering learning how to properly ZvT -_-;

I'm still very strong at PvP, tho PvP is prob the one matchup that has NOT changed much at all since I left.



these are just a few of my experiences so far with some good players, ive played many more games and am still shaking the rust off, so far so good. Reps available for all the above games if anyones interested.

thanks guys and good luck in all games.!!!
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=24848hk3.jpg


edited: to add REPS


reps http://rapidshare.com/files/185248762/vso_pvz_1.rep.html The PvZ against the 62-20 B zerg.
A few things to note about the replay ----- the 2 gate pressure is just designed to force him to build drones instead of lings early, while my economy continues to grow even while massing zeals.
I then QUICKLY get +1 weapons and speed zeals, while teching to sairs as scout.When you see that he has mutas coming for sure it is a very good idea to build 4-5 more corsairs. in groups of 4+ they can kill scourges before they even get to them and help tons vs his mutas. My mass zeals in the beginning were simply meant to slow down his tech and economy, and honestly they couldve been used a lot better but I still pulled it off even with my rusty micro and rusty timing.

Once you have +1 weapons and speed, zealots are a completely different unit, they kill zerglings in 1 less shot, and also HYDRAS in 1 less shot, making them much much more deadly to zerg..


http://rapidshare.com/files/185251761/sang_pvz1.rep.html

IMO this is a very good replay for teaching non FE PvZ. 95% of it depends on what your scout probe sees. I saw he was making early hydralisks with no other tech or economy. That means he is going to try to kill you very early. so I build cannon at ramp. I scouted his lair building late and low amount of sunkens, so I knew it was time for +1weapon speed zeals, knew he would have mostly zergling/hydra army, which +1 speed zeals absolutely walks over. By the time his lurkers were finished, it was too late, obs were on the way as well. perhaps one of the best games I've played so far from a strategy/mental standpoint. Not a very competitive game from his side, but I think I played pretty well in it


http://rapidshare.com/files/185253029/livesay_pvt1.rep.html
This strat has served me since 03' and it's still serving me today. One thing to mention off the bat is that it ONLY WORKS IF TERRAN DOES NOT WALL. you need to scout them and if you see wall, abandon this strategy and play normal game.... if no wall however, this strat is extremely deadly even against very good terrans. Watch the build order closely, you will see how aggressive it is, low probes all goons, range as SOON as cyb core finishes, 2 more goons building as soon as first goon finishes, you sacrifice early economy in order to have the fastest possible 5 ranged goons, which then without a wall you can seriously mess him up with, especially with 2 more on the way every minute. Do not knock this build until you try it against terrans who don't wall. Another thing terran can do to stop it is build 6-7 marines but if he does this his tanks will be much slower... you can just go reaver and have an advantage

These are the only decent ones I have on this comp atm because I played at my dad's house today. When I go back to my main comp (tomorrow) I will upload some good ones, and i'll even upload my old games vs nony if anyones interested, have like 75+ pvps with him... and PvP is the one matchup that has not changed much since 04'


thanks guys good luck to all playing.Last edit: 2009-01-18 14:27:00

edited: adding more reps

Coldheart C, Korean, 43-15
SaddleS C, USA, 41-20 ( i know my record sux cut me some slack it's my 4'th day back)

Not much to say about this one. I do a build that is designed just to force him to build drones, and it kills him. I guess my zealot vs zergling/drone/sunken micro is good, I have practiced that specific type of micro more than any kind... don't know what else to say, he is obviously not a newb. http://rapidshare.com/files/185270563/coldheartpvz1.rep





NrT.FlaF 15-1 D+ Romania
Saddles

Same as above, I do a build that is designed only to put pressure on them early, and it ends up winning outright. I know these are not complete newb players, so I believe my zealot vs ling micro can still be good in today's game, with a few weeks of practicing it'll be at a high level I think (again it's only meant to force them to build LINGS instead of drones, pro zergs will never die to it off the bat, instead it slows their economy a lot, like it did vs the 60-20 zerg) http://rapidshare.com/files/185275054/nrtpvz1.rep.html

my only other game vs a good player today was vs a 26-16 korean terran, who i defeated with the same strat as the other terran who didn't wall. rest are all like 25-22 or something, so I won't bother posting replays vs newbs.

sry for the short reps, soon I will have better reps to post.

thanks for taking the time to read this if you did and hope you guys have good luck in ALL games.
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
StarN
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2587 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-18 04:25:16
January 18 2009 04:24 GMT
#2
Wanna share reps?
http://repdepot.net/
Retired BW Noob
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
January 18 2009 04:31 GMT
#3
why multiple threads?
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-18 08:20:41
January 18 2009 04:37 GMT
#4
sry for the old ass picture its from '04 as well i was small
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
January 18 2009 04:41 GMT
#5
yes you should obviously post the replays, even good players are susceptable to cheese
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
January 18 2009 04:42 GMT
#6
On January 18 2009 13:31 AlphaxOmega wrote:
why multiple threads?

bc he posted in wrong forum.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5522 Posts
January 18 2009 04:42 GMT
#7
LOL EMBEDDED
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KnightOfNi
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1508 Posts
January 18 2009 04:43 GMT
#8
I haven't been around here for more than about a year, and was just wondering how much PvT has changed since you played it before?
RIP eSTRO :(
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-18 04:44:08
January 18 2009 04:43 GMT
#9
/wrists
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-18 07:58:51
January 18 2009 04:43 GMT
#10
that pic is me at 17 . i now look the same except 30 pounds heavier and not as scrawny..., now 22 years old, sry was the only picture i could find on google lol, not at my comp right now
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
January 18 2009 04:44 GMT
#11
On January 18 2009 13:43 JoeSaddles wrote:
that pic is me at 17 im now look the same except 40 pounds heavier, now 22, sry was the only picture i could find on google lol, not at my comp right now


do you have some kind of mental disorder?
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-18 04:47:25
January 18 2009 04:46 GMT
#12
On January 18 2009 13:44 food wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2009 13:43 JoeSaddles wrote:
that pic is me at 17 im now look the same except 40 pounds heavier, now 22 yrs old, sry was the only picture i could find on google lol, not at my comp right now


do you have some kind of mental disorder?


YES !! I'm addicted to gaming =(
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-18 04:47:55
January 18 2009 04:47 GMT
#13
Why so many assholes in this thread?
-,-
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-18 04:50:12
January 18 2009 04:48 GMT
#14
Lol that davidjoy guy is 45-2?

Wow...I was so pissed because I lost a game to him where I had a huge lead early on but he took a hidden expo and managed to come back. Was so annoying.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
StarN
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2587 Posts
January 18 2009 04:48 GMT
#15
SaddleS you should post some reps, it would really help this thread since your words aren't really backing up your stats.

and I agree, SaddleS is being really gm in the face of all this assholery. Lighten up guys.
Retired BW Noob
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-18 05:36:45
January 18 2009 04:51 GMT
#16
On January 18 2009 13:43 KnightOfNi wrote:
I haven't been around here for more than about a year, and was just wondering how much PvT has changed since you played it before?


PvT is actually one of the matchups that hasn't changed as much as the others... It seems that most pros nowadays play a safe, take the map type style. You use a roaming army to harrass their pushes/ expansions, roaming goons to take care of vulture groups, and always be ready to flank effectively in case the terran tries to push out. It's basically about balancing between expansions and having enough army to hold off his push.

After you have eco set up the absolute number 1 most important thing is ARBITERS. They were used heavily back in 04' as well tho so I can't say thats changed much.

Some key stasis/recall and you can give terran fits, stasis 12 of their tanks and all of a sudden your land army can walk over theirs, not to mention it is annoying for the terran to have to keep scanning your cloaked units in every battle, many times you will get free shots in.

that's just like 1% of what I could type about PvT, but it's still about balancing expansions/army and then using your arbiters effectively.


edited for *theirs instead of theres
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
January 18 2009 04:52 GMT
#17
reps coming now
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
January 18 2009 05:09 GMT
#18
What do you think about modern mutalisk micro? Have you tried offracing, to see what other new strats are like from different perspectives?
Force staff is the best item in the game.
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-18 05:23:06
January 18 2009 05:20 GMT
#19
On January 18 2009 13:23 JoeSaddles wrote:
Here are a few I played and had good games against but LOST....




http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/davidjoy_cn.html 45-2 beat me twice in very very close PvT games. I probably should have won these games as I had the advantage early in both games, but bad micro blew it for me.

http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/s2.practice.html around 20-0, pretty sure I lost PvZ

http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/mouseware.html around 35-9 dont remember exact

http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/klldw.html around 55-19 dont remember exact game




you had good games against them and you went 0-2 0-1 0-3 0-2 all 7-9 minute games
dont compare yourself to decent players just yet, you are probably better then me but you are still garbage, the people you've listed raped the shit out of you and you talking bout "good games" Get down to Earth, no one believe the bs you write
I'd be the first person to cheer you up if you break B- but so far you havent won any game vs a decent opponent, even if you did it probably was some 2 gate all in bullshit
replays anyways, ill watch a few just to see where you at right now

edit: i did play vsofra, you said "won a 13 minute pvz" but you played 2 games and went 1-1 vs him, and that guy always asking for re so you basically denied him after winning some timing attack type of game. Replays asap.
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36388 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-18 05:24:46
January 18 2009 05:24 GMT
#20
I actually approve of this kinda and his blog, this is more concrete and glad you are changing your perspective a bit on ICCup. Regardless, B is very hard and far away, good luck.

food tone it down, he isn't insulting anyone or making wild comments, I see his thoughts here as pretty self-aware and accurate (even though I might disagree about him getting to B). He posted reps and even took the time to describe them, it's pretty good. Coming in and calling him "garbage" is stupid and a quick way to get banned, consider yourself warned.
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