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Plansix
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Longshank
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On February 24 2018 00:17 On_Slaught wrote: It was a real cop, not some untrained security guard. Also, police guarding schools is nothing new either, and is quite common. If somebody thinks he shouldn't have gone in, then I assume you'd also agree schools all over the country might as well save money and fire their security officers since all it takes to make them useless is to start shooting. Sure if the sole purpose of the lightly armed security officers is to take down heavily armed gun men with assault rifles then yeah, it sounds like a terrible waste of funds. And while the idea of having armed police at a school seems alien to me, I can imagine them serving a purpose in situations that don't involve suicidal maniacs with AR-15s. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24504 Posts
On February 24 2018 01:14 Longshank wrote: Sure if the sole purpose of the lightly armed security officers is to take down heavily armed gun men with assault rifles then yeah, it sounds like a terrible waste of funds. And while the idea of having armed police at a school seems alien to me, I can imagine them serving a purpose in situations that don't involve suicidal maniacs with AR-15s. Doesn't seem like he was suicidal. He had plenty of opportunity to kill himself or suicide by cop and chose neither. | ||
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On_Slaught
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On February 24 2018 00:26 GreenHorizons wrote: I don't know , this cop seems pretty tough. I think he could have taken him. + Show Spoiler + I guess I should say, yeah, I don't want cops in schools. Looks like an excellent way to create another school shooting. He's just lucky she wasn't white. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24504 Posts
On February 24 2018 01:22 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Looks like an excellent way to create another school shooting. He's just lucky she wasn't white. probably would have been punished if she was white. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On February 24 2018 01:23 GreenHorizons wrote: probably would have been punished if she was white. Because cops don't get away with shitting on white people's rights? Gotcha, makes sense. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 24 2018 01:24 hunts wrote: Because cops don't get away with shitting on white people's rights? Gotcha, makes sense. If the white people are rich or upper middle class, not likely. If the white folks are poor, cops will get away with it. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On February 24 2018 01:27 Plansix wrote: If the white people are rich or upper middle class, not likely. If the white folks are poor, cops will get away with it. And how often to rich black people get the shit kicked out of them by cops or shot by cops and have the cops get away? I've yet to hear about a rapper or sportsball player getting their ass kicked and tossed in jail or shot a few times, it seems to only be poor black people that it happens to. | ||
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Trainrunnef
United States601 Posts
On February 24 2018 01:31 hunts wrote: And how often to rich black people get the shit kicked out of them by cops or shot by cops and have the cops get away? I've yet to hear about a rapper or sportsball player getting their ass kicked and tossed in jail or shot a few times, it seems to only be poor black people that it happens to. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/06/nyregion/city-councilman-jumaane-d-williams-is-handcuffed-at-west-indian-day-parade.html Just saying... its not like it never happens. EDIT: sorry wrong link | ||
Womwomwom
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 24 2018 01:31 hunts wrote: And how often to rich black people get the shit kicked out of them by cops or shot by cops and have the cops get away? I've yet to hear about a rapper or sportsball player getting their ass kicked and tossed in jail or shot a few times, it seems to only be poor black people that it happens to. So you are telling me that black folks with power cause police to behave themselves because they have enough power to make the cop lose their job? And even then, professor is Harvard that got arrested for trying to get into his own house. He was a bit of a grump about it, but the local police department has always had a chip on its shoulder for these black Harvard professors not sufficiently respecting police in the way the police like. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On February 24 2018 01:31 hunts wrote: And how often to rich black people get the shit kicked out of them by cops or shot by cops and have the cops get away? I've yet to hear about a rapper or sportsball player getting their ass kicked and tossed in jail or shot a few times, it seems to only be poor black people that it happens to. In terms of being unfairly targeted by cops and unable to contest any mistreatment it's worst for black poor & bad for poor white, middle class are usually off fine, and it's probably pretty tolerable for black rich (I dunno, money/fame will at least grant you resources to retaliate). Rich white people can practically be in the mafia and be elected president or help incite global jihad and be considered a good presidential candidate. That's broadly what we're working with here. In many cases you can probably ignore skin color and just look at the economic situation in order to reach the same conclusion (worst & bad for poor, middle class fine, rich above the law), but the influence of toxic cop culture with regards to white supremacy can't be underestimated or ignored. It needs to be included when raising criticism against law enforcement. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
A former top adviser to Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign indicted by the special counsel was expected to plead guilty as soon as Friday afternoon, according to two people familiar with his plea agreement, a move that signals he is cooperating with the investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. The adviser, Rick Gates, is a longtime political consultant who once served as Mr. Trump’s deputy campaign chairman. The plea deal could be a significant development in the investigation — a sign that Mr. Gates plans to offer incriminating information against his longtime associate and the former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, or other members of the Trump campaign in exchange for a lighter punishment. www.msn.com | ||
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United States7542 Posts
On February 24 2018 01:31 hunts wrote: And how often to rich black people get the shit kicked out of them by cops or shot by cops and have the cops get away? I've yet to hear about a rapper or sportsball player getting their ass kicked and tossed in jail or shot a few times, it seems to only be poor black people that it happens to. To add to the others... http://www.espn.com/tennis/usopen15/story/_/id/13618482/james-blake-tackled-handcuffed-nypd-case-mistaken-identity | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22702 Posts
On February 24 2018 02:02 Doodsmack wrote: Interesting to see movement actually happening on gun control - without even additional legislation. Trump and the Florida governor both proposing to unilaterally raise the minimum age. Weren’t they saying before that we should only enforce the existing laws? This media campaign by the teens whose school got shot up by a kid with a military grade weapon is just not something they can argue with. The insanity of people having wide access to those guns is just too apparent. Words are cheap. Warn me when they actually do something. Thoughts and prayers and all that. | ||
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United States7542 Posts
On February 24 2018 02:03 Gorsameth wrote: Words are cheap. Warn me when they actually do something. Thoughts and prayers and all that. If there's any legislation I expect it to be something that will never pass. Something like "ban bump stocks, increase age of ownership, and spend a ridiculous amount of money arming teachers/hiring guards." Then they can blame Democrats for not going along with it. | ||
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Plansix
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On February 24 2018 01:42 a_flayer wrote: In terms of being unfairly targeted by cops and unable to contest any mistreatment it's worst for black poor & bad for poor white, middle class are usually off fine, and it's probably pretty tolerable for black rich (I dunno, money/fame will at least grant you resources to retaliate). Rich white people can practically be in the mafia and be elected president or help incite global jihad and be considered a good presidential candidate. That's broadly what we're working with here. In many cases you can probably ignore skin color and just look at the economic situation in order to reach the same conclusion (worst & bad for poor, middle class fine, rich above the law), but the influence of toxic cop culture with regards to white supremacy can't be underestimated or ignored. It needs to be included when raising criticism against law enforcement. This sounds about right for the most part. I don't doubt that poor black people have it worse than poor white people, but middle class and up seems mostly fine. Assuming they dress in a way that she's their middle class. I doubt cops would treat a black or white person very well if they have their pants sagging to their knees and wearing a shirt big enough to be a dress. | ||
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