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France12905 Posts
On June 02 2017 00:10 Regisko wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2017 23:25 lestye wrote:On June 01 2017 23:23 ZeromuS wrote:On June 01 2017 22:47 lestye wrote:On June 01 2017 22:01 Regisko wrote:
Guys,
I'm not a big fan of forums, but I've got some things in my mind on that issue.
First of all, I'm a big fan of Life, I see him as the best player in the world and I disagree with a lifetime ban. For me, it's similar to Armstrong (bicycle races champion) - he's the best even with some cheating done. So, my understanding is that he should be unbanned for now. Not sure that should be discussed with me, just wanted to point out personal position.
But to the point, I have one question.
Why Life is banned permanently, and ByuN, who has been banned around 5 years ago for the same reason, is getting rewards from Blizzard's CEO and is allowed to play everything? Guys, who are convinced that Life should not play anymore - why ByuN is let to play?
Cheers,
Dmitry I don't think Byun was ever criminally charged, for one. Byun was also what, 15? And not a big winner on the international scene. And byun wasnt paid for it. And byun and coca were friends on the same team. And it was a qualifier that coca was already qualified for (played for seeding). And both were punished for it by the league but since it wasn't illegal (no money was paid for the match fix) it didnt end up in court. And kespa wasn't in charge of starcraft at the time it was simply a GOM league. The Life situation was very very different from the Byun one. Byun was just him asking his friend to leave so he could play a game 3 to try and get into Code A. Life was paid a lot of money to lose maps intentionally so that gamblers could win big - breaking the law not just tournament rules - and it was under the kespa framework. So thats why byun can play now, but life cant Oh wow, well said. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't be satisfied with those answers, even if they disagreed with it. Very well said indeed. But, in my world (filled with rainbows and ponies) fair play is 1 or 0. In case you were cheating, no matter how hard, you're a cheater. Laws, organizations, sums of money and age is just a wrapper for this 1 or 0. In case this specific amount of money was necessary to purchase a cure from cancer for his mother, will it change someone's opinion? I mean - wrapping around cheating can be a big changer - but that's morale, and morale is different for everyone.
If your first post wasn't a sufficient proof of trolling, this one is I guess :o.
Nice try tho.
However there should indeed be more information available on TL for the people that genuinely want to know what happened with ByuN.
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On June 02 2017 05:28 Mistakes wrote:
No sympathy. He fucked up. He has to live with it.
I think 1.5 years of hate and ban is enough.
+ i guess his coach/staff are more implicated than him
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The problem I have with Life's case is that it is complete nonsense to prohibit throwing a match.
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FFS people let the man go already. This horse is a year dead and even Jesus only took 3 days. It's past time to move on.
I too was a huge fan of Life back in the day; he is still the best Zerg that has ever played SC2. Doesn't change the fact that he fucked up and he paid the price.
I wish Lee Seung Hyun the best wherever he is now.
But Life is dead.
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On June 02 2017 07:15 DSh1 wrote:
The problem I have with Life's case is that it is complete nonsense to prohibit throwing a match.
You're right. Just throwing is not enough to get banned. Accepting bribes to throw a match however, is enough.
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fuck, i never thought id' be rooting for koreans playing computer games, but when ipxzerg was guaranteed liquipoints I started noticing. Then savior started dominating like beastmode and he stole my heart.
When he lost to Bisu red flags were popping up, but the fuckin guy had throw matches. Thanks savior, i let my nerd guard down and your owned it.
This is for the guy who said get over it earlier, sometimes it's just not that easy.
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On June 02 2017 07:44 pvsnp wrote:
FFS people let the man go already. This horse is a year dead and even Jesus only took 3 days. It's past time to move on.
I too was a huge fan of Life back in the day; he is still the best Zerg that has ever played SC2. Doesn't change the fact that he fucked up and he paid the price.
I wish Lee Seung Hyun the best wherever he is now.
But Life is dead.
What about soO 5X gsl champ !
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On June 01 2017 22:01 Regisko wrote:
Guys,
I'm not a big fan of forums, but I've got some things in my mind on that issue.
First of all, I'm a big fan of Life, I see him as the best player in the world and I disagree with a lifetime ban. For me, it's similar to Armstrong (bicycle races champion) - he's the best even with some cheating done. So, my understanding is that he should be unbanned for now. Not sure that should be discussed with me, just wanted to point out personal position.
But to the point, I have one question.
Why Life is banned permanently, and ByuN, who has been banned around 5 years ago for the same reason, is getting rewards from Blizzard's CEO and is allowed to play everything? Guys, who are convinced that Life should not play anymore - why ByuN is let to play?
Cheers,
Dmitry
In what part of the world is Lance Armstrong seen as anything but a cheat? He is stripped of all his glory, and hated by everyone in the community. He is absolutely nothing but a fraud.
On topic: I dont think there should be any second chances for matchfixers. These scandals drag esports down, and harsh penalties will deter people from fixing in the future.
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Rofl Armstrong wasnt as hated as media said
And you cant compare 5 maps thrown with it
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Stop comparing Armstrong with Life please, Life never cheated to win.
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These discussions will get crazier if he reaches Rank 1 in the ladder. Of course, zero chance he will be back to play competitively but somehow, I'm yearning to see at least one or two of his ladder games every once in a while. 
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On June 02 2017 07:15 DSh1 wrote:
The problem I have with Life's case is that it is complete nonsense to prohibit throwing a match.
the problem with throwing a match is that no one is going to pay to to play competitively ever again and you won't be allowed to play in competitive leagues anymore. other than that, its fine ofc. it's not like he was just laddering.
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On June 02 2017 07:15 DSh1 wrote:
The problem I have with Life's case is that it is complete nonsense to prohibit throwing a match.
Illegal gambling and bribery on the other hand, is completely criminal.
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On June 01 2017 23:33 Waxangel wrote:
fuck, I told myself I would clear up the MASSIVE MISINFORMATION about the ByuN thing if it ever came up again, ugh
brb working on it
I think we can all agree that it was Slayers' fault for sending all their terrans to MLG and Coca had no one to practice with except against ByuN in an online cup so they played an extra game for practice against the spirit of the competition and the rules. thanks a lot MMA
people were more mad at ByuN for abusing broken map against Nestea anyway with ramp block on the wrong map version without telling the referees in a later GSL anyway
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Blizzard ((((((kespa))))) is more severe than sport federation...
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hey im too old to know about life but was he as good as savior?
edit - actually i think i do remember life.
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can't wait for these threads to come up once a year for the rest of my life
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if you want e-sports to be taken seriously, cheating/hacking and illegal gambling deserves a life ban. I don't care about your age/gender. This is how life is. If you are a convicted criminal you cant become a cop later in life either. You have to live with the consequences of your actions for the rest of your life because you cannot undo your "crime".
If this sounds bleak and harsh to you: good! So you can think about your actions next time before you do anything.
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Rofl, the whole scene was under the influence of illegal bets, because the coach or some people arround because they put bookmakers in contact with the players.
And only one player takes the sanction for everyone. He dont deserves it, i dont think blizzard is that idiot to believe that's 100% Life fault.
+After its easy to put pressure on a player of that age by putting the sword over his head with blackmail
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