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HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
July 10 2008 00:13 GMT
#1741
So wait actually this is something that's completely gone over my head...in England you vote for the party because you know that the whole party will be making ideas and shit and in reality the prime minister will basically be the big cheese but definitely won't make all the choices; and he sure as hell doesn't make all of his party's policies. His party elects him, not the public.

Basically, do Americans vote almost entirely for the prospective president, and not for their party? How much choice in governmental matters do the parties in the US get?
"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
July 10 2008 00:16 GMT
#1742
On July 10 2008 08:50 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2008 07:48 Mindcrime wrote:
On July 10 2008 07:37 fusionsdf wrote:
I cant believe obama supports the wiretapping bill

even clinton supported it.


"Wiretapping bill" is an inaccurate way to describe the new FISA legislation.


how else do you want me to describe a bill that provides retroactive immunity to the telecoms?


That disappointed me too, but the main objective was accomplished; no more unconstitutional warrantless wiretaps. Once again, the FISA courts must be involved in the process.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
July 10 2008 00:50 GMT
#1743
Count me in the disappointed group as well.
wtf was that signature
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-10 01:56:57
July 10 2008 01:55 GMT
#1744
On July 10 2008 08:50 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2008 07:48 Mindcrime wrote:
On July 10 2008 07:37 fusionsdf wrote:
I cant believe obama supports the wiretapping bill

even clinton supported it.


"Wiretapping bill" is an inaccurate way to describe the new FISA legislation.


how else do you want me to describe a bill that provides retroactive immunity to the telecoms?

It doesn't, there's still a judicial course of action for the telecoms, and all things considered, FISA needed to be updated. It was written in the 1970s when the CIA tracked people using paper cups and string.

Compromises are how things get done in Washington. Mindcrime put it well. It sucks, but if you only vote for "perfect bills", then you won't be approving anything. The telecom part was only a side portion of the bill.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 10 2008 19:05 GMT
#1745
Bad bad move by the McCain campaign:

This coming from the ECONOMIC ADVISER to John McCain:

“You’ve heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession,” Gramm, a former Texas senator, told the newspaper, adding that the presumptive Republican nominee will face an uphill battle fighting those perceptions.

“We have sort of become a nation of whiners,” he said. “You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in ‘decline’ despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy.”


Article

Obama should pounce and not let go.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
oj-
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States368 Posts
July 10 2008 19:28 GMT
#1746
On July 11 2008 04:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Bad bad move by the McCain campaign:

This coming from the ECONOMIC ADVISER to John McCain:

Show nested quote +
“You’ve heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession,” Gramm, a former Texas senator, told the newspaper, adding that the presumptive Republican nominee will face an uphill battle fighting those perceptions.

“We have sort of become a nation of whiners,” he said. “You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in ‘decline’ despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy.”


Article

Obama should pounce and not let go.


Barack's response was that we don't need 2 Doctor Phils.

McCain just came out with a statement today, though, saying this guy doesn't speak for him only he speaks for himself.

I don't know if this was as bad as the Obama campaign going back on the way his campaign is financed though.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-10 19:49:49
July 10 2008 19:47 GMT
#1747
On July 11 2008 04:28 oj- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2008 04:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Bad bad move by the McCain campaign:

This coming from the ECONOMIC ADVISER to John McCain:

“You’ve heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession,” Gramm, a former Texas senator, told the newspaper, adding that the presumptive Republican nominee will face an uphill battle fighting those perceptions.

“We have sort of become a nation of whiners,” he said. “You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in ‘decline’ despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy.”


Article

Obama should pounce and not let go.


Barack's response was that we don't need 2 Doctor Phils.

McCain just came out with a statement today, though, saying this guy doesn't speak for him only he speaks for himself.

I don't know if this was as bad as the Obama campaign going back on the way his campaign is financed though.


This is coming from the economic adviser who also agrees with McCain that the economic situation of this country is simply psychological. And it doesn't help him when he says that economics aren't his strong suit in the first place. Perhaps the 53% jump in house foreclosures in June is simply all in our heads as well.

Obama's flip flop regarding public financing is a minor one in which only Sean Hannity tries to pull. This IMO is a shot in the foot and McCain saying he doesn't speak for his campaign when is the economic adviser isn't really holding water.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 14 2008 01:06 GMT
#1748
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Obama lost another point in both Rasmussen (bringing the race to a true dead heat) and Gallup (where he retains a 3-point advantage). It's still not yet enough to convince our model that anything serious is going on. Part of what's going on here, by the way, is that we've really had very light polling volume over the past week or so -- the whole notion that Obama's numbers are tanking is really just based on two surveys (Newsweek and the Rasmussen tracker). We should know more soon enough.


Let's hope this doesn't continue.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 18 2008 01:09 GMT
#1749
Pisses me off how Obama is getting swiped by all media outlets, and his sliding in the polls which is bad.

McCain gets Social Security but criticizes system

Also Sean Hannity hasn't even been called out by others despite denying attacks against Obama and his wife.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
July 18 2008 01:26 GMT
#1750
I'm baffled. Somehow the guy who thinks that Czechoslovakia still exists is seen as being more knowledgeable about world affairs? wtf?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
July 18 2008 01:33 GMT
#1751
On July 11 2008 04:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Bad bad move by the McCain campaign:

This coming from the ECONOMIC ADVISER to John McCain:

Show nested quote +
“You’ve heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession,” Gramm, a former Texas senator, told the newspaper, adding that the presumptive Republican nominee will face an uphill battle fighting those perceptions.

“We have sort of become a nation of whiners,” he said. “You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in ‘decline’ despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy.”


Article

Obama should pounce and not let go.

You realize that the old folks who have seen it all and actually bother to vote are going to agree with him, right?

Young people don't bother voting. Grumpy old men and women do.
I serve my houseguests slices of butter.
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
July 18 2008 01:35 GMT
#1752
Probably should make a new dedicated thread, since this one was only interesting during the primaries. There is no discussion, it's just hand-wringing over everyone's hero, speculating his success, analyzing pundit remarks about him, etc.. Which is fine, but should probably go in a new thread. Like, "On Barrack" or something. Just tired of seeing this thread bumped :p
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32157 Posts
July 18 2008 14:31 GMT
#1753
Yeah, this thread isn't gonna heat up til past labor day. The Queen of Drama is gone, and anything they're arguing over is old news at this point
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-18 18:11:24
July 18 2008 18:10 GMT
#1754
On July 18 2008 10:35 HeadBangaa wrote:
Probably should make a new dedicated thread, since this one was only interesting during the primaries. There is no discussion, it's just hand-wringing over everyone's hero, speculating his success, analyzing pundit remarks about him, etc.. Which is fine, but should probably go in a new thread. Like, "On Barrack" or something. Just tired of seeing this thread bumped :p

anyone who wants to make a new thread is welcome to, i'm personally too lazy to.

until then i don't see the harm in continuing discussion here - the discussion has slowed down a lot but i still like reading the stuff people have to say when it gets bumped

EDIT: i do regret putting ron paul in the poll though...
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
July 19 2008 23:34 GMT
#1755
closed by request, follow-up thread here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=75460
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