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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 24 2017 22:14 GMT
#143901
On March 25 2017 07:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I'm seeing more and more dems talking about how health care is a right, which I assume means single payer.

also apparently Louisiana just got tolled it can't make it illegal for refugees to get married. which should be obvious

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/judge-blocks-louisiana-law-kept-refugee-marrying-n738101



NEW ORLEANS — A judge presided, and the beaming couple embraced teary-eyed well-wishers when it was over. It wasn't a wedding, but it brought Viet Anh Vo and Heather Pham a bit closer to marriage.

Vo is 32. He's been a Louisiana resident since he was a baby and a U.S. citizen since he was 8. But he was born in an Indonesian refugee camp after his parents fled Vietnam. His lack of a birth certificate led to his being denied a marriage license under a state law that took effect last yea

U.S. District Judge Ivan Lemelle of New Orleans blocked enforcement of that law Wednesday. And the legislation's sponsor later said she's drafting changes to make sure foreign-born, legal residents can get a waiver to the birth certificate requirement.

Lemelle granted Vo's request for a preliminary injunction, saying the birth certificate requirement violates the equal protection rights of foreign-born U.S. citizens, as well as the fundamental right to marry.


"It treats him differently from citizens born in the United States or its territories," the judge said.



I mean, why not? Look at the movement behind universal healthcare for the elections. It's the right move to make if the dems want to win back seats.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-24 22:22:02
March 24 2017 22:16 GMT
#143902
On March 25 2017 07:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 07:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I'm seeing more and more dems talking about how health care is a right, which I assume means single payer.

also apparently Louisiana just got tolled it can't make it illegal for refugees to get married. which should be obvious

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/judge-blocks-louisiana-law-kept-refugee-marrying-n738101



NEW ORLEANS — A judge presided, and the beaming couple embraced teary-eyed well-wishers when it was over. It wasn't a wedding, but it brought Viet Anh Vo and Heather Pham a bit closer to marriage.

Vo is 32. He's been a Louisiana resident since he was a baby and a U.S. citizen since he was 8. But he was born in an Indonesian refugee camp after his parents fled Vietnam. His lack of a birth certificate led to his being denied a marriage license under a state law that took effect last yea

U.S. District Judge Ivan Lemelle of New Orleans blocked enforcement of that law Wednesday. And the legislation's sponsor later said she's drafting changes to make sure foreign-born, legal residents can get a waiver to the birth certificate requirement.

Lemelle granted Vo's request for a preliminary injunction, saying the birth certificate requirement violates the equal protection rights of foreign-born U.S. citizens, as well as the fundamental right to marry.


"It treats him differently from citizens born in the United States or its territories," the judge said.

Show nested quote +


I mean, why not? Look at the movement behind universal healthcare for the elections. It's the right move to make if the dems want to win back seats.


yeah. publics behind it pretty heavily. I just hope higher ups listen. One of the reasons I like franken so much. He's been a supporter his entire career. (don't see him running in 2020 cause he's up for reelection unfortunately). Also interestingly Mark Cuban supports single payer and a constitutional amendment making healthcare a fundamental right. Also I'd rather have Takano as a senator than Feinstein. I'm not sure she's actually done anything (Lieu as a senator while hilarious would probably be counterproductive.)

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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
March 24 2017 22:25 GMT
#143903
We can't forget what "the Democrats" were trying to say about UHC and fighting against Republicans before Trump won though.



Or how Sanders calls for UHC were characterized by Chelsea Clinton:

"Sen. Sanders wants to dismantle Obamacare, dismantle the CHIP program, dismantle Medicare, and dismantle private insurance," Clinton said in New Hampshire Jan. 12. "I don't want to empower Republican governors to take away Medicaid, to take away health insurance for low-income and middle-income working Americans. And I think very much that's what Sen. Sanders' plan would do."


Source

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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8224 Posts
March 24 2017 22:57 GMT
#143904
So, looks like Trump got tired of winning already. That went quite fast.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 24 2017 23:13 GMT
#143905
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 24 2017 23:18 GMT
#143906
On March 25 2017 08:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/845361857774931968


I know its a meme at this point, but...

THE PIVOT HAS ARRIVED
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 24 2017 23:22 GMT
#143907
On March 25 2017 08:18 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 08:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/845361857774931968


I know its a meme at this point, but...

THE PIVOT HAS ARRIVED

Ham fisted attempt to stick it to the GOP who couldn't' work it out. Was he alive during the those dumpster fire nominations the Democrats had to suffer through? He put Ben Carson in charge of HUD. He isn't doing shit with the Dems in the House.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
March 24 2017 23:37 GMT
#143908
On March 25 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 08:18 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 25 2017 08:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/845361857774931968


I know its a meme at this point, but...

THE PIVOT HAS ARRIVED

Ham fisted attempt to stick it to the GOP who couldn't' work it out. Was he alive during the those dumpster fire nominations the Democrats had to suffer through? He put Ben Carson in charge of HUD. He isn't doing shit with the Dems in the House.

I think you're giveing trump too much credit when you say that he has a plan with this and isn't just randomly floundering around trying to make something happen.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 24 2017 23:38 GMT
#143909
On March 25 2017 08:37 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:
On March 25 2017 08:18 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 25 2017 08:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/845361857774931968


I know its a meme at this point, but...

THE PIVOT HAS ARRIVED

Ham fisted attempt to stick it to the GOP who couldn't' work it out. Was he alive during the those dumpster fire nominations the Democrats had to suffer through? He put Ben Carson in charge of HUD. He isn't doing shit with the Dems in the House.

I think you're giveing trump too much credit when you say that he has a plan with this and isn't just randomly floundering around trying to make something happen.

The worst part is that really do have no idea if he has bad plans or literally no idea what is happening.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-24 23:47:00
March 24 2017 23:45 GMT
#143910
So now it's back to the usual "lynch Paul Ryan" I'd assume?

So Trump wants Dems to work with him on healthcare... people are talking about getting rid of Paul Ryan to replace him with someone that's more in line with what people imagined the great healthcare under Trump would be. Emphasize on imagine since we obviously don't know what the masterplan was to begin with

Has anyone told them yet that if they replace him with someone way more hardline Dems are only going to be less likely to work with them?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
March 24 2017 23:46 GMT
#143911
On March 25 2017 08:38 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 08:37 Sermokala wrote:
On March 25 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:
On March 25 2017 08:18 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 25 2017 08:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/845361857774931968


I know its a meme at this point, but...

THE PIVOT HAS ARRIVED

Ham fisted attempt to stick it to the GOP who couldn't' work it out. Was he alive during the those dumpster fire nominations the Democrats had to suffer through? He put Ben Carson in charge of HUD. He isn't doing shit with the Dems in the House.

I think you're giveing trump too much credit when you say that he has a plan with this and isn't just randomly floundering around trying to make something happen.

The worst part is that really do have no idea if he has bad plans or literally no idea what is happening.

Really? Looks pretty obvious he has no idea from where I'm sitting.
His 'ultimatum', "who knew healthcare could be so complex", breaking the one china policy and then supporting it later. The disconnect between his spoke people and his own actions hours later.

Looks like flailing around without a clue to me.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
March 24 2017 23:50 GMT
#143912
On March 25 2017 08:46 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 08:38 Plansix wrote:
On March 25 2017 08:37 Sermokala wrote:
On March 25 2017 08:22 Plansix wrote:
On March 25 2017 08:18 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 25 2017 08:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/845361857774931968


I know its a meme at this point, but...

THE PIVOT HAS ARRIVED

Ham fisted attempt to stick it to the GOP who couldn't' work it out. Was he alive during the those dumpster fire nominations the Democrats had to suffer through? He put Ben Carson in charge of HUD. He isn't doing shit with the Dems in the House.

I think you're giveing trump too much credit when you say that he has a plan with this and isn't just randomly floundering around trying to make something happen.

The worst part is that really do have no idea if he has bad plans or literally no idea what is happening.

Really? Looks pretty obvious he has no idea from where I'm sitting.
His 'ultimatum', "who knew healthcare could be so complex", breaking the one china policy and then supporting it later. The disconnect between his spoke people and his own actions hours later.

Looks like flailing around without a clue to me.

I could believe that the one china situation could have been an idea form obama on his way out in a way to keep the status quo but put china on the back foot to start his administration.

This just reeks of a lack of any real way forward on health care that doesn't bring us to the left.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 24 2017 23:51 GMT
#143913
I think Trump is clueless and has no idea. I just don't know if that is aimless or directed toward something. That is all I am saying.

People calling to get rid of Paul Ryan need to remind themselves how he got that job in the first place. No one wants to be Speaker of the House right now. It means leading the hottest section of the Dumpster Fire Party. It is like being head of the senate, except you have no power and a large section of the chamber is super fucking pissed at you.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 24 2017 23:57 GMT
#143914
I'm glad reality kept Trump and his Republican troopers in line.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 25 2017 00:09 GMT
#143915
what about the freedom caucus guys? Are they not willing to be Speaker of the House or is it that noone is willing to make one of them speaker of the house?
I know about the story how Paul Ryan ended up with the job but I don't exactly know the details of how you really decide on who does it. Aka, was it really the only one willing to do it or was it the only one willing to do the job out of the subset of people who'd be able to get confirmed or something like that?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
March 25 2017 00:11 GMT
#143916
On March 25 2017 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
what about the freedom caucus guys? Are they not willing to be Speaker of the House or is it that noone is willing to make one of them speaker of the house?
I know about the story how Paul Ryan ended up with the job but I don't exactly know the details of how you really decide on who does it. Aka, was it really the only one willing to do it or was it the only one willing to do the job out of the subset of people who'd be able to get confirmed or something like that?

freedom caucus doesn't have the numbers to have their guy as speaker unless they compromise which isn't something they do or anyone trusts them to do.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
March 25 2017 00:17 GMT
#143917
Also by becoming Speaker they become responsible for actually doing stuff and that is not what they are about.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 25 2017 00:17 GMT
#143918
On March 25 2017 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
what about the freedom caucus guys? Are they not willing to be Speaker of the House or is it that noone is willing to make one of them speaker of the house?
I know about the story how Paul Ryan ended up with the job but I don't exactly know the details of how you really decide on who does it. Aka, was it really the only one willing to do it or was it the only one willing to do the job out of the subset of people who'd be able to get confirmed or something like that?

The Majority party votes on the Speaker of the House. The minority party votes on the Minority Leader. Both parties have members put their names forward and then each party votes on its own time before the session of congress. But there needs to be people who want the job. Given the deeply dysfunctional state of the Republican party in the House, it is very hard to find people to lead it. Specifically when the Freedom Caucus decides to fight over petty shit like the debt ceiling(the goverment agreeing to keep paying debts the congress created with previous spending) and blow up bills.

This is what happens when you make your entire focus not doing anything for 6 years and then suddenly have to work. You find out that the people that got elected by saying "we will get rid of the black man's health care law" don't know shit about governing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 25 2017 00:19 GMT
#143919
On March 25 2017 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
what about the freedom caucus guys? Are they not willing to be Speaker of the House or is it that noone is willing to make one of them speaker of the house?
I know about the story how Paul Ryan ended up with the job but I don't exactly know the details of how you really decide on who does it. Aka, was it really the only one willing to do it or was it the only one willing to do the job out of the subset of people who'd be able to get confirmed or something like that?

It would be akin to making a FN/AfD/UKIP representative the leader of the legislature. Freedom Caucus/Tea Party are kind of like the US's far-right and their fellow Republicans don't really like them all that much either.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-25 00:25:29
March 25 2017 00:24 GMT
#143920
One of the big differences is that the Tea Party has been in congress for like 6 years and have actively cultivated other GOP members distaste for them. Let alone the Democrats. They have gone out of their way to fuck over their own party. The entire senate hates Ted Cruz, cannot fucking stand him. If the Republicans had not taken the hard line of not working with the Democrats on ANYTHING for 6 years, the Tea Party would be powerless. All their power is based on the fact that the party line holds. When that ends, they will just be jokes.

So they should have power for at least another 2-4 years.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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