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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 24 2018 05:53 On_Slaught wrote: Isn't the real problem for the school that the administrator openly stated that he would punish them for their speech, as opposed to being tardy or anything else? Yes. He can punish them for breaking school rules, but not for anything they did outside of school. | ||
Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
Walk out of class --> go outside school property --> protest Am I missing something? | ||
Sermokala
United States13956 Posts
On February 24 2018 06:18 Mohdoo wrote: If these protests aren't even happening at the school, how in the world would the school have any power whatsoever? Walk out of class --> go outside school property --> protest Am I missing something? Its the walking out of class in a coordinated effort part that you're missing. Schools like to exhibit the ability to discipline kids for whatever reason they can think of whenever they feel like it. To them this is just another insult to their authority. | ||
hunts
United States2113 Posts
On February 24 2018 06:25 Sermokala wrote: Its the walking out of class in a coordinated effort part that you're missing. Schools like to exhibit the ability to discipline kids for whatever reason they can think of whenever they feel like it. To them this is just another insult to their authority. And...? I highly doubt "but your honor, those children insulted my authority by walking out and protesting school shootings." Will go very far in court, and it will go even less far in the court of public opinion which will take an absolutely devastating shit all over that school if they try anything like that. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
The result however, was like 4-5 black girls being sent home for having hair extensions. And if you know anything about why black girls get hair extension, it’s often to make it so their hair manageable. A bunch of teachers pointed out that maybe the policy was poorly written and might be negatively impacting black students. The school doubled down because rules are rules and they could not draft rule that might result in some accidently racism. They sent the girl’s home a bunch more times and then the AG and ACLU got involved. Now the rule is changed, but not before the administrators had to prove how dumb they can be. | ||
Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13956 Posts
On February 24 2018 06:33 hunts wrote: And...? I highly doubt "but your honor, those children insulted my authority by walking out and protesting school shootings." Will go very far in court, and it will go even less far in the court of public opinion which will take an absolutely devastating shit all over that school if they try anything like that. Yeah. But for every time this ever blows up in their face and gets any sort of media attention it happens dozens of times and nothing happens. This is just a corporate culture type thing. | ||
Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 24 2018 06:37 Mohdoo wrote: I think the less than respectable thing that will become clear is that a lot of school administrators and whatnot really do get a kick out of just being in charge of a lot of children. They get a sick kick out of the authority. There is a bit of that, but there is also a bit of leaning into rules to avoid making judgment calls you can be held accountable for. People like rules to be like math. Action + rule = result They are more comfortable with strict compliance than deciding if the rule needs to be enforced in each specific case. Its like zero tolerance rules are so popular and also complete garbage. | ||
Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On February 24 2018 07:03 Plansix wrote: There is a bit of that, but there is also a bit of leaning into rules to avoid making judgment calls you can be held accountable for. People like rules to be like math. Action + rule = result They are more comfortable with strict compliance than deciding if the rule needs to be enforced in each specific case. Its like zero tolerance rules are so popular and also complete garbage. I'll never understand how zero tolerance rules ever came to be. It is a conscious decision to opt out of using your brain when making decisions. So fucking awful. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 24 2018 07:07 Mohdoo wrote: I'll never understand how zero tolerance rules ever came to be. It is a conscious decision to opt out of using your brain when making decisions. So fucking awful. It comes from the same place that the three strikes laws come from. Humans like nice ordered rules and clear results. Break laws three times, you get the book thrown at you because you didn’t learn. This school doesn’t tolerate any student violence, period. No exceptions. No second chances or ability to talk your way out of it. People eat that stuff up. We love it. Its clean, no messy human judgment or mistakes because we let people have to many second chances. Its like math. Clean and simple. And its complete garbage. It results in stupid enforcement with no ability to say “we didn’t intend this.” In the case of law, it results in mass incarceration for non-violent crimes. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
As a groundswell grows against the National Rifle Association in the aftermath of last week's school massacre in Parkland, Fla., several businesses say they are ending their partnerships with the gun advocacy group. The brands — ranging from insurance companies to rental cars — all announced their decisions on Twitter, many in direct response to tweets demanding change coalesced under the trending hashtag #boycottNRA. On Friday, Symantec, the cybersecurity company, announced via Twitter it has halted its NRA discount program. About an hour later, the insurance company MetLife followed suit, tweeting, "We value all our customers but have decided to end our discount program with the NRA." A day earlier, First National Bank of Omaha announced via tweet that it "will not renew its contract with the National Rifle Association to issue the NRA Visa Card." It was responding to a tweet saying "Please END your relationship with the @NRA. #NRABloodOnYourHands." The bank said "customer feedback" spurred it to review its relationship with the NRA. Later Thursday, Enterprise Holdings, which owns and operates car rental agencies Alamo, Enterprise and National, announced via tweets from each brand's account that by March 26 it would sever its NRA member discount program. Company spokespeople would not elaborate on the announcements. The NRA did not respond to an NPR request for comment. On its website the NRA says, "It pays to be a member! Get back hundreds of dollars more than you pay in dues" and offers "benefits" running the gamut from home and auto insurance to prescription drug discounts to the "Official Wine Club of the NRA." On Tuesday, ThinkProgress, a liberal-leaning think tank, published a list of some two dozen "corporate partners" that offer incentives to NRA members. ThinkProgess says it asked all of the corporations "whether they plan to continue their relationships with the gun lobby. Four of those companies have ended their relationship with the NRA since this list was initially published." Under car rental discounts, Hertz, Avis and Budget are still listed as "NRA partners." Social media users have taken to Twitter in an effort to name and shame those companies and others for their NRA affiliation. NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre addressed the annual Conservative Political Action Conference Thursday and spoke of "the breakneck speed for gun control laws," following the Florida shooting. "As usual, the opportunists wasted not one second to exploit tragedy for political gain," he said. Proponents of the NRA have also used the hashtag #BoycottNRA to express support for the group. On Friday, Reuters reported Chubb would no longer underwrite NRA insurance for gun owners. A spokesperson told NPR that decision had been made some time ago. "Three months ago, Chubb provided notice of our intent to discontinue participation in the NRA Carry Guard insurance program under the terms of our contract," Chubb said in a statement. Also Friday, Wyndham Worldwide, parent company of major hotel brands including Travelodge, Howard Johnson, Ramada and Days Inn, tweeted that it "is no longer affiliated with the NRA." ThinkProgress reports Wyndham Worldwide stopped offering NRA discounts following a pressure campaign after the Sandy Hook shooting. "We ended our relationship with the NRA late last year," a spokesperson told NPR. Meanwhile, some teachers in Florida were unsettled to learn earlier this week that the retirement funds to which they've been contributing invest in the gun company that produced the weapon used in the Parkland attack. Bloomberg News reports the Florida Retirement System Pension Plan held more than 41,000 shares in American Outdoor Brands Co. (formerly Smith & Wesson), maker of the semi-automatic AR-15 used by the shooter. The president of the Florida teachers union has called for the fund to divest itself of shares. But the Washington Post reports that a spokesman with the state pension fund said that is unlikely to happen anytime soon. Student survivors of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting that left 17 of their classmates and educators dead are also using their platform to increase pressure on the NRA. On Wednesday, at a CNN town hall, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio broke with an NRA stance when he announced he would support raising the age from 18 to 21 for "buying a rifle." He was responding to a question from student survivor Cameron Kasky. However, during the same exchange, Rubio refused to say he would renounce NRA donations. (Rubio has earned the NRA's highest rating, A+.) Stoneman Douglas survivors have also mobilized students from across the country, who have been protesting, staging school walkouts and calling on legislators to act. "March for Our Lives," a national rally, is planned in Washington, D.C., on March 24. Source | ||
CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21705 Posts
On February 24 2018 08:39 CorsairHero wrote: .... https://twitter.com/politico/status/967176047543406593 When scumbags unite | ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Shouldn't be too shocking that the NRA respects a man that will accept money for deregulation in the face of sense and consumer interest. | ||
NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
And I guess we also missed the bit where Gates folded and pled guilty: The next domino has fallen. | ||
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