Holocaust worse than previously thought - Page 4

On March 03 2013 20:49 sushiman wrote:
It's horrible for sure, but it's strange how they relate it to the holocaust - the majority of those new camps found are slave labor or POW-camps, which has little to do with the death camps where the systematic murdering of people was happening. It provides some further insight in how the nazis kept their war machine going, but doesn't really change the death toll.

On March 03 2013 20:55 ppshchik wrote:


Holocaust nowadays is all about interests and money. Israel in the past used to not recognize the Armenian genocide in order to maintain good relations with Turkey. However once Israel's relations with Turkey soured after the Flotilla Incident, Israel immediately recognized the Armenian Genocide.

Germany is still paying reparations to its European neighbors and Israel. We (or the UN) ousted the Palestinians from their homeland in order for the Jews to have their own country. It's time for us to move on and stop reminiscing the past.

On March 03 2013 20:27 fartosis77 wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong but the people that deny the holocaust are the neonazis? Shouldn't neonazis be proud of their fuhrer and all that and praise him for his 'achievements'? I'd say the ones that deny are something else than a neonazi. More like a neoretard or something.. ;o

On March 03 2013 21:02 NicolBolas wrote:


They believe in "facts" of Holocaust denial because those "facts" play into their preconceived notions about Jews. Namely, that the Holocaust is the product of the Jewish run media elites and so forth. It's not that they don't on some level want it to have happened.

It's that, this way, they get to feel like they've learned some special "truth" that those dirty Jews don't want revealed. It makes them feel better about themselves than believing that millions of Jews were brutally murdered.

On March 03 2013 21:05 Iplaythings wrote:
First thought: God thats fucked up that it's even possible to be worse than previously thought?
It was but second thought tells me something else, why do we need to know this?
To shame germans?
To show sympathy for those in the camps, where few of them are still alive?
Learn from mistakes?
Neither of those really make sense for me so all it did was giving me a bad taste in the mouth

On March 03 2013 20:24 Kinon wrote:


No, it's just something to keep in mind. If germany had managed to win the war, we wouldn't have known about their war crimes. The sad thing is that, with all the potential for media manipulation, a new Holocaust could still happen and we wouldn't know/forced to believe it was right (just look at the muslin hatred in the US).

On March 03 2013 21:07 bo1b wrote:

The third question would be why did this only get revealed almost 70 years after the fact. Something just seems off with how large those numbers are to me. 3000 camps in Berlin?

On March 03 2013 21:09 Yurie wrote:


I think it is because you are thinking of a different thing than the researchers are when you both use the same word. You think of a camp as something large with a lot of people. While if I understand it correctly they think of things with 20 people as well.

On March 03 2013 21:00 iMAniaC wrote:


It often ties into disputes in the Middle East. If the holocaust never happened, then the Jews' claim to Israel is not as strong and the dynamics of the negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians might change in favour of the Palestinians. Ahmedinejad of Iran might be one of the most famous holocaust deniers with (I guess) this motive.

Then there are those who claim the Jews secretly rule the world and fabricated the holocaust for infinite goodwill and/or the establishment of Israel. Sometimes they don't have any other specific agenda than to "expose the conspiracy" or whatever, although it's very often tied to (or sparked by) a general discontent with Israel and/or Jews. British author David Irving may be one of the most famous ones with this motive.

Holocaust deniers often want to have some official investigation by historical facts, sometimes even without the explicit intention of disproving the holocaust. The line of reasoning is that there is no reason to investigate absolute truths (like no one would spend money to investigate whether, say, Australia exists or if it's just a fairy tale), and if there's an investigation, it means that it's no longer an absolute truth. (This is also the reason that China wants, and Japan does not want, an investigation about Senkaku/Diaoyu and vice versa with Japan/South Korea and Dokdo/Takeshima). In essence, one first wants there to be doubt about the facts.

Of course, if the investigation shows that the holocaust did indeed happen, then those results can be disputed and one can look for errors or mistakes made by the investigators. This might prompt more investigations and more errors and mistakes, and in the end, one can make the (feeble) argument that so many mistakes have (possibly intentionally) been made in regards to holocaust research that they simply have to be covering something up. So in lack of arguments, one prompts the other party to make mistakes which can later be made into arguments.

Note that holocause denial is illegal in several countries, including Germany.

On March 03 2013 20:04 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
What a silly title. How can it be worse than previously thought? Anyone know changed his mind about the holocaust, only because some numbers are higher?

On March 03 2013 21:16 Cubu wrote:

uh yeah, of course. Those 'some numbers' are numbers of death. The higher the casualty, the more worse it is.

On March 03 2013 21:15 fartosis77 wrote:
We're dressing up as Indians nowadays during carnaval, so give it time and we'll be able to walk around in a gestapo uniform wearing a swastika on our upper arms while drinking beer till we drop~ ;; ~

On March 03 2013 21:12 Sjokola wrote:
It also is in the Netherlands. Which I find weird. Freedom of speech except when it comes to the holocaust. I'm not anti-Semitic or think the holocaust didn't happen. Absolutely not! But it's just weird. Like Mein Kampf being the only banned book in the Netherlands.

A lot of holocaust denial also just claims it wasn't that big of a scale. That only some thousands of Jews (gays, blacks and mentally handicapped) were murdered in WW2.

“You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps,” he said. “They were everywhere.”