EPTi just hope that when this thing is finally over hillary hasn't been successful enough at her fratricidal kamikaze to change that. she has absolutely no shot at winning, revenge is all she is capable of and for that i fear her a lot.
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
i just hope that when this thing is finally over hillary hasn't been successful enough at her fratricidal kamikaze to change that. she has absolutely no shot at winning, revenge is all she is capable of and for that i fear her a lot. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Where Nazism claimed ethnical superiority, radical Islamism claims spiritual superiority. Fair enough.Where Nazism was a national totalitarianism, radical Islamism is a religious totalitarianism. This is essentially the same as above. Also by being totalitarian, it's already established that it controls these two areas. They also have in common to focus an intense antipathy against the Jews, using anti-Semitism to channel their people’s hate. They both have highly organized systems to indoctrinate their youth in order to turn them into fanatics as adults and they violently suppress any dissidence, even within their own creed. Not only that, but these similarities are common to essentially every type of fundamentalism, including evangelical. And you still haven't tied anything into Iran. I am actually studying philosophy of law and regularly attend conferences given by great political and social thinkers. I'm not quite sure what this is supposed to mean. I'm a political science and philosophy major, studying under the tutelage of one of Charles Tilly's proteges. Go me? | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On April 22 2008 13:02 oneofthem wrote: if mccain wins, it would speak volumes to the state of american politics. the american right is pretty unique in developed countries. People see him as a "good guy", I guess. And his campaign does a good job of hiding the anger management issues and racism against asians. | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
we need a revolution of sorts | ||
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Danger_Duck
Burkina Faso571 Posts
On April 22 2008 13:25 Jibba wrote: People see him as a "good guy", I guess. And his campaign does a good job of hiding the anger management issues and racism against asians. Lol, I've heard of his anger, but didn't know about the Asian thing (I'm Chinese). I'm guessing both are due to the years of torture as a POW. Besides, many if not most of our presidents were "racist" and had quirky issues. These things don't disqualify him one bit. It's not like he'd get the Asian vote anyway, heh. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On April 22 2008 13:23 Jibba wrote: I'm not quite sure what this is supposed to mean. I'm a political science and philosophy major, studying under the tutelage of one of Charles Tilly's proteges. Go me? obviously you suffer from "intellectual shallowness" --- my oh my, I actually like oneofthem's posts. One of us must be going insane. | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/maureendowd/index.html | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On April 22 2008 12:30 War_Minister wrote: I am actually studying philosophy of law and regularly attend conferences given by great political and social thinkers. If, according to you, comparing Nazi Germany to contemporary Iran would be a joke in "most circles", this means that your circles are all conformist intellectually because, in my academic circles, the comparison is taken very seriously (even if some disagree with it). The idea of you laughing at me for my ideological reflection (because it is indeed what it is) does not make me laugh: it rather makes me pity you for your intellectual shallowness. I guess you just need a way to value yourself... As for the core of your comment, I don't have much to answer. I stressed a series of analogies and common features between fascism and radical Islamism, and also the specific points where they must be dissociated. It is not true that fascism is just any authoritarianism because it is an absolute brand of it called totalitarianism. Fascism is a specific type of totalitarianism and radical Islamism is very similar to that; replace the corporate bodies with religious bodies as its source of power and it's pretty much the same. About Nazism, your comment only demonstrates how meaningful the comparison is: at that time, nobody realised how dangerous it was until it was too late... the point is that the same may very well happen again. If you can't discern the relevance of this comparison (without necessarily agreeing with it), I cannot help you to deepen your understanding. i'm surprised that you claim to study philosophy, because you have displayed a lack of sensitivity to basic conceptual clarity. you are doing it wrong on a stylistic level, and a really basic one at that. do not name drop me please, and do not tell me to deepen my understanding when you are missing the point. you are not schooled enough in philosophy to impress me, otherwise i would show due respect and take this a bit more seriously. when i said comparison, i obviously meant a crass style of comparing that misrepresent how much complexity is in the situation. you were not prefacing your nazi "comparison" with detailed and sensitive analysis, so you have no business claiming you were doing something respectable when you have failed to make the effort. unless you are really new to this internets political discussion thing, you should know that bringing up nazis is invitation for banal discussions. so even without the challenges presented here, you should already know better and back up your nazi analogy with elaboration. just for kicks, i'll outline what you are supposed to and what you did drumroll... you want to show, iran should be confronted with brute american muscle proceed to construct story of how iran is a beast that will bring about serious and not merely america centric danger to great humanity draw upon the nazis to frame iran as bad and dangerous, to the entire world and presumably need to be confronted the same way, with brute american muscle now, you might be right, but here your purpose is to paint a geopolitical scenario, not an analysis of political society. hence, you should have tried to show: iran is similar to nazis as a political phenomenon iran presents the same potential for danger as nazis construct a larger context of limited resources for american policy in the larger world, in reaction to this definite danger all three steps are crucial. first demonstrates how bad iran is, second demonstrates need for action, third is practical policy. you could score maybe half a point out of 10 for the first step, by being in the right ballpark. now, i am supposed to describe what you actually did do here, but since that would require actual reading of your post which i have avoided up until now, i wont do that. what is clear though is that you were doing it wrong and made up excuses. anyway, all i wanted was to see some sensitivity. if you make the effort to make substantial arguments, i have no concerns. | ||
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
what are they updates on the primaries? i don't get much of this news in Korea. | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
On April 22 2008 14:35 MyLostTemple wrote: War_Minister you're going off topic of this thread. what are they updates on the primaries? i don't get much of this news in Korea. their just isn't anything interesting going on tbh... hillary's basically dead and pulling a huckabee. technically there is a primary on the 22nd in pennsylvania, lots of delegates at stake and hillary's expected to win by 8+ points, but her winning pennsylvania means absolutely nothing so yeah... really we're all just waiting for hillary to drop out or for obama to make some colossal slip up, rather boring really. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
I'd like to take this moment to give a great big shout out to all the pundits, politicians and people who are terrified at the idea of talking with our "enemies" as it would apparently grant them legitimacy and set back America. In particular, I'd like to give a big smile and wave to those who called for Carter's passport to be taken away because he was speaking with these evildoers. Bada bing bada no boom; diplomacy does work if you want it to. | ||
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Sharkey
668 Posts
I think Carter is confused. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Haaretz and Al Jazeera are usually the best sources. NYT is particularly bad on the Israel coverage. Anyways, the fear of Iran is totally unjustified at this point. "Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said he believes Iran is "hell-bent" on acquiring nuclear weapons" That type of statement sound familiar? So far there has been no proof, even more disproof, of them trying to build a nuclear arsenal. Yet American presidential candidates and the media are going to build it up as the next big threat, when they've got less bite than even North Korea. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7212 Posts
On April 22 2008 15:04 choboPEon wrote: Hamas is ready to recognize Israel's borders, so says the BBC. I'd like to take this moment to give a great big shout out to all the pundits, politicians and people who are terrified at the idea of talking with our "enemies" as it would apparently grant them legitimacy and set back America. In particular, I'd like to give a big smile and wave to those who called for Carter's passport to be taken away because he was speaking with these evildoers. Bada bing bada no boom; diplomacy does work if you want it to. You're heaping praise on Carter's negotiating the following terms for Israel-Palestinian peace? -Israel withdraws and creates a Palestinian state with 1967 borders. -Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist. -After a 10 year "truce" they use the new country to destroy Israel. Way to go Jimmy! I hope you get a Nobel Peace Prize for this effort. | ||
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On April 22 2008 21:01 NovaTheFeared wrote: You're heaping praise on Carter's negotiating the following terms for Israel-Palestinian peace? -Israel withdraws and creates a Palestinian state with 1967 borders. -Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist. -After a 10 year "truce" they use the new country to destroy Israel. Way to go Jimmy! I hope you get a Nobel Peace Prize for this effort. Hamas couldn't destroy Israel if they were given a 90 day head start. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32037 Posts
On April 22 2008 13:41 a-game wrote: i think the biggest problem about a mccain presidency would be stagnancy. i don't think he'd be nearly as bad as bush but the world can't afford another 4-8 years of stagnancy on important issues and development. we need a revolution of sorts Yeah, its not like I think he'd be particularly bad (he's at least pretty moderate in the areas of concern for me) It's just him wanting to turn the middle east into a sheet of glasst that scares the shit outta me. If the country wasnt as fucked as is, it wouldnt be horrible. But yeah, we need change. | ||
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