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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-18 01:35:19
June 18 2008 00:47 GMT
#1681
OK i made a post on the last page concerned that obama was going to jerk hard right once elected because of his unprogressive economic circle. i spent all week looking for more information on this Jason Furman guy and finally found some goods:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/jason-and-the-obamanauts/



OK, this furor over Jason Furman’s appointment is silly, on two levels.

1. Furman is a very good guy, with a solid track record as a progressive. You can disagree with him about Walmart — and I do — but his heart is clearly with those who want more social justice and a stronger safety net.

2. He’s not, despite what the story says, Obama’s chief economic policy advisor — he’s the economic policy director, which is a process job: basically, he organizes other people to provide advice. Obviously there could be a real problem if the policy director steered the candidate away from progressive advice, but Furman is, as I said, a solid progressive, and well suited to the job of honest broker.

Maybe I’m wrong, but my sense is that Jason Furman has become a proxy target for some Obama supporters who, now that the Great Satanness has been defeated, are suddenly starting to have the queasy feeling that their hero might be a bit of a …. centrist. I’m tempted to say I told you so; in fact, I guess I just did. But that’s all in the past now.

Anyway, lay off Jason Furman, a good guy who will do his best to defeat a candidate who gets his economic advice from Phil Gramm.


my mind is officially put to ease. i'm sorry i ever doubted you obambi.

EDIT: i'm eating this post. it's nice to see a guy like krugman vouching cred for furman but it doesn't completely resolve the issue.

some of Furman's quotes:
On Wal-Mart
1. “The collateral damage from these efforts to get Wal-Mart to raise its wages and benefits is way too enormous and damaging to working people and the economy more broadly for me to sit idly by and sing “Kum-Ba-Ya” in the interests of progressive harmony.” Slate, 6/26/06
2. “Unfortunately, what happened in Maryland probably is something of a watershed and will create a strong example. But the legislation will not help Wal-Mart workers in Maryland, and my hope is that other states will see that punitive efforts like this won’t be successful.” St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 1/16/06
3. “Wall Mart is a progressive success story.” Washington Post, 11/28/05

On Social Security
1. When asked about private accounts and a higher retirement age, Furman replied “You know, some of this accounts debate is a little bit misplaced. We had a great discussion at the American Enterprise Institute last week of a bipartisan plan. This plan had accounts in it. It’s a good plan because the plan recognized that we needed to bring more revenue into Social Security to maintain the type of replacement rates and retirements that people are expecting. It brought benefits down, but it brought new money in through accounts. Thought it was a good start on the plan.” CNBC, 6/27/06

On Infrastructure as Part of a Stimulus Package
1. “I do think…you should apply a very high degree of skepticism to infrastructure proposals. Proposals that don’t spend out until, for example, 2009, are not going to help the economy when it’s needed, might destabilize it when it’s not needed, and will be offset by the Federal Reserve.” Senate Finance Hearing, 1/24/08

On Trade
1. “I hope the lesson that Democratic candidates take from this is not to bash trade and call for protectionism, but instead to call for a robust safety net. Those are all the best answers.” NPR Morning Edition, 10/9/07
2. “The best thing we can do for free trade is focus on strengthening domestic policies that strengthen social insurance.” International Herald Tribune, 1/31/07

On Labor Policy
1. “I support raising the minimum wage and giving the bottom 10% of wage earners a pay hike. But when we’re talking about workers at the 30th or 40th percentile, spreading the cost of higher wages across consumers more broadly becomes a less attractive proposition.” Slate, 6/26/06
2. “The idea that people are worse off than 20 or 30 years ago is so ludicrous. And I’ve come to appreciate how damaging that is.” New York Times, 8/2/06
3. After the Circuit City mass firings, Furman noted “the flexibility of the U.S. labor force seems to be one reason that recessions have become less frequent and unemployment is less of a problem than in Europe.” International Herald Tribune, 4/5/07


you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 19 2008 20:35 GMT
#1682
Looks like the Press is starting to get rough with Obama, and the Countrywide scandal isn't helping; unless a Republican is also found on the "VIP" list. Then there are still the foaming at the mouth femnazi's who probably plan to suicide bomb the DNC convention.



LA Times Article

Obama's point boiled down to common sense: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Our federal courts have been in business for more than 200 years. They've tried brutal Mafia bosses who controlled entire American cities, violent drug lords, Nazis, spies and the Oklahoma City bombers. U.S. courts have procedures for handling sensitive national security evidence, and they have already successfully tried Al Qaeda terrorists, including "shoe-bomber" Richard Reid and 9/11 plotter Zacarias Moussaoui. These men had their day in court, made idiots of themselves, and now they're locked away in a U.S. supermax prison.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 21 2008 03:38 GMT
#1683
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LonelyMargarita
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
1845 Posts
June 21 2008 04:09 GMT
#1684
On June 21 2008 12:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xy8-QdHQFI


Just so you know, posting smear ads actually hurts your side.
I <3 서지훈
._.
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
1133 Posts
June 21 2008 04:13 GMT
#1685
On June 21 2008 12:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xy8-QdHQFI

I think its cause he's so senile he forgets what he says and loses track of his statements.More or less lying.
:D
aRod
Profile Joined July 2007
United States758 Posts
June 21 2008 04:21 GMT
#1686
On June 21 2008 13:09 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2008 12:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xy8-QdHQFI


Just so you know, posting smear ads actually hurts your side.


Just like the swift boat campaign adds helped John Kerry. Please forgive me if I don't accept your expert political advice.
Live to win.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-21 04:32:22
June 21 2008 04:30 GMT
#1687
Not really an ad but more of actual clips/interviews of John McCain actually saying them then being questioned on such statements.

EDIT: Heck, how many smears have been directed towards Obama for "being" Muslim, linked to terrorism?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-21 04:34:45
June 21 2008 04:34 GMT
#1688
I understand why politicians lie, but I don't understand why the lie about things that can easily be confirmed or shown to be false.

"We walked down the streets with no body armor on."

"We were under sniper fire."

stfu
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
June 21 2008 14:23 GMT
#1689
Dunno if this has been posted yet :p
http://www.newsweek.com/id/142465?from=rss
"The latest NEWSWEEK Poll shows the Democrat with a 15-point lead over McCain."
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-21 14:34:57
June 21 2008 14:30 GMT
#1690
On June 21 2008 13:21 aRod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2008 13:09 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On June 21 2008 12:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xy8-QdHQFI


Just so you know, posting smear ads actually hurts your side.


Just like the swift boat campaign adds helped John Kerry. Please forgive me if I don't accept your expert political advice.

John Kerry couldn't help John Kerry.

Republicans are making a huge mistake by saturating the criticism on Obama for trivial shit. Their strategy should be to back off for a while and wait for a real hardball they can toss. Instead, the public are becoming numb to it and are just going to brush off anything they say as bullshit posturing. "We've heard this for a year now, enough is enough" sorta thing.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
June 21 2008 14:38 GMT
#1691
And yet again, stuck with two lemons for candidates.

Goddamn dems spending money they don't have

Fucking economy is fucked.
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 21 2008 14:51 GMT
#1692
On June 21 2008 23:38 HeadBangaa wrote:
And yet again, stuck with two lemons for candidates.

Goddamn dems spending money they don't have

Fucking economy is fucked.

http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11551769

Economics is a social science and we don't know what the right answer is, all we've got is theories for and against gov't spending. The swing of things has been against spending since the 70s, but our two 2-term republican presidents have been two of the biggest spenders.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
June 21 2008 14:57 GMT
#1693
ending the war will probably save more money than obama would spend with social programs
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
June 21 2008 15:28 GMT
#1694
I liked John Edwards because he was the only one who cared about poor peopled it seemed and i think thats important with something like 30 mil official citizens, not counting illegal ones, being poor.
But yeah he's out and now i want Obama to win this, even though he seems unexperienced, a lot of people will help him make decisions
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
June 21 2008 15:43 GMT
#1695
On June 21 2008 23:38 HeadBangaa wrote:

Goddamn dems spending money they don't have


When it comes to overspending, post-1980 Republicans blow Democrats out of the fucking water.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Skye_MyO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Singapore107 Posts
June 21 2008 15:57 GMT
#1696
On June 22 2008 00:43 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2008 23:38 HeadBangaa wrote:

Goddamn dems spending money they don't have


When it comes to overspending, post-1980 Republicans blow Democrats out of the fucking water.


I think he made the point that the republican choice wasn't a good one either.
Practise, practise, practise.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
June 21 2008 15:58 GMT
#1697
On June 22 2008 00:57 Skye_MyO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2008 00:43 Mindcrime wrote:
On June 21 2008 23:38 HeadBangaa wrote:

Goddamn dems spending money they don't have


When it comes to overspending, post-1980 Republicans blow Democrats out of the fucking water.


I think he made the point that the republican choice wasn't a good one either.


And I'm pretty sure that he singled out democrats on the spending issue. -_-
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 21 2008 15:59 GMT
#1698

Mark Halperin points to some incredibly harsh commentary by AP's Liz Sidoti on Barack Obama today. Halperin says that AP is "objective," which must be a joke, because Sidoti's hit piece was anything but objective.

It opens by emphatically declaring that "Barack Obama chose winning over his word" and concludes with the bitter observation "so much for being a straight shooter."

Normally, I wouldn't waste my time or yours with Sidoti's nonsense, but there's an amusing story to tell involving her that's just too good not to share. It goes back to April 14, when both John McCain and Barack Obama appeared at an event for newspaper editors hosted by the AP.

At the event, the head of AP addressed Barack as "Osama" while John McCain was given a box of Dunkin' Donuts -- with sprinkles. And coffee, with a little cream and a little sugar. By none other than Liz Sidoti.

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/06/ap-scribe-who-s.html
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 24 2008 21:29 GMT
#1699
McCain's solution to the economy, EBay.

McCain's EBay Model for Jobs Finds Few Buyers Among Economists

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee regularly asserts that 1.3 million people worldwide ``make a living off EBay.'' He holds up the figure as evidence the world's largest Internet auctioneer is a model for job and economic growth.


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 24 2008 21:34 GMT
#1700
Massive facepalm needed. Second hand goods sales are not part of GDP.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
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