• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 18:42
CET 00:42
KST 08:42
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !9Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Micro Lags When Playing SC2? ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview
Tourneys
$100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1483 users

The competition on ICCUP is pretty strong. - Page 10

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 Next All
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25990 Posts
January 22 2009 07:10 GMT
#181
?

?????

Okay you're insane.
Moderator
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
January 22 2009 07:12 GMT
#182
On January 22 2009 16:10 Chill wrote:
?

?????

Okay you're insane.



right... even though his very last game was a game he WON against a B- player, he is definitely not capable of being B ranked??


umm??? ok..... I'm the insane one?? o.O
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
armed_
Profile Joined November 2008
Canada443 Posts
January 22 2009 07:14 GMT
#183
Saddles, you do realise you're trying to prove that your stats can be extrapolated to B because you've lost mainly to players whose stats you believe can be extrapolated to B?
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
January 22 2009 07:19 GMT
#184
On January 22 2009 16:14 armed_ wrote:
Saddles, you do realise you're trying to prove that your stats can be extrapolated to B because you've lost mainly to players whose stats you believe can be extrapolated to B?



wow I can't believe how much people are twisting my words....

please quote the post where I said my stats can be extrapolated to B rank???


????
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25990 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-22 07:24:21
January 22 2009 07:22 GMT
#185
On January 22 2009 16:12 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2009 16:10 Chill wrote:
?

?????

Okay you're insane.



right... even though his very last game was a game he WON against a B- player, he is definitely not capable of being B ranked??


umm??? ok..... I'm the insane one?? o.O

Yes, my ability to maintain a 50% win percentage at a level should be based on the results of a single game (with no inference into how the game was played) with a player below said level.

That makes sense.
Moderator
armed_
Profile Joined November 2008
Canada443 Posts
January 22 2009 07:25 GMT
#186
On January 22 2009 16:19 JoeSaddles wrote:
wow I can't believe how much people are twisting my words....

please quote the post where I said my stats can be extrapolated to B rank???


????

On January 19 2009 21:43 JoeSaddles wrote:
Out of my last 17 losses, 12 OF THEM ARE TO THESE PLAYERS.... WHO ARE ALL B OR HIGHER MATERIAL..... the other 5 are to players with worse recrods (but nobody under 50% win percentage).

blahblahblah

It's my 5'th day back, 75% of my losses are to players who belong at B- or higher, and I'm still getting my handspeed back (only at 190 apm right now when used to be at 240)

If this isn't heavily implying that given your current stats and your estimation of your current form you'll make it to B I don't know what is.
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
January 22 2009 07:27 GMT
#187
On January 22 2009 16:22 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2009 16:12 JoeSaddles wrote:
On January 22 2009 16:10 Chill wrote:
?

?????

Okay you're insane.



right... even though his very last game was a game he WON against a B- player, he is definitely not capable of being B ranked??


umm??? ok..... I'm the insane one?? o.O

Yes, my ability to maintain a 50% win percentage at a level should be based on the results of a single game (with no inference into how the game was played) with a player below said level.

That makes sense.



1. He has played 1 game so far against a B- player. He won it.

2. It was a 30 minute game, not cheese.

3. He was 69-7 coming into the game, and yes I know he newb bashed to get there, but it's still not a bad record at all to come into B- rank with.

based on all this you really honestly believe he is NOT B material? I believe he is.....
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25990 Posts
January 22 2009 07:28 GMT
#188
On January 22 2009 16:27 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2009 16:22 Chill wrote:
On January 22 2009 16:12 JoeSaddles wrote:
On January 22 2009 16:10 Chill wrote:
?

?????

Okay you're insane.



right... even though his very last game was a game he WON against a B- player, he is definitely not capable of being B ranked??


umm??? ok..... I'm the insane one?? o.O

Yes, my ability to maintain a 50% win percentage at a level should be based on the results of a single game (with no inference into how the game was played) with a player below said level.

That makes sense.



1. He has played 1 game so far against a B- player. He won it.

2. It was a 30 minute game, not cheese.

3. He was 69-7 coming into the game, and yes I know he newb bashed to get there, but it's still not a bad record at all to come into B- rank with.

based on all this you really honestly believe he is NOT B material? I believe he is.....


No, I truly don't.
Moderator
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 22 2009 07:32 GMT
#189
On January 22 2009 16:27 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2009 16:22 Chill wrote:
On January 22 2009 16:12 JoeSaddles wrote:
On January 22 2009 16:10 Chill wrote:
?

?????

Okay you're insane.



right... even though his very last game was a game he WON against a B- player, he is definitely not capable of being B ranked??


umm??? ok..... I'm the insane one?? o.O

Yes, my ability to maintain a 50% win percentage at a level should be based on the results of a single game (with no inference into how the game was played) with a player below said level.

That makes sense.



1. He has played 1 game so far against a B- player. He won it.

2. It was a 30 minute game, not cheese.

3. He was 69-7 coming into the game, and yes I know he newb bashed to get there, but it's still not a bad record at all to come into B- rank with.

based on all this you really honestly believe he is NOT B material? I believe he is.....


Winning one straight up game against a B- player doesn't make you B material. I beat a C- player once and I'll be D for quite a few seasons...
RIP Aaliyah
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
January 22 2009 07:32 GMT
#190
ok well everyone is entitled to their own opinion obviously.

I won't post again in this thread until I'm blue instead of yellow... So many people are blindly flaming me that I now can't wait to get there.... tomorrow morning I begin playing again!!

GL to all !!
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 22 2009 07:38 GMT
#191
On January 22 2009 16:32 JoeSaddles wrote:
ok well everyone is entitled to their own opinion obviously.

I won't post again in this thread until I'm blue instead of yellow... So many people are blindly flaming me that I now can't wait to get there.... tomorrow morning I begin playing again!!

GL to all !!

Good luck!

Until then, good riddance kekeke
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
January 22 2009 07:39 GMT
#192
On January 22 2009 16:32 JoeSaddles wrote:
I won't post again in this thread until I'm blue instead of yellow... So many people are blindly flaming me that I now can't wait to get there.... tomorrow morning I begin playing again!!

I think that you shouldn't say that so lightly, but I admire your confidence. Best of luck to you.
Force staff is the best item in the game.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
January 22 2009 07:46 GMT
#193
On January 22 2009 16:27 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2009 16:22 Chill wrote:
On January 22 2009 16:12 JoeSaddles wrote:
On January 22 2009 16:10 Chill wrote:
?

?????

Okay you're insane.



right... even though his very last game was a game he WON against a B- player, he is definitely not capable of being B ranked??


umm??? ok..... I'm the insane one?? o.O

Yes, my ability to maintain a 50% win percentage at a level should be based on the results of a single game (with no inference into how the game was played) with a player below said level.

That makes sense.



1. He has played 1 game so far against a B- player. He won it.

2. It was a 30 minute game, not cheese.

3. He was 69-7 coming into the game, and yes I know he newb bashed to get there, but it's still not a bad record at all to come into B- rank with.

based on all this you really honestly believe he is NOT B material? I believe he is.....


Why are you trying to defend something so heartily that you cannot prove. He bashed the shit out of shitty players all the way to a certain rank only to get there that way? That makes no sense. It's slower and you gain nothing out of it. Maybe someone else is playing the account now? Maybe he got a lucky win? Anything is possible, but the guy is not good. Stop justifying your opponents.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
January 22 2009 08:27 GMT
#194
On January 22 2009 16:27 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2009 16:22 Chill wrote:
On January 22 2009 16:12 JoeSaddles wrote:
On January 22 2009 16:10 Chill wrote:
?

?????

Okay you're insane.



right... even though his very last game was a game he WON against a B- player, he is definitely not capable of being B ranked??


umm??? ok..... I'm the insane one?? o.O

Yes, my ability to maintain a 50% win percentage at a level should be based on the results of a single game (with no inference into how the game was played) with a player below said level.

That makes sense.



1. He has played 1 game so far against a B- player. He won it.

2. It was a 30 minute game, not cheese.

3. He was 69-7 coming into the game, and yes I know he newb bashed to get there, but it's still not a bad record at all to come into B- rank with.

based on all this you really honestly believe he is NOT B material? I believe he is.....


How do you know how the game was just because it was 30 mins? maybe he 5pooled and killed all but 1 of his opponents workers but barely won still.... Just because a game is 30mins you got no idea how it was played, iv played 30mins game where I only made probes, pylons and cannons.

Of course most likely its a straight up game, but you got no way to say if it is or not.
God Hates a Coward
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
January 22 2009 08:40 GMT
#195
Why is everyone on this guy's case? Sure he may be underestimating modern competitive SC and is gloating a bit but who cares? Everyone does that.

Or maybe you're jealous because you've already reached your skill cap of D+ so you're nitpicking at everything he does to bring him down with you?

Just wait & see. If he fails, then he'll just fade away like the hype.
Marines > everything
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 22 2009 08:57 GMT
#196
On January 22 2009 15:52 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2009 15:42 IdrA wrote:
i think its been about a week, feel like playing yet?


sure if u wanna play regular games... I would love to play some.... but i can't play 50 dollars a game after playing for a week over the last 3 years.... especially since you've probably been practicing A LOT lately like 6-10 hours a day I would guess?? you are probably far better than me right now.

if you don't have time to play non-money games then good luck to you and I hope you do well in all matches. go USA!!!

nah dude im only like 60% on iccup i suck ass
you can have 2:1 odds
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
January 22 2009 09:04 GMT
#197
On January 22 2009 16:27 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2009 16:22 Chill wrote:
On January 22 2009 16:12 JoeSaddles wrote:
On January 22 2009 16:10 Chill wrote:
?

?????

Okay you're insane.



right... even though his very last game was a game he WON against a B- player, he is definitely not capable of being B ranked??


umm??? ok..... I'm the insane one?? o.O

Yes, my ability to maintain a 50% win percentage at a level should be based on the results of a single game (with no inference into how the game was played) with a player below said level.

That makes sense.



1. He has played 1 game so far against a B- player. He won it.

2. It was a 30 minute game, not cheese.

3. He was 69-7 coming into the game, and yes I know he newb bashed to get there, but it's still not a bad record at all to come into B- rank with.

based on all this you really honestly believe he is NOT B material? I believe he is.....

...You are ridiculous.
kdog3683
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States916 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-22 09:41:00
January 22 2009 09:25 GMT
#198
On January 19 2009 17:03 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 14:32 kdog3683 wrote:
On January 19 2009 13:27 NeO)PhOeNiX wrote:
Wow I can't believe all the negativity in his blog/threads.

Good work Saddles on all you've done up until now, I admire that you can pick up the game again and still own some guys left and right. Don't listen to these haters and do what you gotta do!


Maybe if you weren't so insulated, you would see that there is a good reason to


There's a good reason to what? Keep flaming a guy who made a stupid blog almost (or over) a week ago with some stupid claims which he now says openly that were mistakes on his part?

Stop being a fucking tool.



Are you trying to be cool by beginning a pointless flame? I could dismantle you even after having killed off 2 probes/drones/scvs to start with. Let me know when you want to play a bet game. This has absolutely nothing to do with anything, but I just wanted to emphasize the point that a player who fails at SC despite having played it for a long time should not begin to talk about the competitive aspect of SC as if he held high expertise. You do lead team Light, but what would you personally know about who is what skill when all you do is sit on the sidelines with a finger up your ass.

As to Saddles, he's nothing but the protoss version of lastShadow and I would gladly destroy him as well as having not touched this game for 2years.

edit: I just read through 3 more pages and its a bit sickening the shameless self promotion there is...
"Hi I'm Joey Saddles, i won 240$ + tv + I'm in team USA and IG and etc etc etc. my life story begins with ..."

As to people commenting on you Joey, we read between the lines. It doesn't take a journalism major (which i doubt you are considering the trend in exaggeration/narcissism based off your reflection on your SC performance. Most likely you took a few lit classes @ a comm college and extrapolated yourself by a few years.) to see the massive amount effort you put behind every selective replay and word you decide to use.

Difference between you and a good player is people know a good player is good.
Multiply your efforts.
TheFlashyOne
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada450 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-22 12:36:18
January 22 2009 12:29 GMT
#199
On January 22 2009 16:27 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2009 16:22 Chill wrote:
On January 22 2009 16:12 JoeSaddles wrote:
On January 22 2009 16:10 Chill wrote:
?

?????

Okay you're insane.



right... even though his very last game was a game he WON against a B- player, he is definitely not capable of being B ranked??


umm??? ok..... I'm the insane one?? o.O

Yes, my ability to maintain a 50% win percentage at a level should be based on the results of a single game (with no inference into how the game was played) with a player below said level.

That makes sense.



1. He has played 1 game so far against a B- player. He won it.

2. It was a 30 minute game, not cheese.

3. He was 69-7 coming into the game, and yes I know he newb bashed to get there, but it's still not a bad record at all to come into B- rank with.

based on all this you really honestly believe he is NOT B material? I believe he is.....


Riiiiight... im not the first to point this out but right now you're suffering from a severe misunderstanding of what being a legitimate B Player entails. Idra's point is really on target. You don't notice the gap between levels at lower levels but as you climb up, you really start to feel it. It takes a huge amount of effort to go from say, C+ to B-.

a legitimate B player doesnt mean being able to beat B- people regularly and hitting B in the low 7000's and then falling back to B- as soon as trying to face other B gamers too often. it means being able to stabilize at a little bit above 7000 by having a close to 50% win ratio vs combined B- and B gamers on a variety of maps and matchups. you might touch Blue but you might never be a real Blue gamer.

That being said, since you are an old school gosu, you probably will make it to B. Thing is...that's gonna take a lot of time if we take for granted that you won't cut corners like avoiding maps or matchups and playing always ppl below your rank. months, many months (years?). But again..i'll be happy when you get there...its always nice to see old 'gosus' coming back, ive always been a big fan of the foreign scene. (not that the competition was lacking in your absence)
Don't Spend your Life Dreaming, Live your Dream
ocoini
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
648 Posts
January 22 2009 12:52 GMT
#200
Wondering when we will be seeing iccup account sales on ebay... :p
SELLING 5 C accounts to highest bidders! !!

You know, there might actually be money in this-.- gogo pros, make it happen.
Street Vendor Crack Down Princess-Cop!
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Ladder Legends
19:00
WWG Amateur Showdown
davetesta72
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech232
SpeCial 141
PiGStarcraft99
StarCraft: Brood War
EffOrt 205
Dewaltoss 118
Shuttle 60
Mong 19
NaDa 13
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm113
febbydoto43
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Trikslyr40
Counter-Strike
summit1g1972
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby5063
Khaldor294
Other Games
FrodaN1640
Mew2King249
ViBE48
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1415
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• RyuSc2 71
• musti20045 43
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• mYiSmile14
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22310
League of Legends
• Doublelift3775
Other Games
• imaqtpie2249
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10h 18m
Ladder Legends
17h 18m
BSL 21
20h 18m
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
Replay Cast
1d 9h
Wardi Open
1d 12h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 17h
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.