EPTThe 2014 NHL Season - Two Accounts, No Cups - Page 152
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On April 10 2014 15:18 Slaughter wrote: Wings in a down years still make the playoffs. I kinda like it, but then again it makes rebuilding harder because we don't get the free top 10 picks like Pitt or Chi got to make them good again. I somewhat have the feeling that being consistently in that low seed playoff or just out of the playoff spots are some of the harder to build on because you don't suck enough to get the better draft positions and sometimes you have a harder time convincing a lot of FA to come (or even retaining your better players). Not that Detroit has had a lot of trouble with FA but with the smaller markets it can be a problem unless they grossly overpay people (and that can fuck your team up a lot as well). 1. Ken Holland would trade those picks anyway, probably not to get some kind of team defining player the team is in dire need of -like bouwmeester -- but instead to sign someone like Kyle Quincey, another 'project' for the Red Wings. 2. Its unclear whether being mediocre -- lets call it the Calgary Flames when they would make the playoffs to get swept -- is worse than being awful -- Oilers/TrashJets/Toronto. This has a nice balanced perspective, its really up to luck and a good GM. http://www.sbnation.com/2014/1/13/5294794/nba-tanking-luck-skill-hook I personally think that Holland is better than an average GM but worse than what his fans think he is. He continues to vacillate on the massive massive glaring flaws with the Red Wings defense -- that he knew would emerge when he lost his best 3 defenders in a succession -- and then his reluctance to seriously address the issue -- Bouwmeester could have been had for what they paid for Legnwad (who is a 4th liner in Babcock's scheme now) and Quincey. And Bouwmeester would have instantly addressed the issue of Kyle Quincey being on the ice, provided the Wings with another good skating defender with experience and releaved the pressure of Kronwall to do too much. So their mediocrity right now is partially self imposed -- addiction to playing Cleary/Bertuzi/Weiss type of players and fear/reluctance of playing Tatar/Jurco/Nyquist until injuries literally forced the teams hand. But then again in this league the only teams that seem to have dynasty like longevity are the Bruins and the Hawks. And then to a lesser extent the Pens and the Sharks. And if we are talking about luck, the Bruins have been incredibly lucky in almost all of their trades with Toronto and finding Thomas too. Hawks were 'lucky' in the sense that they had a lot of good picks, and even when they screwed up their cap management and had to get rid a lot of their supporting cast they almost instantly reloaded. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On April 10 2014 13:59 Sub40APM wrote: xDaunt I think you need to prepare for a first round exit here, hard to see how Sharks get last LA with the kind of goal tending you have. Yeah, I'm prepared. Sharks fans are used to bad endings. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17692 Posts
On April 10 2014 15:56 Sub40APM wrote: I personally think that Holland is better than an average GM but worse than what his fans think he is. according to your own comments Holland is #3 in playoffs wins since the Cap was invoked and the most successful GM in the NHL since 1997. #3 out of 30 is better than above average... unless you really want to start stretching the meaning of above average. #1 over 18 years is better than above average... hell remaining employed for 18 straight years is better than above average. people on RTS-genre forums love calling every one dumb... like they have all the answers. so go ahead... call Holland an idiot if it makes you feel better. In 1997, Bowman could've hired any one on planet earth to succeed him as GM. The Red Wings were and still are a model organization that any hockey exec would beg to work for. Back in '97 Bowman had so much pull with the NHL he could've plucked any exec from any NHL team and the league would've granted it. Within that context Bowman would not select someone who is merely above average. Welp, this is what happens when you lose the right to "Hockey Night In Canada" http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2014/04/10/cbc_employees_brace_for_layoffs.html OUCH. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On April 10 2014 23:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote: according to your own comments Holland is #3 in playoffs wins since the Cap was invoked and the most successful GM in the NHL since 1997. #3 out of 30 is better than above average... unless you really want to start stretching the meaning of above average. #1 over 18 years is better than above average... hell remaining employed for 18 straight years is better than above average. people on RTS-genre forums love calling every one dumb... like they have all the answers. so go ahead... call Holland an idiot if it makes you feel better. In 1997, Bowman could've hired any one on planet earth to succeed him as GM. The Red Wings were and still are a model organization that any hockey exec would beg to work for. Back in '97 Bowman had so much pull with the NHL he could've plucked any exec from any NHL team and the league would've granted it. Within that context Bowman would not select someone who is merely above average. Welp, this is what happens when you lose the right to "Hockey Night In Canada" http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2014/04/10/cbc_employees_brace_for_layoffs.html OUCH. Why do you keep re posting the same post with 3 different accounts? Its quite possible that as Holland aged he became worse, previous success with elderly reclamation projects ingrained in him a certain attitude towards paying for older players that doesnt work anymore, and there is no logical explanation for why their defense the way it is because there isnt a Nyquist/Tatar type player in the AHL who could step up and fill top 4 minutes. The fact that missing Erickson -- a perennial 3rd pairing guy on a good playoff team -- is hurting the Wings is all the condemnation you need of his building up of the defense. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17692 Posts
On April 11 2014 03:03 Sub40APM wrote: Why do you keep re posting the same post with 3 different accounts? really ? 3 accounts name them? i'm using the ur own info... Holland taking over for Bowman in 1997 is public knowledge. On April 11 2014 03:03 Sub40APM wrote: Its quite possible that as Holland aged he became worse, this age thing? man u r really grasping at straws. Holland is 58 which is prime time for any manager. source: Peter Drucker. if he has a known medical condition then his intellectual powers may be deteriorating. he does not. any people manager gets better as they get older because they have more life experience to draw upon. you want me to start rhyming off the best managers in every industry who are 55-60. i'd rather not... i'm too lazy. so i'll list one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Drucker | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On April 11 2014 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote: really ? 3 accounts name them? i'm using the ur own info... Holland taking over for Bowman in 1997 is public knowledge. this age thing? man u r really grasping at straws. Holland is 58 which is prime time for any manager. source: Peter Drucker. if he has a known medical condition then his intellectual powers may be deteriorating. he does not. any people manager gets better as they get older because they have more life experience to draw upon. you want me to start rhyming off the best managers in every industry who are 55-60. i'd rather not... i'm too lazy. so i'll list one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Drucker the other 2 accounts that keep repeating Bowman is god, therefore Holland is a genius. Its clear that after 09 Holland has continued to ignore his defensive situation as it deterioriated year after year. They went from being a top if not Stanley cup competing team to struggling to make it to the playoffs and the breakdowns arent because of the forwards -- and they have plenty of youth to address that -- but because every year their D has gotten worse. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17692 Posts
Holland is better than "above average". and by your own info #3 in playoff wins since the cap. thanks for the laugh. i found another laughable development in the NHL http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nhl-faces-second-concussion-lawsuit--brother-of-hanson-bros--one-of-plantiffs-184045365.html Gordie Howe is dead. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
PHO vs NAS is the only non-locked team playing tonight. Everyone else has battles for seeding. DAL and PHO actually play their last game of the season against each other. Dallas is up by 2 with a game in hand. Phoneix has to beat them in points since Dallas has the ROW advantage. ![[image loading]](http://i.minus.com/i65biyBzPlxn8.gif) lol | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17692 Posts
boy, they really should've used Miller in the Olympics eh? all Roy had was longevity and Cups, nevermind that the 86 and 93 Canadiens had no biz winning and Roy won the Conn Smythe. onto the news of the day, The Leafs are about to name Shanny as Prez of the Maple Leafs NOT hockey operations. Faustina Forever. i think this is an indictment of Nonis going right up against the cap from the start of the year and robbing the team of any kind of flexibility. hell they just had to send back a Marlie they called up hours ago because it put them over the cap | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On April 11 2014 07:32 QuanticHawk wrote: sub40 and others, if you ignore the idiot in the room, he has no one to talk to PHO vs NAS is the only non-locked team playing tonight. Everyone else has battles for seeding. DAL and PHO actually play their last game of the season against each other. Dallas is up by 2 with a game in hand. Phoneix has to beat them in points since Dallas has the ROW advantage. Dallas doesnt have a game in hand, they lost yesterday. So now Phoenix is down by 2 but with a game in hand. Should be interesting. 2 weeks ago I would have just said that they are breaking their backs for the chance to get swept by the Blues but with the way the Blues are playing now, its harder to predict for sure. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17692 Posts
now we've got the Mimico - 3. the only question that remains is.... who is Curly.. which one is Larry and who is Moe. | ||
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Thallis
United States314 Posts
Doug Armstrong should be fired for his moves this year. Perron, Roy, Miller. Awful year transactions wise. | ||
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Sub40APM
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Sub40APM
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
Oh, and finally, since I have nowhere else to put this. YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SUCK IT NORTH DAKOTA WE'RE GOIN TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME! | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
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Flaccid
8917 Posts
On April 11 2014 12:01 Sub40APM wrote: rofl miller. GG fantasy year and Blues playoffs. I, for one, did not expect his save% to fall off a cliff the way it has. Ouch. Goalies are fuckin' weird, man. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
On April 11 2014 14:34 Orcasgt24 wrote: The NCAA Ice Hockey tourney is an under covered event. Some great hockey is played there yes 100% at least nbcs has been showing college hockey more regularly. i didnt realize it was the frozen four already though. booo. | ||
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