Do any of you actually know the kind of life that progamers live? Do any of you realize Life's situation? Jesus Christ. My cousin's Kwanro, the pro from Brood War, and after talking with him, the life of a SC2 progamer is far from normal. You're literally taken as an elementary/middle school student, your formative years when your morals are still being shaped, placed in a hyper intensive environment, and grinded out for one thing. One of the things my cousin impressed on me was how different your average person is from your progamer especially from SC2. He even went so far as to say he was delusional as a progamer in that environment.
Life had no real proper upbringing with his parents, he was on marijuana, he had a gambling addiction, and no one was there to stop him or guide him. You think his coaches are going to say anything? No! They don't care as long as he keeps producing results and getting the sponsors so that they're getting paid especially in a game with a scene that's slowly dying. Besides, coaches aren't parents and most coaches are former pro players themselves and won't have had a proper upbringing themselves.
Is it Life's fault that he matchfixed? Sure the actual decision was made by him so he's at fault. But who's really at fault? The whole progaming system. That's like killing dogs brutalized by owners or putting shoplifters in jail for life. He'll have learned his lesson by now after coughing up ~$61,000 and facing jail.
My opinion? I'm not too sure about letting Life play again. That's a bad example and he probably shouldn't be let back. But ya'll calling for death, execution, life sentence in jail, blaming Life for killing off SC2, you guys are either extraordinarily delusional, severely lacking in empathy, using moral high ground to justify your own lack of comparable skill at the game, or saying random shit without actually knowing anything about the lives or environment these guys are in.
A crime is a crime and has punishments. Thinking about benefits and drawbacks, if it doesn't inlcude literal human lifes, is very questionable.
What is and what is not deemed a crime is not set in stone; it is agreed upon continually - as is the case for what is deemed appropriate punishment.
Guess how societies, countries, communities etc agree upon what is deemed a crime and what is deemed appropriate punishment: that's right! By considering the benefits and drawbacks!!!!
You're right, that's why surgeons who commit murder shouldn't be prosecuted because they save hundreds of lives in a year, right? What's 1 lost life to 100 saved? Consider the benefits and drawbacks!
No. This is stupid. Violate the integrity of competition and get banned, it's that simple, no matter if you are a celebrity player or a low-rank practice partner.
Again, it's not about who does the crime. It's your fundamental misunderstanding of that that leads you to create this analogy where someone who is more useful than someone else gets to be punished less under a "benefit and drawback" logic. That's not what is being discussed, but the benefit and the drawback of punishment x as it is applied to people as a whole.
On March 15 2017 01:09 SKNielsen1989 wrote:
On March 15 2017 01:08 Jealous wrote:
On March 15 2017 00:58 SKNielsen1989 wrote:
A crime is a crime and has punishments. Thinking about benefits and drawbacks, if it doesn't inlcude literal human lifes, is very questionable.
What is and what is not deemed a crime is not set in stone; it is agreed upon continually - as is the case for what is deemed appropriate punishment.
Guess how societies, countries, communities etc agree upon what is deemed a crime and what is deemed appropriate punishment: that's right! By considering the benefits and drawbacks!!!!
You're right, that's why surgeons who commit murder shouldn't be prosecuted because they save hundreds of lives in a year, right? What's 1 lost life to 100 saved? Consider the benefits and drawbacks!
No. This is stupid. Violate the integrity of competition and get banned, it's that simple, no matter if you are a celebrity player or a low-rank practice partner.
Oh god another simple minded moron appears. Im done here. You guys are too dumb.
Please never do that.
The only reason we're having this discussion at all is because it happened to Life. It's even in the title of the thread. How can you pretend that the "who" is not* a driving factor in this conversation?
Anyway, I'll humor your perspective.
Pros: upholds the traditions of the scene, legitimizes the scene by upholding standards of fair play, serves as a deterrent for future potential cheaters.
Cons: some Life fans are more upset about their player not being able to play anymore than they are about him defiling the sanctity of competitive spirit in the game they love, perhaps to the point of no longer watching it because they were a fan of a player more than anything else, which is a shallow allegiance to begin with.
You can't deny the "who" part is also leading people to hate on Life even more. Anyone who's had their favorite pro lose to Life definitely hate the kid more. I remember when the matchfixing news first came out, while Life fans obviously claimed he would never do such a thing, I remember an equal share of posts saying ofc he was shady asf in X match because herO/Inno/other pro of course wouldn't lose to Life. Meanwhile your reasonable people essentially stated "innocent until proven guilty". And of course, once the argument that matchfixing meant you threw matches and not win them was made, those biased against Life immediately changed their arguments.
Edit2:
On March 15 2017 17:51 SuperFanBoy wrote: Sc2 needs Life more than Life needs sc2 right now. Sc2 needs a superstar that can dominate the scene to pull viewers and bring in sponsorship money. There is nobody in the scene right now that can do that, there is no player currently in the scene doing what Life and MVP did.
The top 2 zergs (Solar/Dark) are not even comparable to Life in his prime.
The pro scene right now is very lacklustre at the moment and sc2 is declining fast.
Let's hope blackjeff really is him and that he does make a come back.
Yeah and this is a pretty terrible argument. Life coming back will do absolutely nothing for the game. While Life fans might be happy, anti-Life people will be just as mad and maybe go so far as to leave the scene although those remaining are likely only the diehards.
Edit3: OP is clearly biased for Life but he isn't wrong. Discussion about matchfixing should be a thing. Sweeping it under the rug won't do anything. I really don't think Life should be let back though. There's nothing to come back to anyway and it's not like he's gonna save the scene by himself, and it's going to create unnecessary controversy. Life is Life. Dude was a natural and one of the GOATs but his time is past.
No one is denying that he was a great player, but you're not addressing any of the relevant arguments presented in this thread and are therefore contributing nothing. Although, given your handle, I can see why.
On March 15 2017 19:08 Jealous wrote: No one is denying that he was a great player, but you're not addressing any of the relevant arguments presented in this thread and are therefore contributing nothing. Although, given your handle, I can see why.
There are no relevant arguments in this thread or anywhere else cause there's nothing inherently better about one solution or the other, it's all about how you feel about punishment in general.
On March 15 2017 19:08 Jealous wrote: No one is denying that he was a great player, but you're not addressing any of the relevant arguments presented in this thread and are therefore contributing nothing. Although, given your handle, I can see why.
There are no relevant arguments in this thread or anywhere else cause there's nothing inherently better about one solution or the other, it's all about how you feel about punishment in general.
Except he didn't even address punishment in that last post, which is clearly the subject of the discussion, which is clearly avoidance and therefore doesn't contribute anything.
On March 15 2017 19:08 Jealous wrote: No one is denying that he was a great player, but you're not addressing any of the relevant arguments presented in this thread and are therefore contributing nothing. Although, given your handle, I can see why.
There are no relevant arguments in this thread or anywhere else cause there's nothing inherently better about one solution or the other, it's all about how you feel about punishment in general.
Except he didn't even address punishment in that last post, which is clearly the subject of the discussion, which is clearly avoidance and therefore doesn't contribute anything.
Hello? I clearly say Life basically got what he deserved and he shouldn't be given a second chance.
But yeah, the majority of my post was devoted to calling for some empathy, pointing out some hypocrisy, and saying how little people probably actually know about Life's position.
Also if you have personal beef with me, PM and keep it out of thread. idk who you are tho but you mention my "handle" like you know me. @_@
"It is about seeing the genius of Michael Jordan, Magnus Carlsen, Tiger Woods, Phil Ivey, or in extreme AlphaGo. — and in my view, Life belonged among them." just... no sorry.
he can play casually no problem, should just not be allowed back in any league, he could even stream, all the bad publicity would probably get him viewers anyway
On March 15 2017 05:33 Captainfail wrote: Punishment serves only 2 JUST purposes: Deterrence and Rehabilitation. Anything else is vindictive and cruel.
I think there's sufficient deterrence from match-fixing a timed ban, a fine, some time in jail, and a really bad reputation. Oh sure we could maximize deterrence even more than we already have if we say, non stop torture for 5 years and then kill anyone who match fixes but ... I think we all agree that is a terrible idea.
Again, "vindictive" and "cruel" are not 2 words you can use about a permanent ban from playing a video game for money. Society doesn't need Life to play that video game professionally. Life doesn't need to play that video game professionally. He's young, he can still do literally anything else. Nobody is suffering here. Pretty sure everyone has moved on except his fans.
On March 15 2017 22:39 PuckSama. wrote: "It is about seeing the genius of Michael Jordan, Magnus Carlsen, Tiger Woods, Phil Ivey, or in extreme AlphaGo. — and in my view, Life belonged among them." just... no sorry.
Haha that was just funny. Esports fans can get quite overappreciative of how competitive their game really is.
On March 15 2017 19:08 Jealous wrote: No one is denying that he was a great player, but you're not addressing any of the relevant arguments presented in this thread and are therefore contributing nothing. Although, given your handle, I can see why.
There are no relevant arguments in this thread or anywhere else cause there's nothing inherently better about one solution or the other, it's all about how you feel about punishment in general.
Except he didn't even address punishment in that last post, which is clearly the subject of the discussion, which is clearly avoidance and therefore doesn't contribute anything.
Hello? I clearly say Life basically got what he deserved and he shouldn't be given a second chance.
But yeah, the majority of my post was devoted to calling for some empathy, pointing out some hypocrisy, and saying how little people probably actually know about Life's position.
Also if you have personal beef with me, PM and keep it out of thread. idk who you are tho but you mention my "handle" like you know me. @_@
I wasn't talking about you lol. I was talking about the poster directly above my post? SuperFanBoy? Pls man.
For the "special treatment for life"-argument: many people argued that a lifetime ban was to harsh back when the matchfixing of Yoda and B4 got revealed. The difference is not that Life has more advocates now, a year later, but that he almost had none when his case got revealed - probably because it was a bigger scandal because of his fame. Very few even thought about unbanning Life under the impression of the huge upset that Life's matchfixing was. Now everybody calmed down a bit and we can discuss questions that would've been inappropiate back then. So yes, Life gets special treatment - but not for his good.
My opinion on a comeback of Life (or any matchfixer) as expressed before: It shouldn't be easy to be allowed to play again after such an incident, but having no possible way of redemption for a player that truly regrets and is ready to give very much for this is nothing to be proud of as a community.
Alright, that explains the foundation of this thread in a somewhat different light. There have always been vocal Life supporters though, or perhaps I simply remember them because they stood out from the crowd. Either way...
I don't know if we can conclusively agree on any of the attributions you hung on Life's shoulders.
a) How do we know he "truly regrets?" Logically, everyone regrets being in jail/on probation/whatever, but that does not necessarily mean they regret their actions - they regret getting caught. The fact that he filed an appeal, as others have noted, shows a certain lack of remorse and an attempt to "get away with it."
b) How do we know he is "ready to give very much for this?" A poster earlier said that some other pro said that Life doesn't even play anymore. So what would he be really giving for this? Of course, one person's speculation/word-of-mouth rumor isn't worth much, but you both have the burden of proof. He at least semi-cited a semi-verifiable source.
There has been vocal Life supporters. That's right. But they mostly defended Life as long as nothing was proven. So this was no discussion about "can he come back even if he matchfixed?" but about "can we punish him for something that's not proven yet?".
Of course we don't know if Life "truly regrets" and is "ready to give very much". It's about Life to show that attitude convincingly to the community - if he wants to. But the way the issue is handled right now, there is no way Life could achieve anything, so he won't do anything as long as we don't send at least a small signal of hope for him getting somehow accepted in the scene again. Just to express it figuratively: The way the matchfixers were dismissed in Korean media didn't only shut the door for life and others - it also locked the door, threw the key away and build a wall around the building with barbwire on top.
For the "special treatment for life"-argument: many people argued that a lifetime ban was to harsh back when the matchfixing of Yoda and B4 got revealed. The difference is not that Life has more advocates now, a year later, but that he almost had none when his case got revealed - probably because it was a bigger scandal because of his fame. Very few even thought about unbanning Life under the impression of the huge upset that Life's matchfixing was. Now everybody calmed down a bit and we can discuss questions that would've been inappropiate back then. So yes, Life gets special treatment - but not for his good.
My opinion on a comeback of Life (or any matchfixer) as expressed before: It shouldn't be easy to be allowed to play again after such an incident, but having no possible way of redemption for a player that truly regrets and is ready to give very much for this is nothing to be proud of as a community.
Alright, that explains the foundation of this thread in a somewhat different light. There have always been vocal Life supporters though, or perhaps I simply remember them because they stood out from the crowd. Either way...
I don't know if we can conclusively agree on any of the attributions you hung on Life's shoulders.
a) How do we know he "truly regrets?" Logically, everyone regrets being in jail/on probation/whatever, but that does not necessarily mean they regret their actions - they regret getting caught. The fact that he filed an appeal, as others have noted, shows a certain lack of remorse and an attempt to "get away with it."
b) How do we know he is "ready to give very much for this?" A poster earlier said that some other pro said that Life doesn't even play anymore. So what would he be really giving for this? Of course, one person's speculation/word-of-mouth rumor isn't worth much, but you both have the burden of proof. He at least semi-cited a semi-verifiable source.
There has been vocal Life supporters. That's right. But they mostly defended Life as long as nothing was proven. So this was no discussion about "can he come back even if he matchfixed?" but about "can we punish him for something that's not proven yet?".
Of course we don't know if Life "truly regrets" and is "ready to give very much". It's about Life to show that attitude convincingly to the community - if he wants to. But the way the issue is handled right now, there is no way Life could achieve anything, so he won't do anything as long as we don't send at least a small signal of hope for him getting somehow accepted in the scene again. Just to express it figuratively: The way the matchfixers were dismissed in Korean media didn't only shut the door for life and others - it also locked the door, threw the key away and build a wall around the building with barbwire on top.
Good, I say. Look at it this way - it happened years prior with Savior and co. exactly the same way. So he absolutely could not be ignorant of the consequences. If you are informed of the consequences and decide to commit the crime anyway, then I believe you fully deserve the punishment.
For the "special treatment for life"-argument: many people argued that a lifetime ban was to harsh back when the matchfixing of Yoda and B4 got revealed. The difference is not that Life has more advocates now, a year later, but that he almost had none when his case got revealed - probably because it was a bigger scandal because of his fame. Very few even thought about unbanning Life under the impression of the huge upset that Life's matchfixing was. Now everybody calmed down a bit and we can discuss questions that would've been inappropiate back then. So yes, Life gets special treatment - but not for his good.
My opinion on a comeback of Life (or any matchfixer) as expressed before: It shouldn't be easy to be allowed to play again after such an incident, but having no possible way of redemption for a player that truly regrets and is ready to give very much for this is nothing to be proud of as a community.
Alright, that explains the foundation of this thread in a somewhat different light. There have always been vocal Life supporters though, or perhaps I simply remember them because they stood out from the crowd. Either way...
I don't know if we can conclusively agree on any of the attributions you hung on Life's shoulders.
a) How do we know he "truly regrets?" Logically, everyone regrets being in jail/on probation/whatever, but that does not necessarily mean they regret their actions - they regret getting caught. The fact that he filed an appeal, as others have noted, shows a certain lack of remorse and an attempt to "get away with it."
b) How do we know he is "ready to give very much for this?" A poster earlier said that some other pro said that Life doesn't even play anymore. So what would he be really giving for this? Of course, one person's speculation/word-of-mouth rumor isn't worth much, but you both have the burden of proof. He at least semi-cited a semi-verifiable source.
There has been vocal Life supporters. That's right. But they mostly defended Life as long as nothing was proven. So this was no discussion about "can he come back even if he matchfixed?" but about "can we punish him for something that's not proven yet?".
Of course we don't know if Life "truly regrets" and is "ready to give very much". It's about Life to show that attitude convincingly to the community - if he wants to. But the way the issue is handled right now, there is no way Life could achieve anything, so he won't do anything as long as we don't send at least a small signal of hope for him getting somehow accepted in the scene again. Just to express it figuratively: The way the matchfixers were dismissed in Korean media didn't only shut the door for life and others - it also locked the door, threw the key away and build a wall around the building with barbwire on top.
If you are informed of the consequences and decide to commit the crime anyway, then I believe you fully deserve the punishment.
No matter the punishment? Because that's the interesting part here. I would say that almost nobody believes that Life (or any other player who did the same) doesn't deserve any punishment (even though i read some people say "it's just a videogame" ) But what about the actual punishment he got? This is obviously very subjective but imo also the only real interesting topic of discussion in this instance.
For the "special treatment for life"-argument: many people argued that a lifetime ban was to harsh back when the matchfixing of Yoda and B4 got revealed. The difference is not that Life has more advocates now, a year later, but that he almost had none when his case got revealed - probably because it was a bigger scandal because of his fame. Very few even thought about unbanning Life under the impression of the huge upset that Life's matchfixing was. Now everybody calmed down a bit and we can discuss questions that would've been inappropiate back then. So yes, Life gets special treatment - but not for his good.
My opinion on a comeback of Life (or any matchfixer) as expressed before: It shouldn't be easy to be allowed to play again after such an incident, but having no possible way of redemption for a player that truly regrets and is ready to give very much for this is nothing to be proud of as a community.
Alright, that explains the foundation of this thread in a somewhat different light. There have always been vocal Life supporters though, or perhaps I simply remember them because they stood out from the crowd. Either way...
I don't know if we can conclusively agree on any of the attributions you hung on Life's shoulders.
a) How do we know he "truly regrets?" Logically, everyone regrets being in jail/on probation/whatever, but that does not necessarily mean they regret their actions - they regret getting caught. The fact that he filed an appeal, as others have noted, shows a certain lack of remorse and an attempt to "get away with it."
b) How do we know he is "ready to give very much for this?" A poster earlier said that some other pro said that Life doesn't even play anymore. So what would he be really giving for this? Of course, one person's speculation/word-of-mouth rumor isn't worth much, but you both have the burden of proof. He at least semi-cited a semi-verifiable source.
There has been vocal Life supporters. That's right. But they mostly defended Life as long as nothing was proven. So this was no discussion about "can he come back even if he matchfixed?" but about "can we punish him for something that's not proven yet?".
Of course we don't know if Life "truly regrets" and is "ready to give very much". It's about Life to show that attitude convincingly to the community - if he wants to. But the way the issue is handled right now, there is no way Life could achieve anything, so he won't do anything as long as we don't send at least a small signal of hope for him getting somehow accepted in the scene again. Just to express it figuratively: The way the matchfixers were dismissed in Korean media didn't only shut the door for life and others - it also locked the door, threw the key away and build a wall around the building with barbwire on top.
If you are informed of the consequences and decide to commit the crime anyway, then I believe you fully deserve the punishment.
No matter the punishment? Because that's the interesting part here. I would say that almost nobody believes that Life (or any other player who did the same) doesn't deserve any punishment (even though i read some people say "it's just a videogame" ) But what about the actual punishment he got? This is obviously very subjective but imo also the only real interesting topic of discussion in this instance.
Why was the punishment given for match fixing not an issue for people until Life got punished?
He gave back the money he earned through illegal practices, got probation, and can't play SC2 for money anymore. OH NOOOESSSS HOW CRUEL.
For the "special treatment for life"-argument: many people argued that a lifetime ban was to harsh back when the matchfixing of Yoda and B4 got revealed. The difference is not that Life has more advocates now, a year later, but that he almost had none when his case got revealed - probably because it was a bigger scandal because of his fame. Very few even thought about unbanning Life under the impression of the huge upset that Life's matchfixing was. Now everybody calmed down a bit and we can discuss questions that would've been inappropiate back then. So yes, Life gets special treatment - but not for his good.
My opinion on a comeback of Life (or any matchfixer) as expressed before: It shouldn't be easy to be allowed to play again after such an incident, but having no possible way of redemption for a player that truly regrets and is ready to give very much for this is nothing to be proud of as a community.
Alright, that explains the foundation of this thread in a somewhat different light. There have always been vocal Life supporters though, or perhaps I simply remember them because they stood out from the crowd. Either way...
I don't know if we can conclusively agree on any of the attributions you hung on Life's shoulders.
a) How do we know he "truly regrets?" Logically, everyone regrets being in jail/on probation/whatever, but that does not necessarily mean they regret their actions - they regret getting caught. The fact that he filed an appeal, as others have noted, shows a certain lack of remorse and an attempt to "get away with it."
b) How do we know he is "ready to give very much for this?" A poster earlier said that some other pro said that Life doesn't even play anymore. So what would he be really giving for this? Of course, one person's speculation/word-of-mouth rumor isn't worth much, but you both have the burden of proof. He at least semi-cited a semi-verifiable source.
There has been vocal Life supporters. That's right. But they mostly defended Life as long as nothing was proven. So this was no discussion about "can he come back even if he matchfixed?" but about "can we punish him for something that's not proven yet?".
Of course we don't know if Life "truly regrets" and is "ready to give very much". It's about Life to show that attitude convincingly to the community - if he wants to. But the way the issue is handled right now, there is no way Life could achieve anything, so he won't do anything as long as we don't send at least a small signal of hope for him getting somehow accepted in the scene again. Just to express it figuratively: The way the matchfixers were dismissed in Korean media didn't only shut the door for life and others - it also locked the door, threw the key away and build a wall around the building with barbwire on top.
If you are informed of the consequences and decide to commit the crime anyway, then I believe you fully deserve the punishment.
No matter the punishment? Because that's the interesting part here. I would say that almost nobody believes that Life (or any other player who did the same) doesn't deserve any punishment (even though i read some people say "it's just a videogame" ) But what about the actual punishment he got? This is obviously very subjective but imo also the only real interesting topic of discussion in this instance.
Why was the punishment given for match fixing not an issue for people until Life got punished?
He gave back the money he earned through illegal practices, got probation, and can't play SC2 for money anymore. OH NOOOESSSS HOW CRUEL.
I am not interested in your question because it's basically irrelevant. I am sure there are savior fans who would say he deserves a second chance as well. Ofc the motivation to argue the case is higher if you care about the specific person. I think we still would agree that to whatever conclusion we come (about the punishment) it should be used consistently no matter if the player was savior, life, bbyong, whoever else (in general terms, ofc there is a difference in punishment because there is a difference in crime)
For the "special treatment for life"-argument: many people argued that a lifetime ban was to harsh back when the matchfixing of Yoda and B4 got revealed. The difference is not that Life has more advocates now, a year later, but that he almost had none when his case got revealed - probably because it was a bigger scandal because of his fame. Very few even thought about unbanning Life under the impression of the huge upset that Life's matchfixing was. Now everybody calmed down a bit and we can discuss questions that would've been inappropiate back then. So yes, Life gets special treatment - but not for his good.
My opinion on a comeback of Life (or any matchfixer) as expressed before: It shouldn't be easy to be allowed to play again after such an incident, but having no possible way of redemption for a player that truly regrets and is ready to give very much for this is nothing to be proud of as a community.
Alright, that explains the foundation of this thread in a somewhat different light. There have always been vocal Life supporters though, or perhaps I simply remember them because they stood out from the crowd. Either way...
I don't know if we can conclusively agree on any of the attributions you hung on Life's shoulders.
a) How do we know he "truly regrets?" Logically, everyone regrets being in jail/on probation/whatever, but that does not necessarily mean they regret their actions - they regret getting caught. The fact that he filed an appeal, as others have noted, shows a certain lack of remorse and an attempt to "get away with it."
b) How do we know he is "ready to give very much for this?" A poster earlier said that some other pro said that Life doesn't even play anymore. So what would he be really giving for this? Of course, one person's speculation/word-of-mouth rumor isn't worth much, but you both have the burden of proof. He at least semi-cited a semi-verifiable source.
There has been vocal Life supporters. That's right. But they mostly defended Life as long as nothing was proven. So this was no discussion about "can he come back even if he matchfixed?" but about "can we punish him for something that's not proven yet?".
Of course we don't know if Life "truly regrets" and is "ready to give very much". It's about Life to show that attitude convincingly to the community - if he wants to. But the way the issue is handled right now, there is no way Life could achieve anything, so he won't do anything as long as we don't send at least a small signal of hope for him getting somehow accepted in the scene again. Just to express it figuratively: The way the matchfixers were dismissed in Korean media didn't only shut the door for life and others - it also locked the door, threw the key away and build a wall around the building with barbwire on top.
Good, I say. Look at it this way - it happened years prior with Savior and co. exactly the same way. So he absolutely could not be ignorant of the consequences. If you are informed of the consequences and decide to commit the crime anyway, then I believe you fully deserve the punishment.
Being aware of consequences never stopped people from committing crime and still many of those people are deeply remorseful afterwards. Some immediately, some a few months, some a few years later. Some of them changed drastically because of it. Of course Life (and any other matchfixer) deserves a punishment. But I think, there also should be a "after the punishment" where someone has the chance to prove that he really changed.
And don't take me wrong. I highly doubt that any matchfixer we know will openly speak about his crime and his remorse or even try to help to stop matchfixing any time soon. We didn't even hear an apology. This also would be unlikely if the circumstances wouldn't be as hostile. Why is that so? Because doing that (exhibiting your feelings, publicly admitting your guilt, making yourself a target for anger) is way harder than quietly fading away to something new. That's why I think, we should break a small hole into our wall and add a doorphone to our door.
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