EPTI recalled I read somewhere that herO was approached as well by brokers but he said No. herO is older so maybe he was wiser at the time. But, to me, if you want to be professional gamer, you gotta to think two steps ahead. Quick money now is only for short term which means clearly you don't want to stay in this profession for long term. So, Life did choose what he wanted: Stay in SC2 for short term and now he is out of it. He got what he wished for. My advice? Move on and rebuild your life somewhere else, just not in SC2.
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Vutalisk
United States680 Posts
I recalled I read somewhere that herO was approached as well by brokers but he said No. herO is older so maybe he was wiser at the time. But, to me, if you want to be professional gamer, you gotta to think two steps ahead. Quick money now is only for short term which means clearly you don't want to stay in this profession for long term. So, Life did choose what he wanted: Stay in SC2 for short term and now he is out of it. He got what he wished for. My advice? Move on and rebuild your life somewhere else, just not in SC2. | ||
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outscar
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
I am not saying that Life is not responsible for his actions, but an eternal sentence is always absurd. Also, he never cheated for a victory, he just lost games for money (and even not really important ones afaik). It's maybe open to discussion for how long the match-fixers should be removed from the tournaments, but I'd eventually let them back for sure. (And I stand by the opinion that the whole criminal prosecution was a completely insane thing to do over a game.) | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
Tl;dr: At least in Western culture, everyone should get a second chance. He did a wrong thing as a teenager under unknown circumstances and should be allowed to come out, explain what happened, apologize for it, and be an ambassador against shadiness that will still exist in any sport — as many players, previously banned for much worse things, have done in other sports. Agreed, he should be allowed to explain what happened, apologize for it, and try to fight against similar things happening again. He should not however be allowed to compete. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
I am against the death sentence but am willing to make an exception for cheaters. Anyone that matchfixes or maphacks deserves to be executed. Never forget, never forgive. That is....Draconian....in the original sense of the word, hence the capitalization. Aside from the inhumanity of executing people for cheating in a videogame (!?), you'd have to execute every human alive. Find me a person somewhere on this planet that has never used an unfair advantage, and I will find you some more LSD. | ||
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[Erasmus]
Australia286 Posts
If it is proven that he's autistic and lacks the social skills, or was being threatened by mafia bosses into co-operating with their gambling ring, that is something his defence lawyers should have been bringing up in court. I don't know how much kespa just blanket ban anyone from competing based on this, but you at least are basing your 'let him return' argument on a whole lot of unknowns that tbh, are probably not true. That said, I believe life bans are too harsh for a first offense. Most other sports I'm aware of have had matchfixing scandals where people are only handed 1-2 year bans unless they are more involved than life seemed to be. I fully support throwing life bans at people like Saviour though who were acting as broker/organiser for match fixing though. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On January 30 2017 07:01 fishjie wrote: still dont see the big deal is, who cares if he match fixed? thats not a crime deserving of jail. its just a video game at the end of the day. so his life is ruined because he didnt win some games that he could have, and a bunch of self righteous people in korea think gambling is bad. its not. You literally have a whole page of people telling you what damage he did. | ||
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SamuelGreen
Sweden292 Posts
On January 30 2017 06:53 ZiggyPG wrote: I'd only be willing to revisit the subject in order to ridicule how lenient the sentence is, more time in prison would do him good. I think science says prison time never did anyone any good... | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On January 30 2017 07:33 pvsnp wrote: That is....Draconian....in the original sense of the word, hence the capitalization. Aside from the inhumanity of executing people for cheating in a videogame (!?), you'd have to execute every human alive. Find me a person somewhere on this planet that has never used an unfair advantage, and I will find you some more LSD. I think he/she was joking. On January 30 2017 07:21 CrayonSc2 wrote: In pennsylvania you get a misdemeanor for possession of 1 gram of heroin. The kid played a video game. Is it just playing a video game? People lost money when betting. True, betting is risky, but it's an example of what he's done. He's also upset spectators because they don't know when he loses for real. | ||
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necrosexy
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CrayonSc2
United States267 Posts
On January 30 2017 07:25 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ok while overly harsh judgement mainly based on the own disappointment is bad, your "the kid played a video game" is just as absurd. No playing a videogame wasn't the problem and being 19 years old is hardly "being a kid". Unless you know of any psychological tests they did with him which prove that his mind indeed is on the lvl of a kid. Why is it so hard to have reasonable discussions :/ This is the obvious answer for a person that has been sheltered as a child. This is just one of the laws that is less harsh than what life got. I was just pointing out how hell breaks loose when something happens in a video game but around the cornor someones is selling an ounce of drugs and thats okay with the community mindset. Unless I see you participate in humanitarian projects often I don't think anyone has the right to enforce what the "kid" deserved. Trust me, I seen and done some shit in my days and I got no where as much punishment as this guy. All he did was hit keys on a keyboard and clicked on a mouse. | ||
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saltis
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Fatality1
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
Saying that a 19 year old can always find a proper lawyer.. Dismissing any possibility of social/criminal pressure is .. .. kiddie reasoning. i personally believe that he should be allowed/made to tell his story, that this would serve esports in general and sc2 in particular, i also believe he will never do it on account of what he has to lose if it was indeed pressure that made him do it (because obviously that pressure is still there). If he was just dumb and it was short term profit he is paying for it in spades. | ||
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baiesradu
Romania150 Posts
The hardest thing about being an adult is that you have to take responsibility for the consequences of your actions even if you wanted them to happen or not. Kespa's policy is not vindictive , it's quite smart actually. If they show even the slightest bit of mercy, they condemn the very esport they are trying to protect . If you allow a person known to be involved in match fixing, to play, how will you ever convince an audience that the results of the match was correct? Especially in a game like starcraft . I don't want to talk about someone else but I know I would stop watching matches and look for a sport with more integrity to it. All sport sell views, create a hype about how much each side wants to win the match, how much they trained and prepared for this moment , and then you have someone who doesn't care about that. He is willing to loose to get paid. Who would watch that ? How long ? And in his case just like savior, it's the worst kind of situation. He's a champion.He already makes more money than most professional gamers. I cheered for him when he was in Bucharest on the main stage and I was in the crowd, I'm zerg , I loved him. I have his autograph. The fact that he's at an age where you still learn who you want to be in life is no excuse. No one forced him to be a progamer. He made more money in two years of playing starcraft than I made in 10 years at my job . And I'm an engineer and I climbed the corporate ladder quite fast. It's not that I hate him . He made a mistake I can understand that. If we make one exception we teach the other players that in some cases it's ok to match fix and for me that's a cancer I don't want to deal with . I'm sorry, like I said at the beginning you don't always get a redo in Life ! | ||
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
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Fatality1
3 Posts
On January 30 2017 07:40 SamuelGreen wrote: I think science says prison time never did anyone any good... agreed 100% | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
Anyways, if he wanted and could, there's nothing to come back to. | ||
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