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saddles u need to play me still  i wanna c if you have really gotten better after about a week now
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saddles just game to B with as many losses as it takes that will prove 100% more than reps vs people who can bash Ds especially when half of those are losses
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what rank is incontrol capable of in iccup if he tries and plays enough?
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On January 21 2009 09:03 BlueRoyaL wrote:
what rank is incontrol capable of in iccup if he tries and plays enough?
I think A- for sure maybe A if he really tries really hard + dodge a bit the top Kors ?
He needs to be in shape though ;O
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He is in shape!
Edit: oh bw shape duhhhhhhhh
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On January 21 2009 09:09 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2009 09:03 BlueRoyaL wrote:
what rank is incontrol capable of in iccup if he tries and plays enough? I think A- for sure maybe A if he really tries really hard + dodge a bit the top Kors ? He needs to be in shape though ;O
You can't dodge the top kors at A- rank.
Have you taken a look at the iccup ladder recently? We're already relatively late into the season, and according to the 1v1 ladder page on iccup.com, the highest foreigner is B+.
So in other words, once you get to B+, you're not playing many foreigners anymore, but if you get to A- you're never playing another foreigner again unless another one meets you up there.
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On January 21 2009 11:07 -orb- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2009 09:09 Boblion wrote:On January 21 2009 09:03 BlueRoyaL wrote:
what rank is incontrol capable of in iccup if he tries and plays enough? I think A- for sure maybe A if he really tries really hard + dodge a bit the top Kors ? He needs to be in shape though ;O You can't dodge the top kors at A- rank. Have you taken a look at the iccup ladder recently? We're already relatively late into the season, and according to the 1v1 ladder page on iccup.com, the highest foreigner is B+. So in other words, once you get to B+, you're not playing many foreigners anymore, but if you get to A- you're never playing another foreigner again unless another one meets you up there.
1- when i mean top Korean i mean the 100-0 guys not the no names 200-160 guys.
2- I don't think that many foreigners are mass gaming this season. Anyway i'm not talking about specifically about this season. We need a TSL2 to know their real level when they are 100% dedicated.
3- Kwark got B+ ( i guess it was last season ) you think that InC cant make better ? Maybe A is a bit too much but A-/B+ is 100% sure if he is in shape and plays a lot.
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Norway28875 Posts
huge difference between this season and last, at least so far. i dunno how much longer its going to last but being b+/ a- at this stage is vastly different from being it at the end of the season.
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United States10774 Posts
On January 21 2009 23:12 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2009 11:07 -orb- wrote:On January 21 2009 09:09 Boblion wrote:On January 21 2009 09:03 BlueRoyaL wrote:
what rank is incontrol capable of in iccup if he tries and plays enough? I think A- for sure maybe A if he really tries really hard + dodge a bit the top Kors ? He needs to be in shape though ;O You can't dodge the top kors at A- rank. Have you taken a look at the iccup ladder recently? We're already relatively late into the season, and according to the 1v1 ladder page on iccup.com, the highest foreigner is B+. So in other words, once you get to B+, you're not playing many foreigners anymore, but if you get to A- you're never playing another foreigner again unless another one meets you up there. 1- when i mean top Korean i mean the 100-0 guys not the no names 200-160 guys. 2- I don't think that many foreigners are mass gaming this season. Anyway i'm not talking about specifically about this season. We need a TSL2 to know their real level when they are 100% dedicated. 3- Kwark got B+ ( i guess it was last season ) you think that InC cant make better ? Maybe A is a bit too much but A-/B+ is 100% sure if he is in shape and plays a lot.
Hmm I don't even think foreigners can beat 200-160 A Koreans.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 22 2009 11:57 Liquid`Drone wrote:
huge difference between this season and last, at least so far. i dunno how much longer its going to last but being b+/ a- at this stage is vastly different from being it at the end of the season.
isn't it nice to have a real ladder?
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On January 20 2009 01:34 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 01:28 JoeSaddles wrote:On January 19 2009 22:21 Lachrymose wrote:On January 19 2009 21:43 JoeSaddles wrote:Out of my last 17 losses, 12 OF THEM ARE TO THESE PLAYERS.... WHO ARE ALL B OR HIGHER MATERIAL..... Why makes you so sure you're in any position to judge who you play is a B player? You seem to bring this up alot, yet you've never been B. What makes you think the other C players you played are representitive over these guys? Extrapolating rank via win percentage is pretty much considered a cardinal sin here. Is this post serious? you really don't think that 40-11 C korean players could get to B rank? or how bout the 60-2 chinese guy? or the other 35-7 type koreans?? Do you honestly believe that these players would be UNABLE to get to B rank? With those kind of records? ?????? give me a break... those are B material players. the 45-2* chinese guy had half of his wins vs D ranked players, hence being 45-2 at C rank. and most players will go 80+% win until theyre within a rank or 2 of their max, then hit a wall, especially late season when most of the good players have already passed through on their way up. so ya playing high % C's does not equate to playing B's, at all.
This is so true, during the spirit ladder I was 50-8 when I hit B, then I used 45 games more to get to B+
So I sort of expect that people who are B- easily can hit C+ with a 80%+ winrate. Even all those people who hit B- with 60-20ish records late season are usually max B players, and alot of them hit a brickwall once they get to B-
So Joe no, good win% at C dont automatically make B players...
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On January 22 2009 13:43 Oystein wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 01:34 IdrA wrote:On January 20 2009 01:28 JoeSaddles wrote:On January 19 2009 22:21 Lachrymose wrote:On January 19 2009 21:43 JoeSaddles wrote:Out of my last 17 losses, 12 OF THEM ARE TO THESE PLAYERS.... WHO ARE ALL B OR HIGHER MATERIAL..... Why makes you so sure you're in any position to judge who you play is a B player? You seem to bring this up alot, yet you've never been B. What makes you think the other C players you played are representitive over these guys? Extrapolating rank via win percentage is pretty much considered a cardinal sin here. Is this post serious? you really don't think that 40-11 C korean players could get to B rank? or how bout the 60-2 chinese guy? or the other 35-7 type koreans?? Do you honestly believe that these players would be UNABLE to get to B rank? With those kind of records? ?????? give me a break... those are B material players. the 45-2* chinese guy had half of his wins vs D ranked players, hence being 45-2 at C rank. and most players will go 80+% win until theyre within a rank or 2 of their max, then hit a wall, especially late season when most of the good players have already passed through on their way up. so ya playing high % C's does not equate to playing B's, at all. This is so true, during the spirit ladder I was 50-8 when I hit B, then I used 45 games more to get to B+ So I sort of expect that people who are B- easily can hit C+ with a 80%+ winrate. Even all those people who hit B- with 60-20ish records late season are usually max B players, and alot of them hit a brickwall once they get to B- So Joe no, good win% at C dont automatically make B players...
When did I say everyone with a good win% was a B player??
I was referring to a few certain people..... davidjoy_cn and vsofra or something close to it
BTW davidjoy_cn he is now 70-7 and has not lost in his last 8 games vs C+ players.
vsofra is 62-22 and is not losing much vs C+ players... he is still rising in points pretty fast.
So these guys are not B material??? sure..............
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On January 22 2009 15:34 JoeSaddles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2009 13:43 Oystein wrote:On January 20 2009 01:34 IdrA wrote:On January 20 2009 01:28 JoeSaddles wrote:On January 19 2009 22:21 Lachrymose wrote:On January 19 2009 21:43 JoeSaddles wrote:Out of my last 17 losses, 12 OF THEM ARE TO THESE PLAYERS.... WHO ARE ALL B OR HIGHER MATERIAL..... Why makes you so sure you're in any position to judge who you play is a B player? You seem to bring this up alot, yet you've never been B. What makes you think the other C players you played are representitive over these guys? Extrapolating rank via win percentage is pretty much considered a cardinal sin here. Is this post serious? you really don't think that 40-11 C korean players could get to B rank? or how bout the 60-2 chinese guy? or the other 35-7 type koreans?? Do you honestly believe that these players would be UNABLE to get to B rank? With those kind of records? ?????? give me a break... those are B material players. the 45-2* chinese guy had half of his wins vs D ranked players, hence being 45-2 at C rank. and most players will go 80+% win until theyre within a rank or 2 of their max, then hit a wall, especially late season when most of the good players have already passed through on their way up. so ya playing high % C's does not equate to playing B's, at all. This is so true, during the spirit ladder I was 50-8 when I hit B, then I used 45 games more to get to B+ So I sort of expect that people who are B- easily can hit C+ with a 80%+ winrate. Even all those people who hit B- with 60-20ish records late season are usually max B players, and alot of them hit a brickwall once they get to B- So Joe no, good win% at C dont automatically make B players... When did I say everyone with a good win% was a B player?? I was referring to one certain person..... davidjoy_cn BTW he is now 70-7 and has not lost in his last 8 games vs C+ players. So this guy is not B material??? sure..............
The thing is: of course it is possible that he is a B player. But you will only know for sure if he gets one (early in the season, later in the season it gets easier).
But you were claiming that most of the clear losses you had were against B players. And this you just don't know yet.
Btw don't you have time gaming anymore?
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i think its been about a week, feel like playing yet?
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On January 22 2009 15:42 IdrA wrote:
i think its been about a week, feel like playing yet?
sure if u wanna play regular games... I would love to play some.... but i can't play 50 dollars a game after playing for a week over the last 3 years.... especially since you've probably been practicing A LOT lately like 6-10 hours a day I would guess?? you are probably far better than me right now.
if you don't have time to play non-money games then good luck to you and I hope you do well in all matches. go USA!!!
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On January 22 2009 15:38 Drazzzt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2009 15:34 JoeSaddles wrote:On January 22 2009 13:43 Oystein wrote:On January 20 2009 01:34 IdrA wrote:On January 20 2009 01:28 JoeSaddles wrote:On January 19 2009 22:21 Lachrymose wrote:On January 19 2009 21:43 JoeSaddles wrote:Out of my last 17 losses, 12 OF THEM ARE TO THESE PLAYERS.... WHO ARE ALL B OR HIGHER MATERIAL..... Why makes you so sure you're in any position to judge who you play is a B player? You seem to bring this up alot, yet you've never been B. What makes you think the other C players you played are representitive over these guys? Extrapolating rank via win percentage is pretty much considered a cardinal sin here. Is this post serious? you really don't think that 40-11 C korean players could get to B rank? or how bout the 60-2 chinese guy? or the other 35-7 type koreans?? Do you honestly believe that these players would be UNABLE to get to B rank? With those kind of records? ?????? give me a break... those are B material players. the 45-2* chinese guy had half of his wins vs D ranked players, hence being 45-2 at C rank. and most players will go 80+% win until theyre within a rank or 2 of their max, then hit a wall, especially late season when most of the good players have already passed through on their way up. so ya playing high % C's does not equate to playing B's, at all. This is so true, during the spirit ladder I was 50-8 when I hit B, then I used 45 games more to get to B+ So I sort of expect that people who are B- easily can hit C+ with a 80%+ winrate. Even all those people who hit B- with 60-20ish records late season are usually max B players, and alot of them hit a brickwall once they get to B- So Joe no, good win% at C dont automatically make B players... When did I say everyone with a good win% was a B player?? I was referring to one certain person..... davidjoy_cn BTW he is now 70-7 and has not lost in his last 8 games vs C+ players. So this guy is not B material??? sure.............. The thing is: of course it is possible that he is a B player. But you will only know for sure if he gets one (early in the season, later in the season it gets easier). But you were claiming that most of the clear losses you had were against B players. And this you just don't know yet. Btw don't you have time gaming anymore?
aye I will be back to my house tomorrow morning, I spent the last 2 and a half days at my dad's house in fort lauderdale, I'm leaving here tomorrow morning though so I will be playing again very soon.. can't wait to start gaming again and hopefully improve in rank (dont care how many losses I get as long as I keep gaining points)
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On January 22 2009 15:34 JoeSaddles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2009 13:43 Oystein wrote:On January 20 2009 01:34 IdrA wrote:On January 20 2009 01:28 JoeSaddles wrote:On January 19 2009 22:21 Lachrymose wrote:On January 19 2009 21:43 JoeSaddles wrote:Out of my last 17 losses, 12 OF THEM ARE TO THESE PLAYERS.... WHO ARE ALL B OR HIGHER MATERIAL..... Why makes you so sure you're in any position to judge who you play is a B player? You seem to bring this up alot, yet you've never been B. What makes you think the other C players you played are representitive over these guys? Extrapolating rank via win percentage is pretty much considered a cardinal sin here. Is this post serious? you really don't think that 40-11 C korean players could get to B rank? or how bout the 60-2 chinese guy? or the other 35-7 type koreans?? Do you honestly believe that these players would be UNABLE to get to B rank? With those kind of records? ?????? give me a break... those are B material players. the 45-2* chinese guy had half of his wins vs D ranked players, hence being 45-2 at C rank. and most players will go 80+% win until theyre within a rank or 2 of their max, then hit a wall, especially late season when most of the good players have already passed through on their way up. so ya playing high % C's does not equate to playing B's, at all. This is so true, during the spirit ladder I was 50-8 when I hit B, then I used 45 games more to get to B+ So I sort of expect that people who are B- easily can hit C+ with a 80%+ winrate. Even all those people who hit B- with 60-20ish records late season are usually max B players, and alot of them hit a brickwall once they get to B- So Joe no, good win% at C dont automatically make B players... When did I say everyone with a good win% was a B player?? I was referring to a few certain people..... davidjoy_cn and vsofra or something close to it BTW davidjoy_cn he is now 70-7 and has not lost in his last 8 games vs C+ players. vsofra is 62-22 and is not losing much vs C+ players... he is still rising in points pretty fast. So these guys are not B material??? sure..............
looooool 70-7 and C+.....
This should point to that this guy isnt B more than its points to him being B. If you play same rank and on motw iv hit B- in 40 games as the fastest late in the season. People with his stats and winrates who plays equal ranked opponents would be B+ or A-. Maybe he is, maybe he aint, his stats dont prove anything.
And to be a B player you have to be able to win 50% or more against other B players, there is lots of easy ways to gain rank like playing only some maps, lower ranked opponents avoid some matchups, only play bad win% opponent and the list goes on. Even if you get to B using those kind of tactics that doesnt make your skill B level, even if you might obtain the rank.
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On January 22 2009 15:55 Oystein wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2009 15:34 JoeSaddles wrote:On January 22 2009 13:43 Oystein wrote:On January 20 2009 01:34 IdrA wrote:On January 20 2009 01:28 JoeSaddles wrote:On January 19 2009 22:21 Lachrymose wrote:On January 19 2009 21:43 JoeSaddles wrote:Out of my last 17 losses, 12 OF THEM ARE TO THESE PLAYERS.... WHO ARE ALL B OR HIGHER MATERIAL..... Why makes you so sure you're in any position to judge who you play is a B player? You seem to bring this up alot, yet you've never been B. What makes you think the other C players you played are representitive over these guys? Extrapolating rank via win percentage is pretty much considered a cardinal sin here. Is this post serious? you really don't think that 40-11 C korean players could get to B rank? or how bout the 60-2 chinese guy? or the other 35-7 type koreans?? Do you honestly believe that these players would be UNABLE to get to B rank? With those kind of records? ?????? give me a break... those are B material players. the 45-2* chinese guy had half of his wins vs D ranked players, hence being 45-2 at C rank. and most players will go 80+% win until theyre within a rank or 2 of their max, then hit a wall, especially late season when most of the good players have already passed through on their way up. so ya playing high % C's does not equate to playing B's, at all. This is so true, during the spirit ladder I was 50-8 when I hit B, then I used 45 games more to get to B+ So I sort of expect that people who are B- easily can hit C+ with a 80%+ winrate. Even all those people who hit B- with 60-20ish records late season are usually max B players, and alot of them hit a brickwall once they get to B- So Joe no, good win% at C dont automatically make B players... When did I say everyone with a good win% was a B player?? I was referring to a few certain people..... davidjoy_cn and vsofra or something close to it BTW davidjoy_cn he is now 70-7 and has not lost in his last 8 games vs C+ players. vsofra is 62-22 and is not losing much vs C+ players... he is still rising in points pretty fast. So these guys are not B material??? sure.............. looooool 70-7 and C+..... This should point to that this guy isnt B more than its points to him being B. If you play same rank and on motw iv hit B- in 40 games as the fastest late in the season. People with his stats and winrates who plays equal ranked opponents would be B+ or A-. And to be a B player you have to be able to win 50% or more against other B players, there is lots of easy ways to gain rank like playing only some maps, lower ranked opponents avoid some matchups, only play bad win% opponent and the list goes on. Even if you get to B using those kind of tactics that doesnt make your skill B level, even if you might obtain the rank.
I agree with you completely that this guy has newb-bashed some, and inflated his record, but he is still not a newb, and is definitely capable of playing with B players.
In fact his last win was against a player who is now B- with a regular type record of 62-40.... all I was saying was this guy was above a C level type player... which you can not deny that he is
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Calgary26003 Posts
On January 22 2009 15:59 JoeSaddles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2009 15:55 Oystein wrote:On January 22 2009 15:34 JoeSaddles wrote:On January 22 2009 13:43 Oystein wrote:On January 20 2009 01:34 IdrA wrote:On January 20 2009 01:28 JoeSaddles wrote:On January 19 2009 22:21 Lachrymose wrote:On January 19 2009 21:43 JoeSaddles wrote:Out of my last 17 losses, 12 OF THEM ARE TO THESE PLAYERS.... WHO ARE ALL B OR HIGHER MATERIAL..... Why makes you so sure you're in any position to judge who you play is a B player? You seem to bring this up alot, yet you've never been B. What makes you think the other C players you played are representitive over these guys? Extrapolating rank via win percentage is pretty much considered a cardinal sin here. Is this post serious? you really don't think that 40-11 C korean players could get to B rank? or how bout the 60-2 chinese guy? or the other 35-7 type koreans?? Do you honestly believe that these players would be UNABLE to get to B rank? With those kind of records? ?????? give me a break... those are B material players. the 45-2* chinese guy had half of his wins vs D ranked players, hence being 45-2 at C rank. and most players will go 80+% win until theyre within a rank or 2 of their max, then hit a wall, especially late season when most of the good players have already passed through on their way up. so ya playing high % C's does not equate to playing B's, at all. This is so true, during the spirit ladder I was 50-8 when I hit B, then I used 45 games more to get to B+ So I sort of expect that people who are B- easily can hit C+ with a 80%+ winrate. Even all those people who hit B- with 60-20ish records late season are usually max B players, and alot of them hit a brickwall once they get to B- So Joe no, good win% at C dont automatically make B players... When did I say everyone with a good win% was a B player?? I was referring to a few certain people..... davidjoy_cn and vsofra or something close to it BTW davidjoy_cn he is now 70-7 and has not lost in his last 8 games vs C+ players. vsofra is 62-22 and is not losing much vs C+ players... he is still rising in points pretty fast. So these guys are not B material??? sure.............. looooool 70-7 and C+..... This should point to that this guy isnt B more than its points to him being B. If you play same rank and on motw iv hit B- in 40 games as the fastest late in the season. People with his stats and winrates who plays equal ranked opponents would be B+ or A-. And to be a B player you have to be able to win 50% or more against other B players, there is lots of easy ways to gain rank like playing only some maps, lower ranked opponents avoid some matchups, only play bad win% opponent and the list goes on. Even if you get to B using those kind of tactics that doesnt make your skill B level, even if you might obtain the rank. I agree with you completely that this guy has newb-bashed some, and inflated his record, but he is still not a newb, and is definitely capable of playing with B players.
Dude, what are you basing this on other than gut feeling?
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On January 22 2009 16:07 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2009 15:59 JoeSaddles wrote:On January 22 2009 15:55 Oystein wrote:On January 22 2009 15:34 JoeSaddles wrote:On January 22 2009 13:43 Oystein wrote:On January 20 2009 01:34 IdrA wrote:On January 20 2009 01:28 JoeSaddles wrote:On January 19 2009 22:21 Lachrymose wrote:On January 19 2009 21:43 JoeSaddles wrote:Out of my last 17 losses, 12 OF THEM ARE TO THESE PLAYERS.... WHO ARE ALL B OR HIGHER MATERIAL..... Why makes you so sure you're in any position to judge who you play is a B player? You seem to bring this up alot, yet you've never been B. What makes you think the other C players you played are representitive over these guys? Extrapolating rank via win percentage is pretty much considered a cardinal sin here. Is this post serious? you really don't think that 40-11 C korean players could get to B rank? or how bout the 60-2 chinese guy? or the other 35-7 type koreans?? Do you honestly believe that these players would be UNABLE to get to B rank? With those kind of records? ?????? give me a break... those are B material players. the 45-2* chinese guy had half of his wins vs D ranked players, hence being 45-2 at C rank. and most players will go 80+% win until theyre within a rank or 2 of their max, then hit a wall, especially late season when most of the good players have already passed through on their way up. so ya playing high % C's does not equate to playing B's, at all. This is so true, during the spirit ladder I was 50-8 when I hit B, then I used 45 games more to get to B+ So I sort of expect that people who are B- easily can hit C+ with a 80%+ winrate. Even all those people who hit B- with 60-20ish records late season are usually max B players, and alot of them hit a brickwall once they get to B- So Joe no, good win% at C dont automatically make B players... When did I say everyone with a good win% was a B player?? I was referring to a few certain people..... davidjoy_cn and vsofra or something close to it BTW davidjoy_cn he is now 70-7 and has not lost in his last 8 games vs C+ players. vsofra is 62-22 and is not losing much vs C+ players... he is still rising in points pretty fast. So these guys are not B material??? sure.............. looooool 70-7 and C+..... This should point to that this guy isnt B more than its points to him being B. If you play same rank and on motw iv hit B- in 40 games as the fastest late in the season. People with his stats and winrates who plays equal ranked opponents would be B+ or A-. And to be a B player you have to be able to win 50% or more against other B players, there is lots of easy ways to gain rank like playing only some maps, lower ranked opponents avoid some matchups, only play bad win% opponent and the list goes on. Even if you get to B using those kind of tactics that doesnt make your skill B level, even if you might obtain the rank. I agree with you completely that this guy has newb-bashed some, and inflated his record, but he is still not a newb, and is definitely capable of playing with B players. Dude, what are you basing this on other than gut feeling?
the fact that he just won a 30 minute game against a 60-40 B- ranked player???
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