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On February 24 2018 04:39 Logo wrote:
For example, if 500+ students are absent that day how accurate is the schools' record keeping, would they actually be able to prove who is and isn't at school? They may if teachers rat out their students, but I've seen days of mass truancy (major sport victory for example) and teachers go in expecting it and they don't seem to snitch.
I'm not sure what type of school you went to, but in the public schools I've worked at attendance was taken each period and it was a legal record that was required to be correct. If a student didn't report for school the school would call the family asking why no parent/guardian called the kid in sick. It makes no sense to me that you think the school wouldn't know which students were out. It is also a horrible characterization to say teachers are 'snitching' if they report their students absent even though they are required to do so.
On the other hand, this is easily avoidable if 500 students' parents each call their kid in sick that day. That doesn't completely eliminate the possibility that the school will try to take a principled stand but it's less likely than if kids literally walk out of school.
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On February 24 2018 09:21 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2018 04:39 Logo wrote:
For example, if 500+ students are absent that day how accurate is the schools' record keeping, would they actually be able to prove who is and isn't at school? They may if teachers rat out their students, but I've seen days of mass truancy (major sport victory for example) and teachers go in expecting it and they don't seem to snitch. I'm not sure what type of school you went to, but in the public schools I've worked at attendance was taken each period and it was a legal record that was required to be correct. If a student didn't report for school the school would call the family asking why no parent/guardian called the kid in sick. It makes no sense to me that you think the school wouldn't know which students were out. It is also a horrible characterization to say teachers are 'snitching' if they report their students absent even though they are required to do so. On the other hand, this is easily avoidable if 500 students' parents each call their kid in sick that day. That doesn't completely eliminate the possibility that the school will try to take a principled stand but it's less likely than if kids literally walk out of school.
IIRC when I was in high school, it was a scantron like sheet that teachers would fill out with absent/late. It'd get input by the office ladies and an automated dialer would call home with a message that xx has skipped school.
I fail to see how they could reasonably discipline 500 students though. Detention seems like you're punishing the teachers with that many students. Same story with suspension, wtf are the 5 students at school going to actually do.
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On February 24 2018 09:03 NewSunshine wrote:
"Hey, we've noticed that you did something that went against overwhelming popular consensus, and even common sense, in a move to put more money in your own pocket. We like what you're doing, here's a trophy." - the NRA
And I guess we also missed the bit where Gates folded and pled guilty:
The next domino has fallen.
The third Trump campaign member to plead guilty and cooperate in the ongoing FBI investigation of Trump and his campaign.
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On February 24 2018 10:38 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2018 09:03 NewSunshine wrote:"Hey, we've noticed that you did something that went against overwhelming popular consensus, and even common sense, in a move to put more money in your own pocket. We like what you're doing, here's a trophy." - the NRA And I guess we also missed the bit where Gates folded and pled guilty: https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/967128761710804997The next domino has fallen. The third Trump campaign member to plead guilty and cooperate in the ongoing FBI investigation of Trump and his campaign.
The third time none of his supporters cared.
Feels like this is (at best) on Manafort to decide whether he believes Trump will pardon him/commute his sentence if he doesn't incriminate him or not. Presuming Manafort has something that would incriminate Trump or someone in his immediate family in the first place.
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On February 24 2018 08:59 LegalLord wrote:
When the internet mobs bring him to the guillotine for his moral failings, at least we will be able to respect that he had the balls to do the scummy things he actually did.
I dunno, it doesn't take a whole lot of balls when you're a member of industry working on behalf of industry. He really doesn't care what the internet thinks because there's no reason he's not going straight back to Verizon after his FCC stint and hide from the unwashed masses in his gated community.
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Uh oh.. Mr "Second amendment solution" is now saying violent video games have blame for mass violence.
Stay away from my games!!
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"When it came time to get in there and do something, he didn't have the courage or something happened. But, he certainly did a poor job."
- Says man who wouldn't go to Vietnam when called upon by his country
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On February 24 2018 14:58 TheFish7 wrote:
"When it came time to get in there and do something, he didn't have the courage or something happened. But, he certainly did a poor job."
- Says man who wouldn't go to Vietnam when called upon by his country
But teachers with 1/100th the close combat and firefight training of a sheriff's deputy (who themselves have marginal close combat and firefight training) are going to do better than he did! Somehow "arm the teachers" is an acceptable answer that never gets checked against even the most basic of plausibility questions. If it were such a good idea to arm teachers ... why didn't anyone start doing it before? We have had decades of school violence. Why no guns?
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On February 24 2018 17:05 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2018 14:58 TheFish7 wrote:
"When it came time to get in there and do something, he didn't have the courage or something happened. But, he certainly did a poor job."
- Says man who wouldn't go to Vietnam when called upon by his country But teachers with 1/100th the close combat and firefight training of a sheriff's deputy (who themselves have marginal close combat and firefight training) are going to do better than he did! Somehow "arm the teachers" is an acceptable answer that never gets checked against even the most basic of plausibility questions. If it were such a good idea to arm teachers ... why didn't anyone start doing it before? We have had decades of school violence. Why no guns?
Because this administration does not want to touch gun laws. It's that simple. They have to have an answer for the wave of criticism so they come up with this 'solution'.
I'm waiting on the story of the first teacher going "Billy, either you shut up or this will shut you up" *puts gun on the desk*
Mentally unstable people are in all jobs but I would Hazard a guess that teachers are actually more likely to be that. I think most of us can think of a teacher we met in school who had problems establishing authority. So in essence arming teachers actually could solve two problems at once... (/s, obviously)
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On February 24 2018 17:05 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2018 14:58 TheFish7 wrote:
"When it came time to get in there and do something, he didn't have the courage or something happened. But, he certainly did a poor job."
- Says man who wouldn't go to Vietnam when called upon by his country But teachers with 1/100th the close combat and firefight training of a sheriff's deputy (who themselves have marginal close combat and firefight training) are going to do better than he did! Somehow "arm the teachers" is an acceptable answer that never gets checked against even the most basic of plausibility questions. If it were such a good idea to arm teachers ... why didn't anyone start doing it before? We have had decades of school violence. Why no guns?
I just ran the question through a logic algorithm, and it returned the following answer: "Because it is obviously insane."
Interestingly, the algorithm also turned up the following observation: "Of course Trump thinks it's a good idea. See the first answer."
Only the crackiest of crackpots and most hardline NRA lunatics believe giving teachers guns is a great idea. I can see this being a natural way for the conversation to pivot as the right tries to wriggle out of the uncomfortable spot the kids protesting has put them in (made worse by the revolting response by some of their own side of the aisle to them doing so), but I don't think it'll stick.
I think it's not bleeding heart liberalism to observe that the sort of teacher who has no issues with the idea of drawing a gun and shooting a student isn't the sort of teacher you want around your kids.
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On February 24 2018 14:53 On_Slaught wrote:
Uh oh.. Mr "Second amendment solution" is now saying violent video games have blame for mass violence.
Stay away from my games!!
Careful, he might lose the gamergate morons and the bright kids from 4chan.
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On February 24 2018 23:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2018 14:53 On_Slaught wrote:
Uh oh.. Mr "Second amendment solution" is now saying violent video games have blame for mass violence.
Stay away from my games!! Careful, he might lose the gamergate morons and the bright kids from 4chan.
All those clowns were on that Trump train to piss off people they felt were SJWs. So this is a pretty nice turn around, going back the late 90s in video game discourse.
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On February 24 2018 18:16 schaf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2018 17:05 Wulfey_LA wrote:On February 24 2018 14:58 TheFish7 wrote:
"When it came time to get in there and do something, he didn't have the courage or something happened. But, he certainly did a poor job."
- Says man who wouldn't go to Vietnam when called upon by his country But teachers with 1/100th the close combat and firefight training of a sheriff's deputy (who themselves have marginal close combat and firefight training) are going to do better than he did! Somehow "arm the teachers" is an acceptable answer that never gets checked against even the most basic of plausibility questions. If it were such a good idea to arm teachers ... why didn't anyone start doing it before? We have had decades of school violence. Why no guns? Because this administration does not want to touch gun laws. It's that simple. They have to have an answer for the wave of criticism so they come up with this 'solution'. I'm waiting on the story of the first teacher going "Billy, either you shut up or this will shut you up" *puts gun on the desk* Mentally unstable people are in all jobs but I would Hazard a guess that teachers are actually more likely to be that. I think most of us can think of a teacher we met in school who had problems establishing authority. So in essence arming teachers actually could solve two problems at once... (/s, obviously)
Classroom management is undoubtedly the most difficult part of many teachers' jobs (and that doesn't mean they're necessarily bad teachers either). It can be extremely frustrating to lose control of a class, and adding a gun into the scenario would provide some new- and really, really bad- options for dealing with things.
I have no doubt in my mind that if every teacher in the United States received a gun on Monday and was forced to carry it around throughout each school day, that there would be hundreds of instances of teachers threatening students with guns, students trying to get teachers to take out the guns or shoot students, students attacking teachers in the classroom or hallway and trying to steal guns, and some accidental (and maybe on purpose) shootings. Before March 1st.
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On February 25 2018 00:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2018 23:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:On February 24 2018 14:53 On_Slaught wrote:
Uh oh.. Mr "Second amendment solution" is now saying violent video games have blame for mass violence.
Stay away from my games!! Careful, he might lose the gamergate morons and the bright kids from 4chan. All those clowns were on that Trump train to piss off people they felt were SJWs. So this is a pretty nice turn around, going back the late 90s in video game discourse.
Don't be surprised to see the pivot to "Video games were always a degenerate form of recreation! Good for Trump, he's turning a generation of men away from a waste of time!"
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A growing number of companies are announcing plans to sever ties with the National Rifle Association following the shooting massacre Feb. 14 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in South Florida that left 17 students and staff.
One of the first companies that said it would cut ties with the lobbying group was First National Bank of Omaha, which announced Thursday that it would not renew a co-branded Visa credit card with the NRA.
A slew of other companies -- including United Airlines, Delta Air Lines, MetLife Insurance Co., Hertz and Best Western -- have followed suit, announcing plans to terminate special discounts and benefits for NRA members.
www.yahoo.com
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On February 25 2018 01:25 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2018 00:46 Plansix wrote:On February 24 2018 23:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:On February 24 2018 14:53 On_Slaught wrote:
Uh oh.. Mr "Second amendment solution" is now saying violent video games have blame for mass violence.
Stay away from my games!! Careful, he might lose the gamergate morons and the bright kids from 4chan. All those clowns were on that Trump train to piss off people they felt were SJWs. So this is a pretty nice turn around, going back the late 90s in video game discourse. Don't be surprised to see the pivot to "Video games were always a degenerate form of recreation! Good for Trump, he's turning a generation of men away from a waste of time!"
They need to most alpha of men to tell them how live their lives in the most masculine way possible.
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On February 25 2018 01:36 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +A growing number of companies are announcing plans to sever ties with the National Rifle Association following the shooting massacre Feb. 14 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in South Florida that left 17 students and staff.
One of the first companies that said it would cut ties with the lobbying group was First National Bank of Omaha, which announced Thursday that it would not renew a co-branded Visa credit card with the NRA.
A slew of other companies -- including United Airlines, Delta Air Lines, MetLife Insurance Co., Hertz and Best Western -- have followed suit, announcing plans to terminate special discounts and benefits for NRA members. www.yahoo.com
Enterprise is also a car company that broke ties, there were a few more judging from my feed.
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On February 25 2018 01:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2018 01:25 PhoenixVoid wrote:On February 25 2018 00:46 Plansix wrote:On February 24 2018 23:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:On February 24 2018 14:53 On_Slaught wrote:
Uh oh.. Mr "Second amendment solution" is now saying violent video games have blame for mass violence.
Stay away from my games!! Careful, he might lose the gamergate morons and the bright kids from 4chan. All those clowns were on that Trump train to piss off people they felt were SJWs. So this is a pretty nice turn around, going back the late 90s in video game discourse. Don't be surprised to see the pivot to "Video games were always a degenerate form of recreation! Good for Trump, he's turning a generation of men away from a waste of time!" They need to most alpha of men to tell them how live their lives in the most masculine way possible.
The gamergate trolls, and 4chan were bred through Bannon using video games. Bannon is out of the game now, how many of them will turn instantly now that the old timers are going back to "video games breed violence".
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Serious question on the armed teachers front.
It's obviously insane, but with the insane situation your country is in, I do see the logic.
Would it be a more sensible approach if there was simply a guns cabinet at a specific location that the specific authorised teachers could access if one of these situations breaks out? That way there are guns on campus but they're out of the way except when actually needed, and there's less chance of a stressed teacher blowing away thug life Billy for backtalking one time too many.
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On February 25 2018 02:27 iamthedave wrote:
Serious question on the armed teachers front.
It's obviously insane, but with the insane situation your country is in, I do see the logic.
Would it be a more sensible approach if there was simply a guns cabinet at a specific location that the specific authorised teachers could access if one of these situations breaks out? That way there are guns on campus but they're out of the way except when actually needed, and there's less chance of a stressed teacher blowing away thug life Billy for backtalking one time too many.
that does not sound effective or cost-effective. getting to those guns might not be easy or safe in such a situation, nor the teacher that willing to do so. it might be slightly better than arming teachers; but it's not an effective solution to the problem or likely to be of much use in general.
of course the armed teachers proposals in general aren't much based in reality anyways.
if you seek further info you may wish to swap to the shootings thread wherein most of the talk related to this occurs.
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