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Soooo I was right that it's actually the opposition who broke the agreement first and removing Yanukovich was a terrible idea? They ignored the deal and Ukrainian law. How are we supposed to trust such people? I think EU should wait with those 11 billions until current government gets replaced.
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On March 07 2014 02:28 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 02:26 zlefin wrote:
Russia sure is asking for it. Sad, truly quite sad, and despicable. The issue is they know that no real consequences will come of it. The US and EU will puff their chests, say some things, make some meaningless sanctions, and in the end they won't make any serious sanctions, they won't risk a real war, and russia will get to keep crimea. It's very sad.
Right now Russia is in such position that they can take whatever they want from Ukraine and no one will do anything. That is because Ukraine is not important for any other "Great power" and for them it's just not worth the trouble. As long as the russians don't invade NATO country, some part of China or South Korea, they are fine.
And to be fair, Russia is taking back what they gave to Ukraine(then part of the USSR) 60 years ago. Crimea was always part of Russia so yeah, there is that.
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On March 07 2014 02:28 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 02:26 zlefin wrote:
Russia sure is asking for it. Sad, truly quite sad, and despicable. The issue is they know that no real consequences will come of it. The US and EU will puff their chests, say some things, make some meaningless sanctions, and in the end they won't make any serious sanctions, they won't risk a real war, and russia will get to keep crimea. It's very sad.
Nobody wants to go to war fast, especially when there's a real danger of nukes starting to fly with Putin in power. Instead Political and trade agreements are cut one by one because Russia and Europe have been developing closer ties for a long time, and when there's nowhere to diplomatically to push Putin war might come in the play as a last resort if we really have a new Hitler dreaming of a glorious world domination still in power. Maybe by then Europe would have built up a proper army because atm Europe can't attack Russia, defend maybe but not attack. Putin is playing highstakes superpower world politics and bluffing like mad.
incoming asset freezes if things follow the route they are on atm:
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/eu-meeting-on-ukraine-david-camerons-speech
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On March 06 2014 20:19 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 20:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 06 2014 19:52 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On March 06 2014 19:49 Ghanburighan wrote:
Judiator, stop spamming the thread with nonsense. Contribute something topical or don't post at all. yea cuz Sub40APM posting like 50 links to random websites with literally no comment of his own on any of it isn't spamming or nonsense at all.  Sub40APM has posted several bits of new and interesting topical news pieces, that's exactly the type of content This thread needs. If I have issues with any of those 50 links being off topic or nonsense, I will say so. As for conspiracy theories, they ought to be ignored or engaged with using actual factual content. Otherwise the thread gets littered with 'I have the biggest e-dick' posts. sub40apms coverage of "news" in this thread is pretty much onesided and more then biased.
Yes, I needed to include more Slobodan Milosevic quotes to justify Russian annexation of a foreign country based on race to give this a more balanced Russian perspective.
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On March 07 2014 02:45 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 20:19 fleeze wrote:On March 06 2014 20:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 06 2014 19:52 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On March 06 2014 19:49 Ghanburighan wrote:
Judiator, stop spamming the thread with nonsense. Contribute something topical or don't post at all. yea cuz Sub40APM posting like 50 links to random websites with literally no comment of his own on any of it isn't spamming or nonsense at all. Sub40APM has posted several bits of new and interesting topical news pieces, that's exactly the type of content This thread needs. If I have issues with any of those 50 links being off topic or nonsense, I will say so. As for conspiracy theories, they ought to be ignored or engaged with using actual factual content. Otherwise the thread gets littered with 'I have the biggest e-dick' posts. sub40apms coverage of "news" in this thread is pretty much onesided and more then biased. Yes, I needed to include more Slobodan Milosevic quotes to justify Russian annexation of a foreign country based on race to give this a more balanced Russian perspective.
I agree, lol. Russia invaded a fucking country. There aren't two sides to the story. Everybody should condemn Russia for what they did. There's simply no reason to start debating the pro's and con's when someone commits an act that violates international law and treaties that are only 20 years old.
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On March 07 2014 02:39 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 02:25 Nyxisto wrote:On March 07 2014 02:22 Zocat wrote:
Ignoring rules & laws, as soon as they're inconvenient is more of a trait I would expect form a dictatorship, not a democracy. Yes but you did notice that is that Yanukovych did behave in the exact same fashion, right? If he'd fulfilled his role as a president then the people should wait to vote him out. But if you stuff the people's money into your own pockets and are as corrupt as it gets, it's only fair that you get treated the same way. If you punch me in the face I'm allowed to defend myself and punch you back, that's all the Ukrainian people did. Vigilante justice is something most countries forbid by law. You're not allowed to take the punishment into your own hands. That said, in case of a crime they could've used article 111 of the constitution to get rid of him. They didn't.
Ideally you are right, but it doesn't work that way in a practical sense when you are talking about a country with huge problems on goverment's corruption.
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On March 07 2014 02:49 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 02:45 Sub40APM wrote:On March 06 2014 20:19 fleeze wrote:On March 06 2014 20:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 06 2014 19:52 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On March 06 2014 19:49 Ghanburighan wrote:
Judiator, stop spamming the thread with nonsense. Contribute something topical or don't post at all. yea cuz Sub40APM posting like 50 links to random websites with literally no comment of his own on any of it isn't spamming or nonsense at all. Sub40APM has posted several bits of new and interesting topical news pieces, that's exactly the type of content This thread needs. If I have issues with any of those 50 links being off topic or nonsense, I will say so. As for conspiracy theories, they ought to be ignored or engaged with using actual factual content. Otherwise the thread gets littered with 'I have the biggest e-dick' posts. sub40apms coverage of "news" in this thread is pretty much onesided and more then biased. Yes, I needed to include more Slobodan Milosevic quotes to justify Russian annexation of a foreign country based on race to give this a more balanced Russian perspective. I agree, lol. Russia invaded a fucking country. There aren't two sides to the story. Everybody should condemn Russia for what they did. There's simply no reason to start debating the pro's and con's when someone commits an act that violates international law and treaties that are only 20 years old.
I don't understand why Russians are so deluded on this point. It's not even debatable. Yeah, there are obviously very important national security reasons for invading the Crimea and annexing it, but it doesn't change the fact that that is precisely what Russia is doing.
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On March 07 2014 00:42 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Can someone at least tell me, why do almost everyone blame Russia because Crimea wants to be part of Russia so hard that they did even move referendum on same date as 30stm will give concert in Moscow?
Because the referendum went from May 25 when all Ukrainian elections are being held to March 30 to March 16. Because of 'fascists' while President Putin announces that Russian Federation reserves the right to invade any country where Russian ethnic group is threatened.
It's just sad to see because it seems like 95% of TL think that a) Russia have totalitarism, dictator and other stuff;
You have a cult of personality and a king that hasnt moved from power in 14 years and wont from power for another 6. But its okay because its 'legal'
b) Russia is fucking agressor, when we hadn't declared a war for ages and throughout history we were almost everytime defending instead of offending anyone;
You are the aggressor because your troops are invading Ukrainian bases, the only reason this isnt a war is because Ukrainian troops arent defending themselves as they legally have the right.
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On March 07 2014 01:35 radiatoren wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 01:23 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Principles do not triumph or fail in a vacuum. As Proudhon wrote, "people react less to ideas and social constructs than to realities of power." The necessity of legitimacy exists, and we should move to support its fragility wherever we can, but in frank conversation, we must confess that legitimacy is ever the servant of authority, and not its master.
Yanukovych was not moved to restore the 2004 constitution because he was convinced of its superior political merits, but because of the contingencies of the moment.
In the same vein, had the Crimeans remained demure and recognised the new authority in Kiev, they would have never been granted the right to a referendum when the dust was settled, on the pretext that such a referendum would be unconstitutional. That argument would have in turn have been backed by all the material and moral forces of Western states and media. By seizing power prior to affirming legitimacy, the goalposts are automatically shifted in their favour, and the moment is exploited because the crisis has opened a chasm of chaos where creative legal reasoning can seize the day and triumph, if exerted with sufficient support and vigour.
If you want to go the Neville Chamberlain route of "all changes are possible as long as they are implemented without force", then you hammer out an agreement guaranteed by all parties. This has not been undertaken because a referendum of full self-determination has never been the position of any of the interested parties; neither of the provisional government, nor of the Western Powers, nor, as of yet, the Russian government. The only people who have been involved in pushing it through are the Crimeans. Not only that. The crimean representatives were elected in a completely different socio-political climate and the legitimacy as a representative body for the people of Crimea therefore has to be questioned to begin with, when they are making as drastic decissions as they do.
Quite ironic. ^___^
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On March 07 2014 02:49 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 02:45 Sub40APM wrote:On March 06 2014 20:19 fleeze wrote:On March 06 2014 20:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 06 2014 19:52 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On March 06 2014 19:49 Ghanburighan wrote:
Judiator, stop spamming the thread with nonsense. Contribute something topical or don't post at all. yea cuz Sub40APM posting like 50 links to random websites with literally no comment of his own on any of it isn't spamming or nonsense at all. Sub40APM has posted several bits of new and interesting topical news pieces, that's exactly the type of content This thread needs. If I have issues with any of those 50 links being off topic or nonsense, I will say so. As for conspiracy theories, they ought to be ignored or engaged with using actual factual content. Otherwise the thread gets littered with 'I have the biggest e-dick' posts. sub40apms coverage of "news" in this thread is pretty much onesided and more then biased. Yes, I needed to include more Slobodan Milosevic quotes to justify Russian annexation of a foreign country based on race to give this a more balanced Russian perspective. I agree, lol. Russia invaded a fucking country. There aren't two sides to the story. Everybody should condemn Russia for what they did. There's simply no reason to start debating the pro's and con's when someone commits an act that violates international law and treaties that are only 20 years old.
But America did it too! So obviously every side has 2 stories.
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On March 07 2014 02:51 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 02:49 Nyxisto wrote:On March 07 2014 02:45 Sub40APM wrote:On March 06 2014 20:19 fleeze wrote:On March 06 2014 20:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 06 2014 19:52 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On March 06 2014 19:49 Ghanburighan wrote:
Judiator, stop spamming the thread with nonsense. Contribute something topical or don't post at all. yea cuz Sub40APM posting like 50 links to random websites with literally no comment of his own on any of it isn't spamming or nonsense at all. Sub40APM has posted several bits of new and interesting topical news pieces, that's exactly the type of content This thread needs. If I have issues with any of those 50 links being off topic or nonsense, I will say so. As for conspiracy theories, they ought to be ignored or engaged with using actual factual content. Otherwise the thread gets littered with 'I have the biggest e-dick' posts. sub40apms coverage of "news" in this thread is pretty much onesided and more then biased. Yes, I needed to include more Slobodan Milosevic quotes to justify Russian annexation of a foreign country based on race to give this a more balanced Russian perspective. I agree, lol. Russia invaded a fucking country. There aren't two sides to the story. Everybody should condemn Russia for what they did. There's simply no reason to start debating the pro's and con's when someone commits an act that violates international law and treaties that are only 20 years old. I don't understand why Russians are so deluded on this point. It's not even debatable. Yeah, there are obviously very important national security reasons for invading the Crimea and annexing it, but it doesn't change the fact that that is precisely what Russia is doing.
They're not deluded, they know exactly what they're doing just like the US know what they're doing when they invaded countries without the UN's 'permission' and when NATO barges in countries by unilateral decision. They're counting on it paying off because fuck the police. That's the logic anyway.
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On March 07 2014 02:56 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 02:51 xDaunt wrote:On March 07 2014 02:49 Nyxisto wrote:On March 07 2014 02:45 Sub40APM wrote:On March 06 2014 20:19 fleeze wrote:On March 06 2014 20:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 06 2014 19:52 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On March 06 2014 19:49 Ghanburighan wrote:
Judiator, stop spamming the thread with nonsense. Contribute something topical or don't post at all. yea cuz Sub40APM posting like 50 links to random websites with literally no comment of his own on any of it isn't spamming or nonsense at all. Sub40APM has posted several bits of new and interesting topical news pieces, that's exactly the type of content This thread needs. If I have issues with any of those 50 links being off topic or nonsense, I will say so. As for conspiracy theories, they ought to be ignored or engaged with using actual factual content. Otherwise the thread gets littered with 'I have the biggest e-dick' posts. sub40apms coverage of "news" in this thread is pretty much onesided and more then biased. Yes, I needed to include more Slobodan Milosevic quotes to justify Russian annexation of a foreign country based on race to give this a more balanced Russian perspective. I agree, lol. Russia invaded a fucking country. There aren't two sides to the story. Everybody should condemn Russia for what they did. There's simply no reason to start debating the pro's and con's when someone commits an act that violates international law and treaties that are only 20 years old. I don't understand why Russians are so deluded on this point. It's not even debatable. Yeah, there are obviously very important national security reasons for invading the Crimea and annexing it, but it doesn't change the fact that that is precisely what Russia is doing. They're not deluded, they know exactly what they're doing just like the US know what they're doing when they invade countries without the UN's 'permission' and when NATO barges in countries unilaterally. They're counting on it paying off because fuck the police. That's the logic anyway.
Of course the Russian government knows what they're doing. I'm referring to all of the Russian posters around here.
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On March 07 2014 02:57 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 02:56 Djzapz wrote:On March 07 2014 02:51 xDaunt wrote:On March 07 2014 02:49 Nyxisto wrote:On March 07 2014 02:45 Sub40APM wrote:On March 06 2014 20:19 fleeze wrote:On March 06 2014 20:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 06 2014 19:52 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On March 06 2014 19:49 Ghanburighan wrote:
Judiator, stop spamming the thread with nonsense. Contribute something topical or don't post at all. yea cuz Sub40APM posting like 50 links to random websites with literally no comment of his own on any of it isn't spamming or nonsense at all. Sub40APM has posted several bits of new and interesting topical news pieces, that's exactly the type of content This thread needs. If I have issues with any of those 50 links being off topic or nonsense, I will say so. As for conspiracy theories, they ought to be ignored or engaged with using actual factual content. Otherwise the thread gets littered with 'I have the biggest e-dick' posts. sub40apms coverage of "news" in this thread is pretty much onesided and more then biased. Yes, I needed to include more Slobodan Milosevic quotes to justify Russian annexation of a foreign country based on race to give this a more balanced Russian perspective. I agree, lol. Russia invaded a fucking country. There aren't two sides to the story. Everybody should condemn Russia for what they did. There's simply no reason to start debating the pro's and con's when someone commits an act that violates international law and treaties that are only 20 years old. I don't understand why Russians are so deluded on this point. It's not even debatable. Yeah, there are obviously very important national security reasons for invading the Crimea and annexing it, but it doesn't change the fact that that is precisely what Russia is doing. They're not deluded, they know exactly what they're doing just like the US know what they're doing when they invade countries without the UN's 'permission' and when NATO barges in countries unilaterally. They're counting on it paying off because fuck the police. That's the logic anyway. Of course the Russian government knows what they're doing. I'm referring to all of the Russian posters around here.
Oh. Yeah. The propaganda has taken its toll.
Forgive me for misunderstanding, I've been debating this on a forum where people don't know anything and they still have strong, dumb unreasonable opinions. Most notably, this one guy insisted that Russia could conquer the entirety of Ukraine in a few days, and that's how he argues that Putin is actually benevolent and reasonable. Tanks aren't shelling Kiev and therefore Russia is perfectly reasonable and justified in invading another sovereign entity! Yeah totally...
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On March 07 2014 02:39 Pr0wler wrote:
And to be fair, Russia is taking back what they gave to Ukraine(then part of the USSR) 60 years ago. Crimea was always part of Russia so yeah, there is that.
This is not a logical justification. Ukraine was part of Russian Empire for hundreds of years, Bulgaria was part of Turkish Empire for hundreds of years. So what?
The current government in Crimea is being led by a guy who was unheard of in Crimean politics up until the Russian invasion. And this is a region where out of 100 seats, 80 belonged to the party of Eastern Ukrainians and they couldnt find anyone from that group to be the leader of 'independent Crimea', they had go down the list to the leader of the party with staggering 4% of the vote to get someone to sign on board. And we have posters here defending 'constitutional order' of Ukraine -- okay fine, (A)Under Ukrainian Constitution the President -- your Yanukovich -- does not have the legal right to invite foreign troops on Ukrainian soil (B) Under Ukrainian Constitution referendums on 'independence' or transfer of territory are illegal without consent of central government.
So lets have Yanukovich come back -- he can even be guarded by glorious Russian troops of freedom -- and have the EU and OECD and Serbs be elections monitor but have early elections in mid-Summer for both parliament and Presidency.
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On March 07 2014 02:52 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 01:35 radiatoren wrote:On March 07 2014 01:23 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Principles do not triumph or fail in a vacuum. As Proudhon wrote, "people react less to ideas and social constructs than to realities of power." The necessity of legitimacy exists, and we should move to support its fragility wherever we can, but in frank conversation, we must confess that legitimacy is ever the servant of authority, and not its master.
Yanukovych was not moved to restore the 2004 constitution because he was convinced of its superior political merits, but because of the contingencies of the moment.
In the same vein, had the Crimeans remained demure and recognised the new authority in Kiev, they would have never been granted the right to a referendum when the dust was settled, on the pretext that such a referendum would be unconstitutional. That argument would have in turn have been backed by all the material and moral forces of Western states and media. By seizing power prior to affirming legitimacy, the goalposts are automatically shifted in their favour, and the moment is exploited because the crisis has opened a chasm of chaos where creative legal reasoning can seize the day and triumph, if exerted with sufficient support and vigour.
If you want to go the Neville Chamberlain route of "all changes are possible as long as they are implemented without force", then you hammer out an agreement guaranteed by all parties. This has not been undertaken because a referendum of full self-determination has never been the position of any of the interested parties; neither of the provisional government, nor of the Western Powers, nor, as of yet, the Russian government. The only people who have been involved in pushing it through are the Crimeans. Not only that. The crimean representatives were elected in a completely different socio-political climate and the legitimacy as a representative body for the people of Crimea therefore has to be questioned to begin with, when they are making as drastic decissions as they do. Quite ironic. ^___^
Mhm, yeah the people in Crimea also rebelled against the crooked president. Soooo ironic. Oh wait...
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On March 07 2014 02:03 mcc wrote:
To add Crimea was promised in the early nineties that "soon" all regions that want to will be able to have referendum on independence or at least on returning to the old constitution. Of course once situation stabilized that promise was reneged upon, and Ukraine will never allow them to leave peacefully.
Huh? In 93 Crimea was granted extensive autonomy and withdrew its bid for a referendum after negotiations. The Ukrainian state wouldnt be stabilized for another 5 years, with the economy continuing to collapse/hyper inflation. It then was fine for another 20 years -- whether under the government of Kuchma, Yushenko or Yanokvich, including violent protests in Kiev in 2004 which clearly prove that fascism in the march -- but in 2014 with 'local self defense troops to protect against fascism' suddenly all over the area a guy whose party at the last elections 4% of the vote decided 'this is the time!'
Especially now -- not in May the way he originally announced, and not in March 30th when he changed the date but now March 16.
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On March 07 2014 03:00 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 02:52 maybenexttime wrote:On March 07 2014 01:35 radiatoren wrote:On March 07 2014 01:23 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Principles do not triumph or fail in a vacuum. As Proudhon wrote, "people react less to ideas and social constructs than to realities of power." The necessity of legitimacy exists, and we should move to support its fragility wherever we can, but in frank conversation, we must confess that legitimacy is ever the servant of authority, and not its master.
Yanukovych was not moved to restore the 2004 constitution because he was convinced of its superior political merits, but because of the contingencies of the moment.
In the same vein, had the Crimeans remained demure and recognised the new authority in Kiev, they would have never been granted the right to a referendum when the dust was settled, on the pretext that such a referendum would be unconstitutional. That argument would have in turn have been backed by all the material and moral forces of Western states and media. By seizing power prior to affirming legitimacy, the goalposts are automatically shifted in their favour, and the moment is exploited because the crisis has opened a chasm of chaos where creative legal reasoning can seize the day and triumph, if exerted with sufficient support and vigour.
If you want to go the Neville Chamberlain route of "all changes are possible as long as they are implemented without force", then you hammer out an agreement guaranteed by all parties. This has not been undertaken because a referendum of full self-determination has never been the position of any of the interested parties; neither of the provisional government, nor of the Western Powers, nor, as of yet, the Russian government. The only people who have been involved in pushing it through are the Crimeans. Not only that. The crimean representatives were elected in a completely different socio-political climate and the legitimacy as a representative body for the people of Crimea therefore has to be questioned to begin with, when they are making as drastic decissions as they do. Quite ironic. ^___^ Mhm, yeah the people in Crimea also rebelled against the crooked president. Soooo ironic. Oh wait...
As a matter of fact, Batkivshchina is no less crooked than Party of Regions. And don't even get me started on Svoboda...
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On March 06 2014 21:20 Dlash23 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 21:13 Godwrath wrote:On March 06 2014 20:41 Dlash23 wrote:On March 06 2014 20:28 -Archangel- wrote:
Even if Russians are 58% (and those people don't just consider themselves Russian speaking Ukranians) it gives no rights for Russian military to invade.
And since when is every nationalist Nazi? By same logic both Russia and half of USA are Nazi. Did you read the history of Crimea? it was Russian region until 1954 year, when it was presented to Ukrain And 58% of population are exactly Russians, not Russian speaking Ukranians. And what kind of point is that one ? It is pretty simple: - Is Crimea Ukranian territory? Yes. - Is Ukrania a sovereign country? Yes. - Was there any danger for russians on Crimea? Nope. The excuses for occupation are laughable at best. Also, stop with the "but... but... the USA does this aswell!", because most posters in here call out when the USA does the same. It's kindergarden's logic, "i punched him because that other kid also punches other people!". of course you have all information, and know about how crimean tatars are ready at any time to cut all Russians in that region... would be a bloodbath if there no Russian army there at all.
What, I thought it was Benderovitc fascists from the West that will have their 'finger on the button' that must be stopped? Now its crimean tatars? Why, because they are Muslims?
Maybe Turkey is worried that their compatriots will be treated the way Muslim-Bosnians were treated in a certain country, should Turkey also invade Crimea to 'prevent bloodshed'?
On March 06 2014 21:35 Dlash23 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 21:32 mahrgell wrote:On March 06 2014 21:20 Dlash23 wrote:On March 06 2014 21:13 Godwrath wrote:On March 06 2014 20:41 Dlash23 wrote:On March 06 2014 20:28 -Archangel- wrote:
Even if Russians are 58% (and those people don't just consider themselves Russian speaking Ukranians) it gives no rights for Russian military to invade.
And since when is every nationalist Nazi? By same logic both Russia and half of USA are Nazi. Did you read the history of Crimea? it was Russian region until 1954 year, when it was presented to Ukrain And 58% of population are exactly Russians, not Russian speaking Ukranians. And what kind of point is that one ? It is pretty simple: - Is Crimea Ukranian territory? Yes. - Is Ukrania a sovereign country? Yes. - Was there any danger for russians on Crimea? Nope. The excuses for occupation are laughable at best. Also, stop with the "but... but... the USA does this aswell!", because most posters in here call out when the USA does the same. It's kindergarden's logic, "i punched him because that other kid also punches other people!". of course you have all information, and know about how crimean tatars are ready at any time to cut all Russians in that region... would be a bloodbath if there no Russian army there at all. The tatars are the evil guys now? INVADE TURKEY!!!! erm... i meant ' protect turkey from it's own people' They are not civilized Europeans, and really they are very specific Muslim Nation. If you have no information about this how can you all judge this situation at all? wow. and ukrainians are the fascists.
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17:43: More on the US decision to send 12 F-16 jets to Poland (see 17:03) - the US ambassador to Poland, Stephen Mull, says the scale of the training drill is designed to reassure US allies in the light of the Ukraine crisis.
17:22: On the threat of sanctions against Russia, German chancellor Angela Merkel says: "I hope it won't come to that but we made it very clear here today that we are ready to go ahead with this if it became necessary."
On Wednesday the Pentagon announced it would more than double its commitment of aircraft to joint NATO-policing missions in the Baltics, moving six additional F-15s and one KC-135 aircraft from the UK to Siauliai Air Base in Lithuania. The Pentagon also announced Wednesday that it was increasing its commitment to joint airforce-training exercises in Poland.
Now we have the details of that move, via Reuters, picking up on Polish media reports Thursday.
The US defense department will also send 12 F-16 fighter jets to Poland for a training exercise, Reuters reports:
The jets will arrive at the Lask base, in central Poland, on Monday, the online versions of the Gazeta Wyborcza and Rzeczpospolita newspapers reported. A Polish defence ministry spokesman said he could not confirm the reports.
Update: The Polish defense ministry confirms and says 300 US military personnel are coming as well, Reuters reports.
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