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On March 03 2013 21:02 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 20:55 ppshchik wrote:On March 03 2013 20:32 Zaphid wrote:On March 03 2013 20:08 Recognizable wrote:On March 03 2013 20:03 Cynry wrote:still interesting in an age where holocaust denial is on the rise ;( I don't understand that. Holocaust denial ? People consciously argue that this never happened ? And more and more of them ? I don't even see a point in that, are they defending the nazis or something ? What would they gain if (science fiction here) the holocaust would be recognized as a lie ? There are a lot of idiots in this world. As much as I think holocaust denialists (?) are bunch of idiots, we live in day and age where you should question everything you are told and giving any information free pass is dangerous. However the devil is usually in the details, don't question it happened, question how did they arrive at their conclusions and what were the sources. Saying holocaust never happened is like saying the earth is flat. Holocaust nowadays is all about interests and money. Israel in the past used to not recognize the Armenian genocide in order to maintain good relations with Turkey. However once Israel's relations with Turkey soured after the Flotilla Incident, Israel immediately recognized the Armenian Genocide. Germany is still paying reparations to its European neighbors and Israel. We (or the UN) ousted the Palestinians from their homeland in order for the Jews to have their own country. It's time for us to move on and stop reminiscing the past. I am pretty sure that Germany is not still paying reparations for WW2. Can you come up with any source for that? Because the only things i can find is stuff that says that West Germany paid reparations until 1949, and the east paid to the sowjets for a longer period of time.
delivering submarines for free/heavy discount to isreal could be counted as reparation.
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On March 04 2013 01:29 quaZa wrote:
Are we going again on the "Holocaust was so bad" bangwagoon? 80 years passed....And u guys still picking on my country im sick and tired of it to ask for Permission to show patriotism just because something happend 80 years ago that I my Parents and even my Grandparents couldnt change. What about the killing of native Americans by White ppl? or the slavery of the Black ppl and discrimination of thoose? What about stalin killing MILLIONS of his own ppl? what about the Rape of German Woman/childs from Sowjet Soldiers in the East territorys in 45? NO one talks about this...its always Germany Holocaust Hitler...Its sickening me. idc if i get a ban warning or whatever for that thats my honest opinion. every country has his own dirty history.
I don't think you were going to get banned until you mentioned getting banned!
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On March 04 2013 01:32 Gaga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 21:02 Simberto wrote:On March 03 2013 20:55 ppshchik wrote:On March 03 2013 20:32 Zaphid wrote:On March 03 2013 20:08 Recognizable wrote:On March 03 2013 20:03 Cynry wrote:still interesting in an age where holocaust denial is on the rise ;( I don't understand that. Holocaust denial ? People consciously argue that this never happened ? And more and more of them ? I don't even see a point in that, are they defending the nazis or something ? What would they gain if (science fiction here) the holocaust would be recognized as a lie ? There are a lot of idiots in this world. As much as I think holocaust denialists (?) are bunch of idiots, we live in day and age where you should question everything you are told and giving any information free pass is dangerous. However the devil is usually in the details, don't question it happened, question how did they arrive at their conclusions and what were the sources. Saying holocaust never happened is like saying the earth is flat. Holocaust nowadays is all about interests and money. Israel in the past used to not recognize the Armenian genocide in order to maintain good relations with Turkey. However once Israel's relations with Turkey soured after the Flotilla Incident, Israel immediately recognized the Armenian Genocide. Germany is still paying reparations to its European neighbors and Israel. We (or the UN) ousted the Palestinians from their homeland in order for the Jews to have their own country. It's time for us to move on and stop reminiscing the past. I am pretty sure that Germany is not still paying reparations for WW2. Can you come up with any source for that? Because the only things i can find is stuff that says that West Germany paid reparations until 1949, and the east paid to the sowjets for a longer period of time. delivering submarines for free/heavy discount to isreal could be counted as reparation.
Where are the Reputations from the Allies? Bombing Dresden which was just unnecassary or Sowjet soldiers rape German woman/Childs? where are the reputation from the US for using Japan as Test for Nukes?
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On March 04 2013 01:32 Gaga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 21:02 Simberto wrote:On March 03 2013 20:55 ppshchik wrote:On March 03 2013 20:32 Zaphid wrote:On March 03 2013 20:08 Recognizable wrote:On March 03 2013 20:03 Cynry wrote:still interesting in an age where holocaust denial is on the rise ;( I don't understand that. Holocaust denial ? People consciously argue that this never happened ? And more and more of them ? I don't even see a point in that, are they defending the nazis or something ? What would they gain if (science fiction here) the holocaust would be recognized as a lie ? There are a lot of idiots in this world. As much as I think holocaust denialists (?) are bunch of idiots, we live in day and age where you should question everything you are told and giving any information free pass is dangerous. However the devil is usually in the details, don't question it happened, question how did they arrive at their conclusions and what were the sources. Saying holocaust never happened is like saying the earth is flat. Holocaust nowadays is all about interests and money. Israel in the past used to not recognize the Armenian genocide in order to maintain good relations with Turkey. However once Israel's relations with Turkey soured after the Flotilla Incident, Israel immediately recognized the Armenian Genocide. Germany is still paying reparations to its European neighbors and Israel. We (or the UN) ousted the Palestinians from their homeland in order for the Jews to have their own country. It's time for us to move on and stop reminiscing the past. I am pretty sure that Germany is not still paying reparations for WW2. Can you come up with any source for that? Because the only things i can find is stuff that says that West Germany paid reparations until 1949, and the east paid to the sowjets for a longer period of time. delivering submarines for free/heavy discount to isreal could be counted as reparation.
And considering WW1 reparations were finished 3 years ago...
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/legacy-of-versailles-germany-closes-book-on-world-war-i-with-final-reparations-payment-a-720156.html
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On March 04 2013 01:29 quaZa wrote:
Are we going again on the "Holocaust was so bad" bangwagoon? 80 years passed....And u guys still picking on my country im sick and tired of it to ask for Permission to show patriotism just because something happend 80 years ago that I my Parents and even my Grandparents couldnt change. What about the killing of native Americans by White ppl? or the slavery of the Black ppl and discrimination of thoose? What about stalin killing MILLIONS of his own ppl? what about the Rape of German Woman/childs from Sowjet Soldiers in the East territorys in 45? NO one talks about this...its always Germany Holocaust Hitler...Its sickening me. idc if i get a ban warning or whatever for that thats my honest opinion. every country has his own dirty history.
In fairness, this is a thread about the Holocaust. Of course there have been other genocides equally bad or worse, but that doesn't mean we cannot talk about the Holocaust or dig into it. Yes, it is the most well-known genocide of all time, which is why a lot of people automatically assume it was the worst. But nonetheless, I don't think most people blame modern-day Germans for the genocide commited 80 years ago. If they do, they're being silly.
For the record, though; you're wrong. People are talking about it. In this very thread, too.
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On March 04 2013 01:09 mRpolite wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 00:55 Hitch-22 wrote:On March 04 2013 00:51 mRpolite wrote:
meh. just another western bullshit tactic to cover up how worse they were than hitler, actually
did you know that british "work camps" in india had worse living condition than nazi camps?
did you know how systematic was the purge of the indians in the us?
or how the conquistadors not only burned south american holy grounds but they built bullshit churches on top so that the spiritual possession could never be returned to the spiritual owners?
did you know that african slavery was going on for 500 years? <sarcasm>
but no, hitler is the devil... Any evidence of anything you just said (for instance the indian camps being worse then nazi concentration camps). The quick answer is, likely not, but im interested. yes. there is. i'll give you a couple of links later today
I'll be waiting on that.
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On March 03 2013 20:27 fartosis77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 20:22 Simberto wrote:On March 03 2013 20:18 Le Cheque Zo wrote:
where are these holocaust deniers If i really wanted to, i could probably find some by googling. But i think i'll pass on that. Knowing german would probably help, but i think insane neonazis also exist in other countries. Note that they are definitively a very small minority here. Please don't get something like "many germans are nazis" out of this, they are not. There are a few of them, and most people really dislike them. But they do exist. Correct me if I'm wrong but the people that deny the holocaust are the neonazis? Shouldn't neonazis be proud of their fuhrer and all that and praise him for his 'achievements'? I'd say the ones that deny are something else than a neonazi. More like a neoretard or something.. ;o
I would think the same but this is from the wikipedia page
"Most Holocaust denial claims imply, or openly state, that the Holocaust is a hoax arising out of a deliberate Jewish conspiracy to advance the interest of Jews at the expense of other peoples. For this reason, Holocaust denial is generally considered to be an antisemitic conspiracy theory."
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On March 04 2013 01:35 quaZa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 01:32 Gaga wrote:On March 03 2013 21:02 Simberto wrote:On March 03 2013 20:55 ppshchik wrote:On March 03 2013 20:32 Zaphid wrote:On March 03 2013 20:08 Recognizable wrote:On March 03 2013 20:03 Cynry wrote:still interesting in an age where holocaust denial is on the rise ;( I don't understand that. Holocaust denial ? People consciously argue that this never happened ? And more and more of them ? I don't even see a point in that, are they defending the nazis or something ? What would they gain if (science fiction here) the holocaust would be recognized as a lie ? There are a lot of idiots in this world. As much as I think holocaust denialists (?) are bunch of idiots, we live in day and age where you should question everything you are told and giving any information free pass is dangerous. However the devil is usually in the details, don't question it happened, question how did they arrive at their conclusions and what were the sources. Saying holocaust never happened is like saying the earth is flat. Holocaust nowadays is all about interests and money. Israel in the past used to not recognize the Armenian genocide in order to maintain good relations with Turkey. However once Israel's relations with Turkey soured after the Flotilla Incident, Israel immediately recognized the Armenian Genocide. Germany is still paying reparations to its European neighbors and Israel. We (or the UN) ousted the Palestinians from their homeland in order for the Jews to have their own country. It's time for us to move on and stop reminiscing the past. I am pretty sure that Germany is not still paying reparations for WW2. Can you come up with any source for that? Because the only things i can find is stuff that says that West Germany paid reparations until 1949, and the east paid to the sowjets for a longer period of time. delivering submarines for free/heavy discount to isreal could be counted as reparation. Where are the Reputations from the Allies? Bombing Dresden which was just unnecassary or Sowjet soldiers rape German woman/Childs? where are the reputation from the US for using Japan as Test for Nukes?
Almost the whole german economy was built up through funding from the US. Ever heard of something called the Marshallplan? Germany received way more money than it deserved. I'm really curious why you think a country starting the largest war in human history should even see a single penny.
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On March 04 2013 01:35 quaZa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 01:32 Gaga wrote:On March 03 2013 21:02 Simberto wrote:On March 03 2013 20:55 ppshchik wrote:On March 03 2013 20:32 Zaphid wrote:On March 03 2013 20:08 Recognizable wrote:On March 03 2013 20:03 Cynry wrote:still interesting in an age where holocaust denial is on the rise ;( I don't understand that. Holocaust denial ? People consciously argue that this never happened ? And more and more of them ? I don't even see a point in that, are they defending the nazis or something ? What would they gain if (science fiction here) the holocaust would be recognized as a lie ? There are a lot of idiots in this world. As much as I think holocaust denialists (?) are bunch of idiots, we live in day and age where you should question everything you are told and giving any information free pass is dangerous. However the devil is usually in the details, don't question it happened, question how did they arrive at their conclusions and what were the sources. Saying holocaust never happened is like saying the earth is flat. Holocaust nowadays is all about interests and money. Israel in the past used to not recognize the Armenian genocide in order to maintain good relations with Turkey. However once Israel's relations with Turkey soured after the Flotilla Incident, Israel immediately recognized the Armenian Genocide. Germany is still paying reparations to its European neighbors and Israel. We (or the UN) ousted the Palestinians from their homeland in order for the Jews to have their own country. It's time for us to move on and stop reminiscing the past. I am pretty sure that Germany is not still paying reparations for WW2. Can you come up with any source for that? Because the only things i can find is stuff that says that West Germany paid reparations until 1949, and the east paid to the sowjets for a longer period of time. delivering submarines for free/heavy discount to isreal could be counted as reparation. Where are the Reputations from the Allies? Bombing Dresden which was just unnecassary or Sowjet soldiers rape German woman/Childs? where are the reputation from the US for using Japan as Test for Nukes?
Typically in war people who started it unjustly dont get reperations. Thats like saying Russians should give france reperations because they defeated napoleon.....not to mention ya it is your countries fault. You cant deny that and if youre sick of it so what? Your country caused TWO of the biggst wars the world has seen, you were lucky your women only got raped as opposed to being forced into a brothel for the rest of their lives or having their babies thrown in the air and shot at. The last times germany got patriotic they killed 10million plus people just through combat alone. So excuse us if were keeping you from "getting patriotic" since history repeats itself.
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On March 03 2013 20:42 HomeWorld wrote:
How about the genocide committed by USA at Hiroshima and Nagasaki (between 150000–246000+ ppl killed in total) ? They only needed 2 atomic bombs.
This is dumb. Had America not dropped the bombs, they would've invaded Japan and probably more people would've died.
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On March 04 2013 01:41 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 20:27 fartosis77 wrote:On March 03 2013 20:22 Simberto wrote:On March 03 2013 20:18 Le Cheque Zo wrote:
where are these holocaust deniers If i really wanted to, i could probably find some by googling. But i think i'll pass on that. Knowing german would probably help, but i think insane neonazis also exist in other countries. Note that they are definitively a very small minority here. Please don't get something like "many germans are nazis" out of this, they are not. There are a few of them, and most people really dislike them. But they do exist. Correct me if I'm wrong but the people that deny the holocaust are the neonazis? Shouldn't neonazis be proud of their fuhrer and all that and praise him for his 'achievements'? I'd say the ones that deny are something else than a neonazi. More like a neoretard or something.. ;o I would think the same but this is from the wikipedia page "Most Holocaust denial claims imply, or openly state, that the Holocaust is a hoax arising out of a deliberate Jewish conspiracy to advance the interest of Jews at the expense of other peoples. For this reason, Holocaust denial is generally considered to be an antisemitic conspiracy theory."
I'm sure many of them are not antisemitic. IMO, many conspiracy theorists are just simpletons who like to stray away from the "official story" because it makes them feel special, since they have what they believe to be privileged information.
On March 04 2013 01:47 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 20:42 HomeWorld wrote:
How about the genocide committed by USA at Hiroshima and Nagasaki (between 150000–246000+ ppl killed in total) ? They only needed 2 atomic bombs. This is dumb. Had America not dropped the bombs, they would've invaded Japan and probably more people would've died.
Armed people though, not civilians, women and children. It was a disgusting military move, done to cut their own losses by murdering innocents.
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No one disagrees that the bombings of nagasaki and hiroshima were an unfortunate side effect of us not wanting to waste any more of us blood to finish the war. That said it isnt genocide, since we didnt keep dropping bombs or keep killing people once they surrendered. The jews were still being killed after (especially at first)peacefully following all things the germans were forcing upon them.
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On March 04 2013 01:49 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 01:41 TommyP wrote:On March 03 2013 20:27 fartosis77 wrote:On March 03 2013 20:22 Simberto wrote:On March 03 2013 20:18 Le Cheque Zo wrote:
where are these holocaust deniers If i really wanted to, i could probably find some by googling. But i think i'll pass on that. Knowing german would probably help, but i think insane neonazis also exist in other countries. Note that they are definitively a very small minority here. Please don't get something like "many germans are nazis" out of this, they are not. There are a few of them, and most people really dislike them. But they do exist. Correct me if I'm wrong but the people that deny the holocaust are the neonazis? Shouldn't neonazis be proud of their fuhrer and all that and praise him for his 'achievements'? I'd say the ones that deny are something else than a neonazi. More like a neoretard or something.. ;o I would think the same but this is from the wikipedia page "Most Holocaust denial claims imply, or openly state, that the Holocaust is a hoax arising out of a deliberate Jewish conspiracy to advance the interest of Jews at the expense of other peoples. For this reason, Holocaust denial is generally considered to be an antisemitic conspiracy theory." I'm sure many of them are not antisemitic. IMO, many conspiracy theorists are just simpletons who like to stray away from the "official story" because it makes them feel special, since they have what they believe to be privileged information.
While that may be true, I'd consider assuming there's a huge Jewish conspiracy antisemitic. As much as I'd consider assuming there's a huge conspiracy by black people racist.
On March 04 2013 01:47 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 20:42 HomeWorld wrote:
How about the genocide committed by USA at Hiroshima and Nagasaki (between 150000–246000+ ppl killed in total) ? They only needed 2 atomic bombs. This is dumb. Had America not dropped the bombs, they would've invaded Japan and probably more people would've died.
You can't really say what would've happened otherwise. What if the US had dropped them at a less populated region? Perhaps Japan would've been impressed just as much. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were disgusting acts that can't be justified.
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On March 04 2013 01:54 FromShouri wrote:
No one disagrees that the bombings of nagasaki and hiroshima were an unfortunate side effect of us not wanting to waste any more of us blood to finish the war. That said it isnt genocide, since we didnt keep dropping bombs or keep killing people once they surrendered. The jews were still being killed after (especially at first)peacefully following all things the germans were forcing upon them.
So you get to target civilians if you only kill a lot of them in a short amount of time?
What you're actually saying is "I'm taught it's okay because the US did it".
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On March 04 2013 01:47 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 20:42 HomeWorld wrote:
How about the genocide committed by USA at Hiroshima and Nagasaki (between 150000–246000+ ppl killed in total) ? They only needed 2 atomic bombs. This is dumb. Had America not dropped the bombs, they would've invaded Japan and probably more people would've died.
Correction: more Americans would have died. They didn't give a shit about killing Japanese citizens. They barely gave a shit about Japanese-Americans.
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Uh oh, looks like the mention of atomic bombs finally did this thread in.
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On March 04 2013 01:44 Zetter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 01:35 quaZa wrote:On March 04 2013 01:32 Gaga wrote:On March 03 2013 21:02 Simberto wrote:On March 03 2013 20:55 ppshchik wrote:On March 03 2013 20:32 Zaphid wrote:On March 03 2013 20:08 Recognizable wrote:On March 03 2013 20:03 Cynry wrote:still interesting in an age where holocaust denial is on the rise ;( I don't understand that. Holocaust denial ? People consciously argue that this never happened ? And more and more of them ? I don't even see a point in that, are they defending the nazis or something ? What would they gain if (science fiction here) the holocaust would be recognized as a lie ? There are a lot of idiots in this world. As much as I think holocaust denialists (?) are bunch of idiots, we live in day and age where you should question everything you are told and giving any information free pass is dangerous. However the devil is usually in the details, don't question it happened, question how did they arrive at their conclusions and what were the sources. Saying holocaust never happened is like saying the earth is flat. Holocaust nowadays is all about interests and money. Israel in the past used to not recognize the Armenian genocide in order to maintain good relations with Turkey. However once Israel's relations with Turkey soured after the Flotilla Incident, Israel immediately recognized the Armenian Genocide. Germany is still paying reparations to its European neighbors and Israel. We (or the UN) ousted the Palestinians from their homeland in order for the Jews to have their own country. It's time for us to move on and stop reminiscing the past. I am pretty sure that Germany is not still paying reparations for WW2. Can you come up with any source for that? Because the only things i can find is stuff that says that West Germany paid reparations until 1949, and the east paid to the sowjets for a longer period of time. delivering submarines for free/heavy discount to isreal could be counted as reparation. Where are the Reputations from the Allies? Bombing Dresden which was just unnecassary or Sowjet soldiers rape German woman/Childs? where are the reputation from the US for using Japan as Test for Nukes? Almost the whole german economy was built up through funding from the US. Ever heard of something called the Marshallplan? Germany received way more money than it deserved. I'm really curious why you think a country starting the largest war in human history should even see a single penny.
world war II was far, far, far from being the largest war in human history.
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Not a big loss, given the quality of these last pages.
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On March 04 2013 02:01 nikola_tesla wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 01:44 Zetter wrote:On March 04 2013 01:35 quaZa wrote:On March 04 2013 01:32 Gaga wrote:On March 03 2013 21:02 Simberto wrote:On March 03 2013 20:55 ppshchik wrote:On March 03 2013 20:32 Zaphid wrote:On March 03 2013 20:08 Recognizable wrote:On March 03 2013 20:03 Cynry wrote:still interesting in an age where holocaust denial is on the rise ;( I don't understand that. Holocaust denial ? People consciously argue that this never happened ? And more and more of them ? I don't even see a point in that, are they defending the nazis or something ? What would they gain if (science fiction here) the holocaust would be recognized as a lie ? There are a lot of idiots in this world. As much as I think holocaust denialists (?) are bunch of idiots, we live in day and age where you should question everything you are told and giving any information free pass is dangerous. However the devil is usually in the details, don't question it happened, question how did they arrive at their conclusions and what were the sources. Saying holocaust never happened is like saying the earth is flat. Holocaust nowadays is all about interests and money. Israel in the past used to not recognize the Armenian genocide in order to maintain good relations with Turkey. However once Israel's relations with Turkey soured after the Flotilla Incident, Israel immediately recognized the Armenian Genocide. Germany is still paying reparations to its European neighbors and Israel. We (or the UN) ousted the Palestinians from their homeland in order for the Jews to have their own country. It's time for us to move on and stop reminiscing the past. I am pretty sure that Germany is not still paying reparations for WW2. Can you come up with any source for that? Because the only things i can find is stuff that says that West Germany paid reparations until 1949, and the east paid to the sowjets for a longer period of time. delivering submarines for free/heavy discount to isreal could be counted as reparation. Where are the Reputations from the Allies? Bombing Dresden which was just unnecassary or Sowjet soldiers rape German woman/Childs? where are the reputation from the US for using Japan as Test for Nukes? Almost the whole german economy was built up through funding from the US. Ever heard of something called the Marshallplan? Germany received way more money than it deserved. I'm really curious why you think a country starting the largest war in human history should even see a single penny. world war II was far, far, far from being the largest war in human history.
That looks far. Which wars have been more deadly?
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