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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 25 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote: Trump sure didn't. He is used to business where he tells them to do something and everyone just does it. Shockingly, bring business owner does not give you powerful, magical skills to increase the efficiently of any profession under the sun. That is a myth created by business owners. Career civil servants have skills and knowledge no one else has. Also water is wet. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On March 25 2017 05:51 Mohdoo wrote: God damn it trump, can you please just fucking tweet something? I'm going crazy over here. he's apparently giving some sort of live conference. basically blaming Dems and repeatedly claiming that Obamacare is exploding. I think I'll stick with the analysis of Krugman and the CBO that it's not. Krugman saying there's no point for dems to do anything to a point. Let's also remember the for years Republicans vetoed every possible fix like ending the donut hole in coverage. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On March 25 2017 05:51 Mohdoo wrote: God damn it trump, can you please just fucking tweet something? I'm going crazy over here. there's this pfft, how about dems pull their head out and take this opportunity to push medicare for all. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 25 2017 05:53 GreenHorizons wrote: there's this https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/845377123669848064 pfft, how about dems pull their head out and take this opportunity to push medicare for all. Patience. You don’t compete for air time in the middle of an atomic dumpster fire. We told you so comes on Monday. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On March 25 2017 05:57 Plansix wrote: Patience. You don’t compete for air time in the middle of an atomic dumpster fire. We told you so comes on Monday. Just saying, Trump is going to try to pivot to tax cuts and blaming any healthcare problems on democrats, they could cut his legs out from under him by saying, "You know what? Obamacare does have one big problem you pointed out during you campaign, it doesn't cover everyone. We want to fix that with medicare for all" "Soooo did you want to keep your promise of getting everyone covered (like every other OECD country) or did you just want to move on to cutting taxes for wealthy people?" But I get if they wait till the Sunday shows as to let this simmer for a little bit. EDIT: Of course what they are actually going to do is confirm Gorsuch and work together on Trump's tax break for the wealthy because they were just as committed to a repatriation bill as Republicans are. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Introvert
United States4773 Posts
On March 25 2017 06:16 Plansix wrote: The Democrats were speaking on the floor today opposing this bill. They are not being silent. They don't control what rises to the top of the media. However, the House Freedom Caucus is being" blamed." I hope they run with that. "This really unpopular bill was defeated by conservatives!" I'll take that storyline any day. On March 25 2017 06:02 GreenHorizons wrote: EDIT: Of course what they are actually going to do is confirm Gorsuch and work together on Trump's tax break for the wealthy because they were just as committed to a repatriation bill as Republicans are. The Senate Democrats actually have no power to stop that. If they filibuster the GOP will finish Reid's work and remove the filibuster for nominees. What happens if RBG dies and the filibuster is already gone? The GOP knows the Dems would remove it in a heartbeat were the situation reversed, so there is nothing to be gained by losing now. It doesn't help that these hearings have provided so few explosions from which to build "resistance." It just looks like the petty partisanship they accused the GOP of, but worse. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On March 25 2017 06:16 Plansix wrote: The Democrats were speaking on the floor today opposing this bill. They are not being silent. They don't control what rises to the top of the media. Who said they were being silent? Of course they were opposing the bill. Pretty sure they could get medicare for all to the top of the media if they wanted though. On March 25 2017 06:19 Introvert wrote: However, the House Freedom Caucus is being" blamed." I hope they run with that. "This really unpopular bill was defeated by conservatives!" I'll take that storyline any day. I knew from the start they were going to get the credit for this. | ||
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brian
United States9620 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21704 Posts
On March 25 2017 06:16 Plansix wrote: The Democrats were speaking on the floor today opposing this bill. They are not being silent. They don't control what rises to the top of the media. But but, doesn't Hillary control the media? /s | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 25 2017 06:19 brian wrote: i mean they wouldn't want to, to your earlier point. this failing is better news than they could put up. why take away air time. Exactly. They need to strike when it matters. Promoting medicare for all right now is just shouting at the rain. They are not the show until 2018 or the dynamic in the House suddenly shifts. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On March 25 2017 06:22 Plansix wrote: Exactly. They need to strike when it matters. Promoting medicare for all right now is just shouting at the rain. They are not the show until 2018 or the dynamic in the House suddenly shifts. Exactly wrong. "shouting at the rain" as you call it, is exactly what got Republicans this opportunity in the first place. This is their "repeal Obamacare" moment, except they can not only actually have a plan, it will be better than what we have now and instead of 17% approval it's closer to 60% already. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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Trainrunnef
United States599 Posts
On March 25 2017 06:26 WolfintheSheep wrote: It amuses me that someone would complain that politicians aren't photo-opping enough. It has its uses. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Won't deny that it works. And will admit that it's probably the only way for politicians to be elected. Just amuses me that someone would want politicians whoring for the spotlight (and, by extension, wants the politicians who excel at it). | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On March 25 2017 06:42 LegalLord wrote: Problem with pushing UHC is that it would never fly with the traitors and certainly would never pass under Trump. To get it to pass we just need to squeeze out a few more seats for progressives and get one elected president in 2020. Because god knows Schumer and Pelosi are no brilliant thought leaders who will push an intelligent vision forward. Everyone knew repealing the ACA wouldn't happen under Obama, didn't stop people from running on it and winning. Plus, this has the benefit of not being smoke and mirrors. When they win, they could actually implement UHC and it would be an improvement, as opposed to the clusterfuck the republicans came up with after 6+ years and 60+ attempts. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
also apparently Louisiana just got tolled it can't make it illegal for refugees to get married. which should be obvious. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/judge-blocks-louisiana-law-kept-refugee-marrying-n738101 NEW ORLEANS — A judge presided, and the beaming couple embraced teary-eyed well-wishers when it was over. It wasn't a wedding, but it brought Viet Anh Vo and Heather Pham a bit closer to marriage. Vo is 32. He's been a Louisiana resident since he was a baby and a U.S. citizen since he was 8. But he was born in an Indonesian refugee camp after his parents fled Vietnam. His lack of a birth certificate led to his being denied a marriage license under a state law that took effect last yea U.S. District Judge Ivan Lemelle of New Orleans blocked enforcement of that law Wednesday. And the legislation's sponsor later said she's drafting changes to make sure foreign-born, legal residents can get a waiver to the birth certificate requirement. Lemelle granted Vo's request for a preliminary injunction, saying the birth certificate requirement violates the equal protection rights of foreign-born U.S. citizens, as well as the fundamental right to marry. "It treats him differently from citizens born in the United States or its territories," the judge said. Rep. Valarie Hodges, R-Denham Springs, said it was always her intent to provide for waivers in her original bill, which was meant to deter foreigners from gaining visas and citizenship through sham marriages. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On March 25 2017 07:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: I'm seeing more and more dems talking about how health care is a right, which I assume means single payer. Understandably a bit slow after the candidate they backed shut the idea down in order to avoid exactly what ended up happening anyway. | ||
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