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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
July 02 2017 04:48 GMT
#159661
If this man was a youtube content creator with a patreon account, his fans would be upset that he was rampaging on twitter all the time and not spending enough making videos. Is it that the average person doesn't actually use twitter so his nonsense bypasses them? Trump is not an everyman when it comes to twitter. He is a very particular sort of twitter user.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7886 Posts
July 02 2017 10:16 GMT
#159662
On July 02 2017 05:55 KwarK wrote:
Healthcare is a hot potato where you get nothing but problems for doing anything. Provide healthcare and people don't want to pay. Take away healthcare and people don't want to die. Nationalize things and Ben Carson says that this is literally slavery. Ration things and Fox News says the death panels are coming for grandma.

I can absolutely see why the Democrats don't want to push big idea plans. The American people won't thank them for it. Ultimately the problem with politics has always been the electorate.

Plato nailed it in The Republic when he said that people would always vote for the pastry chef rather than the doctor. At the end it's very hard to argue against someone who just says what people want to hear, especially if people are not educated enough to see through the bs.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7104 Posts
July 02 2017 13:38 GMT
#159663


Is this real life? :DDD
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
July 02 2017 13:51 GMT
#159664
On July 02 2017 22:38 Luolis wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/881503147168071680

Is this real life? :DDD

"MODERN DAY PRESIDENTIAL" has some high standards.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 02 2017 14:19 GMT
#159665
On July 02 2017 22:38 Luolis wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/881503147168071680

Is this real life? :DDD


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Tadah
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden120 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-02 15:49:51
July 02 2017 15:15 GMT
#159666
On July 02 2017 22:38 Luolis wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/881503147168071680

Is this real life? :DDD


Fucking love that guy. Wish he was my President. Alas, I'm stuck here in the cuck capital of the world
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15679 Posts
July 02 2017 15:51 GMT
#159667
I feel privileged to be living this in real time. That Tweet is one for the history books.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
July 02 2017 15:58 GMT
#159668
I think if he posted that before the election he would have won the popular vote too.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15679 Posts
July 02 2017 16:00 GMT
#159669
I'm still kind of in shock. This is just so amazing.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
July 02 2017 16:07 GMT
#159670
Every time he does something to push the envelop a bit more, I ask myself, what would he actually have to do to lose all mainstream support, especially from his 'own' party? Each unruly thing he does is slightly worse than the last, grooming society and our expectations so that he never seems to quite cross the red line of what is or is not completely unacceptable (kind of like how would-be racists groom potential victims). The way you stop discriminatory or harassing behavior in the workplace is to put your foot down the moment you see it rather than let it go 'this time' because it was only a very minor incident. If you as an average employee don't take an active role to stamp out that type of destructive behavior as it first develops, then you are nearly as guilty as the person doing whatever it is that is inappropriate. It seems to be taking republican leadership too long to realize that the president is creating a toxic environment that ultimately will be just as hurtful them and their objectives/agenda as to the government and the country as a whole.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
July 02 2017 16:13 GMT
#159671
On July 03 2017 01:07 micronesia wrote:
Every time he does something to push the envelop a bit more, I ask myself, what would he actually have to do to lose all mainstream support, especially from his 'own' party? Each unruly thing he does is slightly worse than the last, grooming society and our expectations so that he never seems to quite cross the red line of what is or is not completely unacceptable (kind of like how would-be racists groom potential victims). The way you stop discriminatory or harassing behavior in the workplace is to put your foot down the moment you see it rather than let it go 'this time' because it was only a very minor incident. If you as an average employee don't take an active role to stamp out that type of destructive behavior as it first develops, then you are nearly as guilty as the person doing whatever it is that is inappropriate. It seems to be taking republican leadership too long to realize that the president is creating a toxic environment that ultimately will be just as hurtful them and their objectives/agenda as to the government and the country as a whole.


As soon as Trump is gone the GOP will drop him like the world's hottest potato. Funnily enough it will be the Democrats who keep his memory alive.

Assuming of course that Trump doesn't change. Which seems like a safe bet.

Also I must object to "the president is creating a toxic environment." Trump's rise is a crude result of the existing environment.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 02 2017 16:17 GMT
#159672
A viable alternative to the Trump circus is all it will take for us to all drop him on a moment's notice.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
July 02 2017 16:28 GMT
#159673
On July 03 2017 00:58 Introvert wrote:
I think if he posted that before the election he would have won the popular vote too.


Sums it up. Gotta love the triggered leftist by this.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 02 2017 16:33 GMT
#159674
On July 03 2017 01:07 micronesia wrote:
Every time he does something to push the envelop a bit more, I ask myself, what would he actually have to do to lose all mainstream support, especially from his 'own' party? Each unruly thing he does is slightly worse than the last, grooming society and our expectations so that he never seems to quite cross the red line of what is or is not completely unacceptable (kind of like how would-be racists groom potential victims). The way you stop discriminatory or harassing behavior in the workplace is to put your foot down the moment you see it rather than let it go 'this time' because it was only a very minor incident. If you as an average employee don't take an active role to stamp out that type of destructive behavior as it first develops, then you are nearly as guilty as the person doing whatever it is that is inappropriate. It seems to be taking republican leadership too long to realize that the president is creating a toxic environment that ultimately will be just as hurtful them and their objectives/agenda as to the government and the country as a whole.

It is quite interesting that a funny gif makes some people laugh and others post comments like this.This seems to be the biggest disconnect between both sides.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-02 16:35:23
July 02 2017 16:34 GMT
#159675
On July 03 2017 01:13 Introvert wrote:
Also I must object to "the president is creating a toxic environment." Trump's rise is a crude result of the existing environment.
I'll agree there was a toxic environment before this administration (which contributed)... so I'll revise to say he's creating a much more toxic environment. In particular, he's making it toxic in different ways which is what I am reacting to.

On July 03 2017 01:17 LegalLord wrote:
A viable alternative to the Trump circus is all it will take for us to all drop him on a moment's notice.

This is probably true, but hopefully you are pointing it out despite recognizing how awful and short-sighted this fact is.

On July 03 2017 01:33 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 01:07 micronesia wrote:
Every time he does something to push the envelop a bit more, I ask myself, what would he actually have to do to lose all mainstream support, especially from his 'own' party? Each unruly thing he does is slightly worse than the last, grooming society and our expectations so that he never seems to quite cross the red line of what is or is not completely unacceptable (kind of like how would-be racists groom potential victims). The way you stop discriminatory or harassing behavior in the workplace is to put your foot down the moment you see it rather than let it go 'this time' because it was only a very minor incident. If you as an average employee don't take an active role to stamp out that type of destructive behavior as it first develops, then you are nearly as guilty as the person doing whatever it is that is inappropriate. It seems to be taking republican leadership too long to realize that the president is creating a toxic environment that ultimately will be just as hurtful them and their objectives/agenda as to the government and the country as a whole.

It is quite interesting that a funny gif makes some people laugh and others post comments like this.This seems to be the biggest disconnect between both sides.

The gif didn't make me post the comment. The last several months contributed towards it. The gif is one small piece of this (obviously I don't care much about the gif itself).
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12169 Posts
July 02 2017 16:50 GMT
#159676
This is a bit of tangent, but what's with your rightwingers and appeals to look at Switzerland? I already knew that their rhetoric includes saying that Switzerland doesn't have gun control and everything works perfectly fine (ignoring, of course, that we do have gun control) and today I learned that libertarians point to Switzerland as an example of a country where libertarianism is applied, which is possibly even more bullshit. What's the logic here, point to a country that nobody knows much about and hope that nobody will care to fact-check?
No will to live, no wish to die
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-02 17:03:52
July 02 2017 16:57 GMT
#159677
On July 03 2017 01:33 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 01:07 micronesia wrote:
Every time he does something to push the envelop a bit more, I ask myself, what would he actually have to do to lose all mainstream support, especially from his 'own' party? Each unruly thing he does is slightly worse than the last, grooming society and our expectations so that he never seems to quite cross the red line of what is or is not completely unacceptable (kind of like how would-be racists groom potential victims). The way you stop discriminatory or harassing behavior in the workplace is to put your foot down the moment you see it rather than let it go 'this time' because it was only a very minor incident. If you as an average employee don't take an active role to stamp out that type of destructive behavior as it first develops, then you are nearly as guilty as the person doing whatever it is that is inappropriate. It seems to be taking republican leadership too long to realize that the president is creating a toxic environment that ultimately will be just as hurtful them and their objectives/agenda as to the government and the country as a whole.

It is quite interesting that a funny gif makes some people laugh and others post comments like this.This seems to be the biggest disconnect between both sides.


Even accepting the gif as a joke, it's a very fitting joke for Trump, even though he probably doesn't realize it. The big story of his campaign and presidency (so far) is the WWF match between him and the media. It's about as substantive as Trump himself gets.

warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2394 Posts
July 02 2017 16:59 GMT
#159678
On July 03 2017 01:50 Nebuchad wrote:
This is a bit of tangent, but what's with your rightwingers and appeals to look at Switzerland? I already knew that their rhetoric includes saying that Switzerland doesn't have gun control and everything works perfectly fine (ignoring, of course, that we do have gun control) and today I learned that libertarians point to Switzerland as an example of a country where libertarianism is applied, which is possibly even more bullshit. What's the logic here, point to a country that nobody knows much about and hope that nobody will care to fact-check?

Pretty much. I remember Madeleine Albright talking about meeting Kim Jung-Il and asking him what his vision for North Korea was. His answer was that he wanted North Korea to be the Switzerland of Asia. I also think there are a bunch of African countries that have tried to label themselves as the Switzerland of Africa.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15679 Posts
July 02 2017 17:36 GMT
#159679
On July 03 2017 01:28 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 00:58 Introvert wrote:
I think if he posted that before the election he would have won the popular vote too.


Sums it up. Gotta love the triggered leftist by this.


I don't think anyone is triggered. I see a lot of people taking a moment to appreciate what it means to have a shitposting president. It is beautiful. WWE memes vis president. It is insanity.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
July 02 2017 17:57 GMT
#159680
I was certain Trump would push us towards either the Idiocracy timeline or the Mad Max one. Looks like the former has now become the dominant timeline probability.

But seriously, mental illness is no laughing matter!
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