EPTThe people who want him hung by his testicles from a flag-pole ... they need to realize that when you pay the referees $1 and the players $1 each to play a game where $10 billion in bets are made the probability the outcome results from genuine competition between each player is zero.
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17263 Posts
The people who want him hung by his testicles from a flag-pole ... they need to realize that when you pay the referees $1 and the players $1 each to play a game where $10 billion in bets are made the probability the outcome results from genuine competition between each player is zero. | ||
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Kazi25
Philippines236 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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SKN1995
Japan204 Posts
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biaxiong
United States180 Posts
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
after sAviOr's scandal in BW, we can't believe there are still people who think about doing this even in sc2... absolutely not forgivable | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50630 Posts
On January 30 2017 10:03 biaxiong wrote: Though KESPA is dead, I doubt he'll have a chance in Korea. Come to America baby, we'll open our wall for you. KeSPA isn't dead, it just dropped SC2. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
Also another talking point. Why is matchfixing viewed much worse than cheating? To where lawsuits and potential jail time come out of real world consequences of match fixing... While cheating is just meh. welcome back, have a contract. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16041 Posts
On January 30 2017 11:05 KiF1rE wrote: One thing I always find funny about these types of debates is that the SC2 community will demolish matchfixers and demand they are gone. But then when people that were caught cheating in SCBW were never really punished had decent fanbases in SC2 and signed to pro team. Then the cheaters in SC2 there are players that were caught, not really punished and boom they are still around. Yet people drag life through the mud over and over. Why not show the shame strictness to others that harm competition? Also another talking point. Why is matchfixing viewed much worse than cheating? To where lawsuits and potential jail time come out of real world consequences of match fixing... While cheating is just meh. welcome back, have a contract. With matchfixing you're usually in contact with illegal betting rings. That's what makes it so bad. | ||
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DeadByDawn
United Kingdom476 Posts
Get over him. | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
On January 30 2017 11:05 KiF1rE wrote: One thing I always find funny about these types of debates is that the SC2 community will demolish matchfixers and demand they are gone. But then when people that were caught cheating in SCBW were never really punished had decent fanbases in SC2 and signed to pro team. Then the cheaters in SC2 there are players that were caught, not really punished and boom they are still around. Yet people drag life through the mud over and over. Why not show the shame strictness to others that harm competition? Also another talking point. Why is matchfixing viewed much worse than cheating? To where lawsuits and potential jail time come out of real world consequences of match fixing... While cheating is just meh. welcome back, have a contract. Because matchfixing inherently involves bribery. Losing matches intentionally is not a crime. But accepting money from gamblers to intentionally lose a match is considered a form of bribery and is therefore a serious crime. This is why KESPA and virtually all sports organizations have zero tolerance policy for matchfixing. | ||
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Balosaar
United States35 Posts
I understand the zero tolerance to match-fixing, and do not believe Life should be unbanned... However, I find it disturbing that we are now going to white wash 4 years of Starcraft 2 history. Life was the best Zerg player of Heart of the Swarm... Period. | ||
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Bijan
United States286 Posts
It's already too easy to cheat at esports. There's not enough infrastructure and it's a risk enough as it is even if you're one of the very best in the world. No inch should be given to cheaters and matchfixers. It may be unfortunate for Life that he made such a mistake so young. Maybe his gambling addiction does make him more sympathetic. But nothing changes about what he did and what the consequences need to be. It's not just about Life, it's about every player that comes after that even thinks about throwing a match for money. | ||
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smilingjuggernaut
74 Posts
On January 30 2017 11:14 DeadByDawn wrote: No, what is the point? If I see a match with Life in it and he unexpectedly loses then what conclusion do I draw? How can watching games in those circumstances be enjoyable or worthy of your time. Get over him. Obviously I cant speak for anyone else, but I for one dont care about something as primitive and irrelevant as who wins - the enjoyment of watching starcraft comes from watching moments of brilliance: beautiful mechanics or beautiful presense of mind or beautiful strategical approach/solution to something. If I were to watch a match with Life and he unexpectedly lost, what conclusion would I draw? I wouldnt think much of it. Sometimes players play well, sometimes they play poorly - this is a fact whether or not matchfixing is happening. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On January 30 2017 11:05 KiF1rE wrote: One thing I always find funny about these types of debates is that the SC2 community will demolish matchfixers and demand they are gone. But then when people that were caught cheating in SCBW were never really punished had decent fanbases in SC2 and signed to pro team. Then the cheaters in SC2 there are players that were caught, not really punished and boom they are still around. Yet people drag life through the mud over and over. Why not show the shame strictness to others that harm competition? Also another talking point. Why is matchfixing viewed much worse than cheating? To where lawsuits and potential jail time come out of real world consequences of match fixing... While cheating is just meh. welcome back, have a contract. Which BW matchfixers switched over to be SC2 pros? | ||
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Thaniri
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
Secondly, let me just point out the fact that anyone, at any age and especially around Life's age at the time of the event, can make a dumb mistake or be pressured into doing something bad. You can never say a young person "knew what they were doing" or "knew how bad this is", especially when addiction is involved. 19 is only a number to me. For everyone who says that Life should never be given another chance and should never be forgiven I see zero reasons as to why, so I will completely dismiss those notions entirely because there's no reasoning behind it other than to talk down on someone to make yourself seem more important or righteous somehow. There is so little information about the specifics of the whys, hows, whats, and so on that nobody can definitively say what he deserves, outside of the monetary fine for being caught matchfixing. It is purely speculation that either matchfixing or Life himself contributed to "the downfall of StarCraft 2" as a game or as an esport in any way, but there is a large amount of evidence (his massive fan base and the game's popularity when he was playing) that he himself did contribute in a positive way to the game's popularity as well as to the level of skill in competition because of the strategic knowledge he shared with other players directly, by practicing, or by playing on stage and performing well. On the note of his supposed, although probably true from what I have heard, gambling addiction, I don't believe you should ever blame an addicted person for their behavior unless it is known that the person repeatedly refused help. In my experience, people who get in trouble because of an addiction were never given proper help prior to the event or the person didn't know about their problem until it was too late and still were never given proper care. The correct response, in my opinion and in my experience, to an event in which addiction is involved is not to discredit and talk down on the person with the addiction or to use it as a point in your argument, it is to talk down on the practices, the cultures, and the organizations surrounding the addiction because the heart of the problem is gambling and matchfixing in esports, not Life. I know just as much or even less than most people about the details of Life's matchfixing, but because I cannot say definitively that he should never be forgiven, I must say there is a chance he should be allowed to come back if more information comes to light. For now, all I will say is that I miss watching him play greatly, and I hope he has kept active and positive and is seeking out and receiving help if he needs it. He was a great inspiration to many players, Zerg, Protoss, and Terran, and in more ways than just as a player. P.S. My apologies in advance for any typos I may have made. | ||
Waxangel
United States33559 Posts
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