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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
June 13 2008 05:02 GMT
#1661
On June 13 2008 13:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/

Show nested quote +
We have just updated 13 state matchup polls between Obama and McCain and of those 12 matched the previous state result... What flipped??? Michigan.

Michigan went from McCain's corner to Obama.. helping to extend Obama's electoral vote lead to over 100.

Here is what the presidential race would look like if it were to be held today, according to our estimations:

* Barack Obama - 320
* John McCain - 218

Michigan is a crucial state but so are so many other states... McCain could add Romney as a VP to help shore up Michigan but that would still put him about 70 EV behind.


Kinda of wary about this, you think this would be major news if this was true.


these early polls are kind of silly, there's so much left before the voting happens, between the debates and picking the VP's
forcasting this early...i always think it's a bit silly
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 13 2008 05:09 GMT
#1662
On June 13 2008 13:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/

Show nested quote +
We have just updated 13 state matchup polls between Obama and McCain and of those 12 matched the previous state result... What flipped??? Michigan.

Michigan went from McCain's corner to Obama.. helping to extend Obama's electoral vote lead to over 100.

Here is what the presidential race would look like if it were to be held today, according to our estimations:

* Barack Obama - 320
* John McCain - 218

Michigan is a crucial state but so are so many other states... McCain could add Romney as a VP to help shore up Michigan but that would still put him about 70 EV behind.


Kinda of wary about this, you think this would be major news if this was true.

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= major news atm
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
June 13 2008 16:07 GMT
#1663
On June 13 2008 09:00 BunkerPush wrote:
Two things id like to know from Obama:

1. What is he going to "change"? I keep hearing this "Change"..

2. And how is he going to do it?

=)

it's annoying when people say this.

as the other guy told you, i really don't get why people don't check out the candidates policy sheet before asking questions like these

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 13 2008 21:59 GMT
#1664
Obama wants payroll tax on incomes above $250,000

The 6.2 percent payroll tax is now applied to all wages up to $102,000 a year, which covers the entire amount for most Americans. Under Obama's plan, the tax would not apply to wages between that amount and $250,000. But all annual salaries above the quarter-million-dollar amount would be taxed under his plan, Obama said.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
BunkerPush
Profile Joined June 2006
United States107 Posts
June 14 2008 00:20 GMT
#1665
Yup and you guys love him. Sad.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
June 14 2008 00:36 GMT
#1666
On June 14 2008 09:20 BunkerPush wrote:
Yup and you guys love him. Sad.


?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
June 14 2008 00:43 GMT
#1667
On June 14 2008 06:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Obama wants payroll tax on incomes above $250,000

Show nested quote +
The 6.2 percent payroll tax is now applied to all wages up to $102,000 a year, which covers the entire amount for most Americans. Under Obama's plan, the tax would not apply to wages between that amount and $250,000. But all annual salaries above the quarter-million-dollar amount would be taxed under his plan, Obama said.


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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 14 2008 01:03 GMT
#1668
taxation is not the answer for class conflicts, look at income and the availability of decent paying jobs.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
BunkerPush
Profile Joined June 2006
United States107 Posts
June 14 2008 01:12 GMT
#1669
You tax payroll 250k or above, whats that going to do for the consumer? Just because you dont make 250k you may think you have nothing to worry about? 6.2% is huge. Remember, this is also for businesses. What happens when this affects a business? You think about it. It all comes around again at some point in time. Damn, I may as well quit my job and claim welfare and have around 10 kids.
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
June 14 2008 18:52 GMT
#1670
Concerns that Obama will shift right economically once elected.


Barack Obama waited just three days after Hillary Clinton pulled out of the race to declare, on CNBC, "Look. I am a pro-growth, free-market guy. I love the market."


Now is the time to worry about Obama's Chicago Boys and their commitment to fending off serious attempts at regulation. It was in the two and a half months between winning the 1992 election and being sworn into office that Bill Clinton did a U-turn on the economy. He had campaigned promising to revise NAFTA, adding labor and environmental provisions and to invest in social programs. But two weeks before his inauguration, he met with then-Goldman Sachs chief Robert Rubin, who convinced him of the urgency of embracing austerity and more liberalization. Rubin told PBS, "President Clinton actually made the decision before he stepped into the Oval Office, during the transition, on what was a dramatic change in economic policy."


you better watch yourself Obama
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
Kingsp4de20
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States716 Posts
June 14 2008 21:30 GMT
#1671
if obama wins i might move to canada
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
June 17 2008 01:38 GMT
#1672
On June 13 2008 09:00 BunkerPush wrote:
Two things id like to know from Obama:

1. What is he going to "change"? I keep hearing this "Change"..

2. And how is he going to do it?

=)


why don't you goto his web page?...
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 17 2008 01:44 GMT
#1673
The Economist ran a story on Obama's economy team this week.

http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11551686
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Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
June 17 2008 03:18 GMT
#1674
On June 17 2008 10:38 MyLostTemple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2008 09:00 BunkerPush wrote:
Two things id like to know from Obama:

1. What is he going to "change"? I keep hearing this "Change"..

2. And how is he going to do it?

=)


why don't you goto his web page?...

considering his subsequent replies it's become clear that was a troll =/
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
June 17 2008 03:23 GMT
#1675
On June 15 2008 03:52 a-game wrote:
Concerns that Obama will shift right economically once elected.

Show nested quote +

Barack Obama waited just three days after Hillary Clinton pulled out of the race to declare, on CNBC, "Look. I am a pro-growth, free-market guy. I love the market."

Show nested quote +

Now is the time to worry about Obama's Chicago Boys and their commitment to fending off serious attempts at regulation. It was in the two and a half months between winning the 1992 election and being sworn into office that Bill Clinton did a U-turn on the economy. He had campaigned promising to revise NAFTA, adding labor and environmental provisions and to invest in social programs. But two weeks before his inauguration, he met with then-Goldman Sachs chief Robert Rubin, who convinced him of the urgency of embracing austerity and more liberalization. Rubin told PBS, "President Clinton actually made the decision before he stepped into the Oval Office, during the transition, on what was a dramatic change in economic policy."


you better watch yourself Obama

This stuff makes me want to yell at all of starry-eyed Obama fans.

Obama is a politician. He is making promises to get elected. He will not keep those promises once he is elected. This is what politicians do. It has been proven over and over again.

"Change" is just his marketing slogan.

Why do I believe that? Because that is the way it has always worked, throughout history, with every elected leader in every mature democracy.
I serve my houseguests slices of butter.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 17 2008 04:27 GMT
#1676
On June 15 2008 06:30 Kingsp4de20 wrote:
if obama wins i might move to canada



lol

why would you move to canada?

If obama won, his policies would make the US more like canada in certain ways
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-17 04:46:58
June 17 2008 04:31 GMT
#1677
Funchucks: are there even any starry eyed obama supporters on this board?

i mean most of us have our own reasons for supporting him. in my case, i suspect at the end of the day when the dust settles obama leans liberal, and that's all that matters to me.

others here probably just like him because he's not named Bush and he doesn't have an R next to his name. i haven't seen too many people here who defend obama with say, the zealousness of a ron paul supporter. i'm possibly the most zealous but that's just because of my secret liberal agenda

EDIT: and i don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to believe obama's rhetoric, so long as you are also taking the time to do a background check.
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
sundaeGURL
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1 Post
June 17 2008 06:20 GMT
#1678
If we well gonna base of what Obama said in his speech at PollClash.The word "change" is just a word. Either canidate would contitute a change. For ex: we are all part in our families, yet we all do not have share the same beliefs nor are we identically same. McCain was a democrate not so long ago. Another great ex: when we need someone with true experience due we reach out for someone whom we know nothing about or how they work? We should want the best experienced person to do the job, his name is McCain.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 17 2008 12:53 GMT
#1679
McCain is becoming senile, and most senatorial experience doesn't translate into White House experience.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 17 2008 21:04 GMT
#1680
Obama promises tuition tax credit

Obama said he would give students a $4,000 tax credit to help pay tuition and fees in exchange for 100 hours of community service. The campaign said the program would cost $10 billion a year.


Pretty interesting.
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