EPT1 year since Life has been arrested - Page 21
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
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Regisko
Ukraine20 Posts
I'm not a big fan of forums, but I've got some things in my mind on that issue. First of all, I'm a big fan of Life, I see him as the best player in the world and I disagree with a lifetime ban. For me, it's similar to Armstrong (bicycle races champion) - he's the best even with some cheating done. So, my understanding is that he should be unbanned for now. Not sure that should be discussed with me, just wanted to point out personal position. But to the point, I have one question. Why Life is banned permanently, and ByuN, who has been banned around 5 years ago for the same reason, is getting rewards from Blizzard's CEO and is allowed to play everything? Guys, who are convinced that Life should not play anymore - why ByuN is let to play? Cheers, Dmitry | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
One went to the court, the other was banned from participating in tournament by his team (in addition of being removed from the said tournament anyway). Life's ban comes from his matchfixing link with betting sites and underground people. Whereas Buyn's was from asking his -already qualified- opponent to give him a second chance in a BO3, with no betting, nor third party involved. | ||
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lestye
United States4243 Posts
On June 01 2017 22:01 Regisko wrote: Guys, I'm not a big fan of forums, but I've got some things in my mind on that issue. First of all, I'm a big fan of Life, I see him as the best player in the world and I disagree with a lifetime ban. For me, it's similar to Armstrong (bicycle races champion) - he's the best even with some cheating done. So, my understanding is that he should be unbanned for now. Not sure that should be discussed with me, just wanted to point out personal position. But to the point, I have one question. Why Life is banned permanently, and ByuN, who has been banned around 5 years ago for the same reason, is getting rewards from Blizzard's CEO and is allowed to play everything? Guys, who are convinced that Life should not play anymore - why ByuN is let to play? Cheers, Dmitry I don't think Byun was ever criminally charged, for one. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On June 01 2017 22:01 Regisko wrote: Guys, I'm not a big fan of forums, but I've got some things in my mind on that issue. First of all, I'm a big fan of Life, I see him as the best player in the world and I disagree with a lifetime ban. For me, it's similar to Armstrong (bicycle races champion) - he's the best even with some cheating done. So, my understanding is that he should be unbanned for now. Not sure that should be discussed with me, just wanted to point out personal position. But to the point, I have one question. Why Life is banned permanently, and ByuN, who has been banned around 5 years ago for the same reason, is getting rewards from Blizzard's CEO and is allowed to play everything? Guys, who are convinced that Life should not play anymore - why ByuN is let to play? Cheers, Dmitry Lance Arsmtrong is the ultimate scumbag lmao. ''Cancer made me stronger so I won 7 Tours de France'' I dont think using him as an example as to why Life should be allowed to play again is useful. But you are right that they are akin; because of their illegal actions they both took away lots of credibility from their respective disciplins. I think the kid should absolutely get a 2nd chance, but it shouldnt be gaming. | ||
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evolsiefil
143 Posts
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0mg_t1red
Russian Federation104 Posts
On January 30 2017 07:21 CrayonSc2 wrote: In pennsylvania you get a misdemeanor for possession of 1 gram of heroin. The kid played a video game. To bad its a 3rd world country basically. So I dont see the point. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13426 Posts
On June 01 2017 22:47 lestye wrote: I don't think Byun was ever criminally charged, for one. Byun was also what, 15? And not a big winner on the international scene. And byun wasnt paid for it. And byun and coca were friends on the same team. And it was **Correction** a weekly cup with a code A seed as a prize. And both were punished for it by the league but since it wasn't illegal (no money was paid for the match fix) it didnt end up in court. And kespa wasn't in charge of starcraft at the time it was simply a GOM league. The Life situation was very very different from the Byun one. Byun was just him asking his friend to leave so he could play a game 3 to try and get into Code A. Life was paid a lot of money to lose maps intentionally so that gamblers could win big - breaking the law not just tournament rules - and it was under the kespa framework. So thats why byun can play now, but life cant | ||
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lestye
United States4243 Posts
On June 01 2017 23:23 ZeromuS wrote: Byun was also what, 15? And not a big winner on the international scene. And byun wasnt paid for it. And byun and coca were friends on the same team. And it was a qualifier that coca was already qualified for (played for seeding). And both were punished for it by the league but since it wasn't illegal (no money was paid for the match fix) it didnt end up in court. And kespa wasn't in charge of starcraft at the time it was simply a GOM league. The Life situation was very very different from the Byun one. Byun was just him asking his friend to leave so he could play a game 3 to try and get into Code A. Life was paid a lot of money to lose maps intentionally so that gamblers could win big - breaking the law not just tournament rules - and it was under the kespa framework. So thats why byun can play now, but life cant Oh wow, well said. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't be satisfied with those answers, even if they disagreed with it. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Not like there hasn't been stories of people being allowed back from match fixing (see VP's Solo in dota 2), but I think that's harmful no matter how talented they are, even if you believe they will never throw a game again + Show Spoiler [For people not knowing the context of…] + He threw a match for 322 dollars in a very minor game (like many other match fixers), 322 is now synonymous with throwing a game, even though it's used very lightheartedly. Solo got a year or so ban and was allowed back to compete. VP just got second at the last major dota tournament, so his situation is similar to Life's, other than him being Russian and not being as succesful then as he is now | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
Life was the starcraft 2 Contador, and if they had banned Contador for life, it would have damaged cycling even more than a 1.5-year ban. Or Juventus. | ||
Waxangel
United States33707 Posts
brb working on it | ||
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lestye
United States4243 Posts
On June 01 2017 23:30 Iplaythings wrote: I'll echo what other has said: Match fixers have no place in e-sports. They've broke the trust that allowed them to compete. Not like there hasn't been stories of people being allowed back from match fixing (see VP's Solo in dota 2), but I think that's harmful no matter how talented they are, even if you believe they will never throw a game again + Show Spoiler [For people not knowing the context of…] + He threw a match for 322 dollars in a very minor game (like many other match fixers), 322 is now synonymous with throwing a game, even though it's used very lightheartedly. Solo got a year or so ban and was allowed back to compete. VP just got second at the last major dota tournament, so his situation is similar to Life's, other than him being Russian and not being as succesful then as he is now There's more to it than that. He was only banned from Starladder. Joindota honored the Starladder ban as well. He was never banned by Valve. What makes me mad about that situation is that Solo never had to suffer through that entire ban. I think they let him back after 3-4 months anyway. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10873 Posts
EDIT : On June 01 2017 23:33 Waxangel wrote: fuck, I told myself I would clear up the MASSIVE MISINFORMATION about the ByuN thing if it ever came up again, ugh brb working on it LOL expecting an update soon waxy | ||
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Damusson
Canada54 Posts
On June 01 2017 23:18 evolsiefil wrote: lets not spark this discussion again, we all know that opinions are very split here with regard to that. it would be way more important to know if anyone here has any inside information or any means to contact life and ask him about what his plans are regarding sc2. because after all, life has been playing a shitton of sc2 again lately. he is playing daily basically. is he trying to get his form back to maybe start streaming? or maybe he found a way to participate in smaller tourneys/ leagues? maybe he got pardoned by blizzard and we just dont know it yet? because frankly, he is playing way too much for it being just for funzies. How do you know he's playing a lot, or at all even? | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
grandmaster 40 zerg Kachinsky [KT Rolster] Life (llllllllllll) 6413 57% 50-38 1388 It's not a lot but he is playing at a decent lvl at least | ||
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Regisko
Ukraine20 Posts
On June 01 2017 23:25 lestye wrote: Oh wow, well said. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't be satisfied with those answers, even if they disagreed with it. Very well said indeed. But, in my world (filled with rainbows and ponies) fair play is 1 or 0. In case you were cheating, no matter how hard, you're a cheater. Laws, organizations, sums of money and age is just a wrapper for this 1 or 0. In case this specific amount of money was necessary to purchase a cure from cancer for his mother, will it change someone's opinion? I mean - wrapping around cheating can be a big changer - but that's morale, and morale is different for everyone. | ||
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evolsiefil
143 Posts
On June 02 2017 00:05 DieuCure wrote: http://sc2unmasked.com/Ladder?server=kr&top_league=gm&page=1 It's not a lot but he is playing at a decent lvl at least he is playing on a different account as well (some protoss as well actually). also life left league a few times so he in fact played way way way more games than what your link suggests. | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
On June 01 2017 23:33 Waxangel wrote: fuck, I told myself I would clear up the MASSIVE MISINFORMATION about the ByuN thing if it ever came up again, ugh brb working on it Where? His Liquipedia page seems ok at least. | ||
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Mistakes
United States1105 Posts
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