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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
March 03 2013 11:13 GMT
#21
If you compare the scale of death to Mao's Great Leap Forward, it pales in comparison. He staved his own people but instead of crematoriums, just gulags and all is forgiven as it was for the greater good of our country.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11500 Posts
March 03 2013 11:13 GMT
#22
On March 03 2013 20:09 fartosis77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 20:03 Cynry wrote:
still interesting in an age where holocaust denial is on the rise ;(


I don't understand that. Holocaust denial ? People consciously argue that this never happened ? And more and more of them ?
I don't even see a point in that, are they defending the nazis or something ? What would they gain if (science fiction here) the holocaust would be recognized as a lie ?

Silly topics such as these wouldn't exist? :~(


There are a lot of really stupid people. There are also neonazis out there, but even most of them probably don't want to be associated with something as bad as the holocaust. So instead they decide that it did not happen and was actually made up by the jews to gain their own state and make the nazis look bad at the same time, because of the jewish world conspiracy etc.... Or something similarly idiotic. I must confess that i am not 100% up to date on neonazi ideology. But it works something along those lines.
Kinon
Profile Joined October 2012
Romania207 Posts
March 03 2013 11:15 GMT
#23
Holocaust was horrible, but I don't know why everyone ignores Stalin's Great Purge. Stalin killed around 17million russians, while the Holocaust caused somewhere in the vecinity of 6 milion. Of course, the fact that Hitler targeted a specific group of people without any real reason is more frightening that the killing of russian in the name of political power.

My point is, if you want to mourn for those who died for nothing, mourn all of them.
bobsire
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada296 Posts
March 03 2013 11:16 GMT
#24
omg 20million people died.. thats insane.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 11:19:14
March 03 2013 11:17 GMT
#25
On March 03 2013 20:04 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
What a silly title. How can it be worse than previously thought? Anyone know changed his mind about the holocaust, only because some numbers are higher?


It does make a slight difference in that the number will now rival the amount of people Stalin ended up killing indirectly, and therefore people can't say 'Stalin was worse in terms of death than the Holocaust'. Which I know is a pretty small thing but let's get this straight, the Holocaust is probably the worst thing ever to be done by a civilised society (second to slavery) and this has now become eminently more arguable when you can now include the monstrous death toll as well as the innumerable violations of human dignity.

On March 03 2013 19:53 KAkos MAgos wrote:
the winners write the histroy never forget that.


Is this a subtle way of denying the Holocaust?
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 03 2013 11:18 GMT
#26
On March 03 2013 20:16 bobsire wrote:
omg 20million people died.. thats insane.


It was already insane. I feel inclined to say that this changes little; the holocaust was already an act of unimaginable cruelty. The numbers are higher, but I don't really feel much about it. But then again, when millions of people were murdered in cold blood, I guess higher numbers don't really change the way anyone feels about it.

Still, this is sickening. Beyond sickening.
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Le Cheque Zo
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Spain133 Posts
March 03 2013 11:18 GMT
#27
where are these holocaust deniers
StateSC2
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)621 Posts
March 03 2013 11:20 GMT
#28
On March 03 2013 20:13 honkeybeef wrote:
Heil Hitler!

-edit: The holocaust is always exaggerated--christian whites want to believe there is something evil they must stand against. When really the Germans were the victims; how else were they supposed to respond to political and economic pressure. The Jews were simply hoarding all the money and the Germans needed some. Serves the dirty jews right!


well, it was nice knowing you
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honkeybeef
Profile Joined July 2011
United States143 Posts
March 03 2013 11:21 GMT
#29
On March 03 2013 20:20 State wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 20:13 honkeybeef wrote:
Heil Hitler!

-edit: The holocaust is always exaggerated--christian whites want to believe there is something evil they must stand against. When really the Germans were the victims; how else were they supposed to respond to political and economic pressure. The Jews were simply hoarding all the money and the Germans needed some. Serves the dirty jews right!


well, it was nice knowing you


And you, random citizen!
SamsungStar
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States912 Posts
March 03 2013 11:21 GMT
#30
1 million or 20... it's still just wtf. Humans can do some truly horrible things to each other.
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
March 03 2013 11:22 GMT
#31
On March 03 2013 20:03 Cynry wrote:
Show nested quote +
still interesting in an age where holocaust denial is on the rise ;(


I don't understand that. Holocaust denial ? People consciously argue that this never happened ? And more and more of them ?
I don't even see a point in that, are they defending the nazis or something ? What would they gain if (science fiction here) the holocaust would be recognized as a lie ?

Most people don't actually deny that anything happened just that it didn't happen as is widely believed. For instance people claim that way fewer people died, the nazi regime was never involved, jews have conspired to "promote" it at the expense of worse genocides (like Stalin's) to gain political power, etc.

And as others have said the point is usually stupidity and/or antisemitism.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11500 Posts
March 03 2013 11:22 GMT
#32
On March 03 2013 20:18 Le Cheque Zo wrote:
where are these holocaust deniers


If i really wanted to, i could probably find some by googling. But i think i'll pass on that. Knowing german would probably help, but i think insane neonazis also exist in other countries. Note that they are definitively a very small minority here. Please don't get something like "many germans are nazis" out of this, they are not. There are a few of them, and most people really dislike them. But they do exist.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 11:26:52
March 03 2013 11:23 GMT
#33
I wonder if there is any institute or museum who is researching the horrors other leaders (Stalin, Mao).. did.

Oh, and watch Soviet Story if you are interested.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Kinon
Profile Joined October 2012
Romania207 Posts
March 03 2013 11:24 GMT
#34
On March 03 2013 19:53 KAkos MAgos wrote:
the winners write the histroy never forget that.


Is this a subtle way of denying the Holocaust?[/QUOTE]

No, it's just something to keep in mind. If germany had managed to win the war, we wouldn't have known about their war crimes. The sad thing is that, with all the potential for media manipulation, a new Holocaust could still happen and we wouldn't know/forced to believe it was right (just look at the muslin hatred in the US).
SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
March 03 2013 11:26 GMT
#35
On March 03 2013 20:13 honkeybeef wrote:
Heil Hitler!

-edit: The holocaust is always exaggerated--christian whites want to believe there is something evil they must stand against. When really the Germans were the victims; how else were they supposed to respond to political and economic pressure. The Jews were simply hoarding all the money and the Germans needed some. Serves the dirty jews right!


I've never been so glad that a post was already reported.

If you're going to use german, I will too: Verpiss dich.
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
March 03 2013 11:26 GMT
#36
Why are they releasing this info? Politics? What about the horrors of communism? No body cares about that.
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
fartosis77
Profile Joined February 2013
Belgium461 Posts
March 03 2013 11:27 GMT
#37
On March 03 2013 20:22 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 20:18 Le Cheque Zo wrote:
where are these holocaust deniers


If i really wanted to, i could probably find some by googling. But i think i'll pass on that. Knowing german would probably help, but i think insane neonazis also exist in other countries. Note that they are definitively a very small minority here. Please don't get something like "many germans are nazis" out of this, they are not. There are a few of them, and most people really dislike them. But they do exist.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the people that deny the holocaust are the neonazis? Shouldn't neonazis be proud of their fuhrer and all that and praise him for his 'achievements'? I'd say the ones that deny are something else than a neonazi. More like a neoretard or something.. ;o
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
March 03 2013 11:31 GMT
#38
On March 03 2013 20:09 fartosis77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 20:03 Cynry wrote:
still interesting in an age where holocaust denial is on the rise ;(


I don't understand that. Holocaust denial ? People consciously argue that this never happened ? And more and more of them ?
I don't even see a point in that, are they defending the nazis or something ? What would they gain if (science fiction here) the holocaust would be recognized as a lie ?

Silly topics such as these wouldn't exist? :~(


To be fair i am also interested on what is Holocaust denial and why it is on raising.
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
March 03 2013 11:32 GMT
#39
On March 03 2013 20:08 Recognizable wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 20:03 Cynry wrote:
still interesting in an age where holocaust denial is on the rise ;(


I don't understand that. Holocaust denial ? People consciously argue that this never happened ? And more and more of them ?
I don't even see a point in that, are they defending the nazis or something ? What would they gain if (science fiction here) the holocaust would be recognized as a lie ?


There are a lot of idiots in this world.

As much as I think holocaust denialists (?) are bunch of idiots, we live in day and age where you should question everything you are told and giving any information free pass is dangerous. However the devil is usually in the details, don't question it happened, question how did they arrive at their conclusions and what were the sources. Saying holocaust never happened is like saying the earth is flat.
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
March 03 2013 11:34 GMT
#40
On March 03 2013 20:31 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 20:09 fartosis77 wrote:
On March 03 2013 20:03 Cynry wrote:
still interesting in an age where holocaust denial is on the rise ;(


I don't understand that. Holocaust denial ? People consciously argue that this never happened ? And more and more of them ?
I don't even see a point in that, are they defending the nazis or something ? What would they gain if (science fiction here) the holocaust would be recognized as a lie ?

Silly topics such as these wouldn't exist? :~(


To be fair i am also interested on what is Holocaust denial and why it is on raising.


It is either on the rise, or just that the idiots who always believed that garbage are finally just less embarrassed to come public with their beliefs...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
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