EPT2008 US Presidential Election - Page 86
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On June 25 2008 06:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: McCain's solution to the economy, EBay. McCain's EBay Model for Jobs Finds Few Buyers Among Economists Alright, I know I posted on this before but I just need to post again because his comments bug me so much. I'm going to be pretty pissed if those comments don't dog him for the rest of the election, because they show he doesn't understand basic economics. Economic growth is measured by a country's production, or GDP. Even with a trade deficit, the US is the largest producer in the world. No one else is even close. That includes Consumer goods, Business Investments, Government Expenditures  and Net Exports. So where does eBay fit in? It doesn't. At all. Items sold on eBay are second hand goods, so they have nothing to add to production, having already been produced and accounted for. If 100,000,000 Americans had jobs on eBay, they would still contribute nothing to the economy. Even worse is the grey market nature of the sales, so not all sellers are reporting it on their taxes properly. From what I've seen so far, McCain has an extremely uneducated view of both economics and foreign policy. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
I was really hoping McCain would never be able to gain the trust or even support of the evangelicals in this country but it seems he is doing just that. And that might be the reason why McCain seems to be getting back some of the electoral map. ![[image loading]](http://bp3.blogger.com/_ov-pT1x-W8Y/SGfctsh8f0I/AAAAAAAABrA/4rgWFwLobKU/S1600-R/0629_bigmap.PNG) I just hope he says/does something that helps him alienate more of the right than his past policies have done. | ||
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crabapple
United States397 Posts
bush ran in favor of limited government, individual responsibility, not policing the world... exactly what libertarians and constitutional candidates would run on.. but we all know the fruits of the bush admin. oo lookie memeber of skull and bones, grandfather funded the nazis, still in financial ties with the saudies, CFR... ron paul has never voted for a tax increase. and he does not have any of those organizations' strings on him. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7222 Posts
On June 30 2008 08:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: McCain meets with evangelist Billy Graham and son I was really hoping McCain would never be able to gain the trust or even support of the evangelicals in this country but it seems he is doing just that. And that might be the reason why McCain seems to be getting back some of the electoral map. I just hope he says/does something that helps him alienate more of the right than his past policies have done. If that's the electoral map Obama sweeps into office with a larger EC majority than Bush in either election. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
On June 25 2008 10:37 Jibba wrote: Alright, I know I posted on this before but I just need to post again because his comments bug me so much. I'm going to be pretty pissed if those comments don't dog him for the rest of the election, because they show he doesn't understand basic economics. Economic growth is measured by a country's production, or GDP. Even with a trade deficit, the US is the largest producer in the world. No one else is even close. That includes Consumer goods, Business Investments, Government Expenditures and Net Exports. So where does eBay fit in? It doesn't. At all. Items sold on eBay are second hand goods, so they have nothing to add to production, having already been produced and accounted for. If 100,000,000 Americans had jobs on eBay, they would still contribute nothing to the economy. Even worse is the grey market nature of the sales, so not all sellers are reporting it on their taxes properly. From what I've seen so far, McCain has an extremely uneducated view of both economics and foreign policy. Yes selling toys made in China that you are tired of doesn't grow the economy. BUT, to dismiss ebay entirely as a growth engine is a bit extreme. Lots of people sell stuff they make with their own hands on ebay. And even if it wasnt produced by you doesn't mean that it's not benefitting the economy. It just depends on how the goods were manufactured and whether you are adding any services. For example, If you buy a bunch of Ipods and sell them on ebay for a profit by doing custom engraving or something like that then you ARE benefitting the economy (helping Apple and selling your custom engraving). | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
In that way, giving resellers more money to spend, eBay helps the economy but that's only an indirect effect. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Hopefully this might get some headlines as fear mongering: INDIANAPOLIS - Republican John McCain said Tuesday that his Democratic rival's Supreme Court nominees would produce more decisions like the child rapist ruling that both presidential candidates have criticized. "My opponent may not care for this particular decision, but it was exactly the kind of opinion we could expect from an Obama court," the Arizona senator said. Usually I rely on conservatives like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh to make statements like this but coming from McCain it might help Obama in the polls. When asked by CNN in May whether any current justices would be models for his nominees, Obama replied that he considered Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter to be sensible judges. All three voted in the majority in the child rape case, as did Justices Anthony Kennedy and John Paul Stevens. McCain himself voted to confirm four of the five who voted in the majority. He was not in the Senate in 1975 when Stevens was confirmed. | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
On July 02 2008 10:51 Jibba wrote: Apple already sold the iPod. Your resale has nothing to do with Apple anymore, and given people don't buy iPods for the engraving, you've really only benefited yourself. In that way, giving resellers more money to spend, eBay helps the economy but that's only an indirect effect. Umm what? Engravings are just an example of the kinds of services you can offer on ebay. You didn't address the real point which was that you can sell ANYTHING on ebay. There are hundreds of businesses that use ebay as a storefront for selling merchandise made in the USA. Btw, People don't buy engraved ipods? You might want to google it and see just how much interest there is in engravings. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
There are plenty of places that use eBay as a storefront, but that's not McCain's 2 million eBay sellers. The state of the item is irrelevant, anything already purchased and being resold (Wiis, cameras, computers) is already counted for and has no new value. | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
"So where does eBay fit in? It doesn't. At all." I was just pointing out that it DOES fit in...not all 2 million but at least some. On July 02 2008 16:26 Jibba wrote: No, people don't buy iPods for engravings. You charge extra for the engravings. Its a service that you charge for. On July 02 2008 16:26 Jibba wrote: The iPods are sold anyways, Apple is not benefiting. Of course Apple benefits when you sell their stuff on ebay. Obviously the sale only gets counted once though. These are sales that apple may not have gotten had you not put them up on ebay. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Of course Apple benefits when you sell their stuff on ebay. Obviously the sale only gets counted once though. These are sales that apple may not have gotten had you not put them up on ebay. I'd be shocked if anyone buys an iPod for the engraving over the mp3 player. | ||
Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
On July 02 2008 18:32 Jibba wrote: I'd be shocked if anyone buys an iPod for the engraving over the mp3 player. I think with all this argument about ipods the point is being lost. The point I believe mindspike was trying to make was that not all ebay sales are entirely resales. The engraved ipod was maybe a bad example because it's easy to mistake it as just a resale when in fact you are also selling the engraving service, which is a product itself. So I think mindspike has been trying to say that some businesses use ebay to sell their own goods/services without a physical storefront or other web presence (Correct me if I misinterpreted mindspike). | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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Bockit
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
On July 02 2008 18:54 Bockit wrote: Yeah I should have clarified that I don't really agree with McCain's statement either, it just looked like mindspike was being misunderstood Yes that was exactly my point. TL.net mod to the rescue. 10/10 | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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