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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7231 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-23 03:41:48
April 23 2008 03:39 GMT
#1181
1,148k 55% Clinton
947k 45% Obama

93% reporting

200,000 vote margin for Clinton at this point. That's a big dent in the popular vote lead of Obama which RCP has about 500,000 without including Florida. With Florida in the calculation the popular vote difference is a mere 26,000 out of some 28 million+ cast.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 23 2008 04:09 GMT
#1182
On April 23 2008 12:39 NovaTheFeared wrote:
1,148k 55% Clinton
947k 45% Obama

93% reporting

200,000 vote margin for Clinton at this point. That's a big dent in the popular vote lead of Obama which RCP has about 500,000 without including Florida. With Florida in the calculation the popular vote difference is a mere 26,000 out of some 28 million+ cast.


Hopefully Obama will smash Clinton in NC, then follow up with a 1, 2 punch by taking Oregon, and S. Dakota.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
April 23 2008 04:09 GMT
#1183
why won't she fucking quit already.
My dealer is my best friend, and we don't even chill.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7231 Posts
April 23 2008 04:14 GMT
#1184
Obama will win NC and polls show he's very close/tied in Indiana which holds it's race on the same day if I remember correctly. Even after this big loss in Pennsylvania Obama is still a big favorite to win the nomination.
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HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
April 23 2008 04:21 GMT
#1185
To be honest, even a 10% victory looks like too little, too late for Clinton. Obama's polling results in NC are around 5% higher than Clinton's win margin in Penn, and then there's Indiana. Indiana is going to be interesting to watch, given the close nature of the race.
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kyari_
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Romania558 Posts
April 23 2008 10:09 GMT
#1186
yay! finally my state matters!



http://www.myspace.com/kyarikicksass
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
April 23 2008 14:07 GMT
#1187
On April 23 2008 13:09 Rev0lution wrote:
why won't she fucking quit already.


Seriously. I hope the party fucking blacks her out of politics in the future for dicking htis over so much. Everyone else is saying she has no chance without totally fracturing the party, but she insists she still has a shot. It's so fucking stupid.
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FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 23 2008 14:15 GMT
#1188
are you fucking serious? Obama? OMFG? If he wins, I am 100% voting for McCain. NO WAY.
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
April 23 2008 14:18 GMT
#1189
Why..?
wtf was that signature
aRod
Profile Joined July 2007
United States758 Posts
April 23 2008 14:22 GMT
#1190
McCain will allow the national debt to continue rising, start/continue overseas conflicts, give tax breaks to millionaires, and probably start suffering from dementia sometime during his presidency. Anyone who votes for McCain has identity issues or suffers from idiocy.
Live to win.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-23 14:53:57
April 23 2008 14:34 GMT
#1191
RACE AND GENDER MATTER, BUT IN DIFFERENT WAYS

About one in five voters said the race of the candidates was among the top factors in deciding how to vote. About as many said that about the candidates' gender. White voters who said race was a factor supported Clinton over Obama by 3-to-1, while whites who said race wasn't a factor divided between Clinton and Obama more evenly. But race and gender played out as factors in very different ways, with Obama's race apparently a negative for him among white voters, while Clinton's gender was a positive factor for her among men and women who said it contributed to their votes. Those who said gender was a factor tended to favor Clinton, while Obama did better among those who said gender was not a factor.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/133287/page/2

How the hell is race still the top issue for 20% of the Democrats in Pennsylvania? I thought we were living in the 21st century. That's honestly quite pathetic (and we're only looking at those who admitted it). Racists are still keeping Clinton in this race.
Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
April 23 2008 14:48 GMT
#1192
On April 23 2008 23:15 FreeZEternal wrote:
are you fucking serious? Obama? OMFG? If he wins, I am 100% voting for McCain. NO WAY.


sarcasm?
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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
April 23 2008 14:49 GMT
#1193
On April 23 2008 23:34 teamsolid wrote:
How the hell is race still the top issue for 20% of the Democrats in Pennsylvania? I thought we were living in the 20th century.

We aren't, it's the 21st century
But yeah, I get your point. I'd imagine things like race, gender or religion are even a lot more important among republicans.
Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
April 23 2008 14:49 GMT
#1194
McSame is just like Bush. Same policies, same war, same downward spiral economy.

We spend billions in this war that has no goal and no end. Mccain thinks he is a moderate NOW, but once he is president the right wing pressure will dominate his domestic and foreign policy.
My dealer is my best friend, and we don't even chill.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
April 23 2008 15:14 GMT
#1195
On April 23 2008 23:34 teamsolid wrote:
RACE AND GENDER MATTER, BUT IN DIFFERENT WAYS

About one in five voters said the race of the candidates was among the top factors in deciding how to vote. About as many said that about the candidates' gender. White voters who said race was a factor supported Clinton over Obama by 3-to-1, while whites who said race wasn't a factor divided between Clinton and Obama more evenly. But race and gender played out as factors in very different ways, with Obama's race apparently a negative for him among white voters, while Clinton's gender was a positive factor for her among men and women who said it contributed to their votes. Those who said gender was a factor tended to favor Clinton, while Obama did better among those who said gender was not a factor.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/133287/page/2

How the hell is race still the top issue for 20% of the Democrats in Pennsylvania? I thought we were living in the 21st century. That's honestly quite pathetic (and we're only looking at those who admitted it). Racists are still keeping Clinton in this race.



Question: have you ever been to bum-fuck, PA, where a lot of those voters are from? It's all hicks in the sticks outside of the developed areas. It's the exact same thing as South Jersey. A bunch of rednecks who think they are in TN. Racism is still alive and well there. I went out there last yea and must have seen a thousand Confederate flags.
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teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
April 23 2008 15:29 GMT
#1196
On April 24 2008 00:14 Hawk wrote:
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On April 23 2008 23:34 teamsolid wrote:
RACE AND GENDER MATTER, BUT IN DIFFERENT WAYS

About one in five voters said the race of the candidates was among the top factors in deciding how to vote. About as many said that about the candidates' gender. White voters who said race was a factor supported Clinton over Obama by 3-to-1, while whites who said race wasn't a factor divided between Clinton and Obama more evenly. But race and gender played out as factors in very different ways, with Obama's race apparently a negative for him among white voters, while Clinton's gender was a positive factor for her among men and women who said it contributed to their votes. Those who said gender was a factor tended to favor Clinton, while Obama did better among those who said gender was not a factor.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/133287/page/2

How the hell is race still the top issue for 20% of the Democrats in Pennsylvania? I thought we were living in the 21st century. That's honestly quite pathetic (and we're only looking at those who admitted it). Racists are still keeping Clinton in this race.



Question: have you ever been to bum-fuck, PA, where a lot of those voters are from? It's all hicks in the sticks outside of the developed areas. It's the exact same thing as South Jersey. A bunch of rednecks who think they are in TN. Racism is still alive and well there. I went out there last yea and must have seen a thousand Confederate flags.

No, and I sure as hell don't plan to. I'm just pissed that racists are keeping Hillary alive here. If Obama was white, he'd have it wrapped up months ago already. It also gives me some chills about the general election, because I'm sure the % of Repubs that are white supremacists are even higher. Voting McCain in would be a disaster for not just the US, but the world as well. Ohio's the only hick state that's a swing state right?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-23 16:00:29
April 23 2008 15:35 GMT
#1197
i used to give hillary the benefit of sympathy, because i saw her as a political machine that could push through real change. i only care about the lower class and international, pretty much, so hillary's willingness to commit to some old class warfare was seen as a plus. i imagined that she has some genuine commitment on this front, albeit less than the rhetoric she may take at any moment would indicate. hillary seemed too hardcore, and to be hardcore in the given political situation may be a result of powerful attachment to ideal transforming under harsh practicality.

however, she is only taking this position as convenience, and her true heart lies in neoliberal land, with some corporatist tendencies. now, this in itself may not be a big deal, since she is so calculating and thus manipulatable by the given political situation, but it does matter as to the strategy she takes and the consequent political realignment of factions. in the democratic party, she'll bring some pretty nonsensical conflicts, going up against obama complicates things enormously.


the only worry about obama that i had was that he could not win, and was not committed enough to serious change that's a fundamental departure from the old political vision. but, it seems that he could win, and although i do not expect to bank on his rhetorics, after some conversation with people more knowledgeable about contemporary politics, i see obama is the closest to a social democrat out of the field. taking the position that he does, and being what he is, probably will cause good things to happen in terms of political movements.

so yea, hillary should quit already. although personally, i can understand her situation, and this "should" is meant only as political evaluation. it would not be fair to her personally to quit. i imagine most people who say this have the image of hillary as a cranky bitch or something similar, and that really is not fair. politics being what it is, hillary is playing by the books.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 23 2008 17:25 GMT
#1198
By the books, how? By allowing the Republicans to gather more money for funds and concentrate attacks on the Democratic party? By her staying in the race she is repeating Kennedy vs McCarthy for Christ's sake.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
April 23 2008 17:33 GMT
#1199
America can't be stupid enough to vote for a republican again.
If they are, I demand you invade yourself and take out the republican voters.
Focus on the evangelicals first.
Though it will be a tough battle, they are the ones with most of the guns and religious ferver, right?? el o el
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-23 17:46:39
April 23 2008 17:39 GMT
#1200
hillary thinks that her winning the dem nomination and fall in the general is better an outcome for her than fading right now. her goal is not really to win, but to advance as far as she can. it is probably her last shot at the national stage, so she values each level she advances. it is rather nasty.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
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