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Voter ID? Forgive me for being European, but does a drivers licence count? is it really that hard or expensive to get a-hold of a passport? We have "voter ID" in Norway too, and it's about as expensive as buying a burger. This stuff to bloody well prove you are who you say you are, and to prevent people from impersonating someone else so they can vote twice. it's not because of racism or because of hatred for the poor.
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On July 27 2016 03:47 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:43 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:
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Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check I hope you're referring to xDaunt there, considering he's the one calling people imbeciles and retarded for wanting to exercise their constitutional right. 2nd Amendment: Right to bare arms. Constitutional right to own a gun, full stop, end of discussion. 15th Amendment: Right to vote. Constitutional right to vote as long as you're not a poor retard. Sigh. Oh please, your reading comprehension is better than this. I'm merely illustrating the absurdity of the argument that there's an undue burden on people getting IDs. What is appropriately due or undue for you is not the same as for everyone else in this country. You're right. But fortunately for us, courts agree with what I'm arguing.
Your argument was to ignore the elderly/ blacks/ Latinos/ legal immigrant issues with voter ID laws and to focus on calling poor people retarded imbeciles. I'm not sure which courts are fans of your selective attacks and pejorative vocabulary, but I could probably guess what states they're located in.
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On July 27 2016 03:37 Trainrunnef wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:34 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Some people are literally too poor to receive a voter ID, and some legal immigrants don't have the appropriate documentation yet to receive one. Some people have changed their names and there are issues obtaining a voter ID, and some people just get too held up in absurdly redundant paperwork. I wouldn't say that those groups are "imbeciles". Arguing that there's a high percentage of minorities who are unable to come up with $20-40 to get a driver's license (or other ID) is tantamount to arguing that minorities have a high incidence of being retarded. Having an ID is an essential component of being a functioning member of society. Making excuses for people not to get one accomplishes little more than ensuring the perpetuation of their poor circumstances. But hey, democrat policy has never been about raising these people up, has it? All that matters are the votes, right? So when you are on food stamps and other assistance, which is likely if you are poor... just saying... and your choice is between 20 bucks for an ID or 20 bucks for cereal or clothes, which one would you pick? Granted this is an extreme example, but I would argue that the vast majority of people we are discussing as part of this topic qualify as extreme examples.
Evidently finding $20 within four years is an impossible expense to be able to afford. It's not like it's merely 2.5 hours of minimum wage, or a very small fraction of a monthly unemployment check.
On July 27 2016 03:50 Madkipz wrote:
Voter ID? Forgive me for being European, but does a drivers licence count? is it really that hard or expensive to get a-hold of a passport? We have "voter ID" in Norway too. It's to bloody well prove you are who you say you are, and to prevent people from impersonating someone else so they can vote twice. it's not because of racism.
Both passports and driver's licenses are valid to prove identity (passports also prove "right to work" among other things). Also valid is a government-issued ID, which is like a driver's license but doesn't allow you to drive.
It's not hard to get any of them and there's a lot of people who take a "poor people have it so bad" argument to the extreme.
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On July 27 2016 03:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check I hope you're referring to xDaunt there, considering he's the one calling people imbeciles and retarded for wanting to exercise their constitutional right. 2nd Amendment: Right to bare arms. Constitutional right to own a gun, full stop, end of discussion. 15th Amendment: Right to vote. Constitutional right to vote as long as you're not a poor retard. Sigh. Sorry daunt isn't attacking someone based on their skin color, so no i wasn't. Actually, he was completely dismissing the previously-mentioned (by me and the link I posted) fact that blacks/ Latinos/ immigrants have a harder time obtaining a voter ID, so yes that's an issue too. He instead ignored all of those other issues and just focus on making fun of poor people, calling them retarded and imbeciles.
So are poor blacks and latinos unable to get the IDs because they're black and latinos or because they are poor? What about poor white people? Who's actually injecting race into the argument and why? Who's the actual racist?
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On July 27 2016 03:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:47 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:43 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check I hope you're referring to xDaunt there, considering he's the one calling people imbeciles and retarded for wanting to exercise their constitutional right. 2nd Amendment: Right to bare arms. Constitutional right to own a gun, full stop, end of discussion. 15th Amendment: Right to vote. Constitutional right to vote as long as you're not a poor retard. Sigh. Oh please, your reading comprehension is better than this. I'm merely illustrating the absurdity of the argument that there's an undue burden on people getting IDs. What is appropriately due or undue for you is not the same as for everyone else in this country. You're right. But fortunately for us, courts agree with what I'm arguing. Your argument was to ignore the elderly/ blacks/ Latinos/ legal immigrant issues with voter ID laws and to focus on calling poor people retarded imbeciles. I'm not sure which courts are fans of your selective attacks and pejorative vocabulary, but I could probably guess what states they're located in.
but when people post racism that supports your side it's perfectly fine right?
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On July 27 2016 03:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. 1) There was no racism in my post. You're still lazy and dishonest when it comes to posting. 2) You are the one supporting laws that will restrict people's ability to exercise their constitutional right to vote. Therefore the onus is on you to provide a justification for this. "Because it makes sense" is NOT a justification, and for the 8th time, "voter fraud" is a load of shit. So until you can come up with a justifiable reason to limit someone's constitutional right, you've got no point. You attacked him for 'white privilege' among other things as a means of dismissing him and silencing his ability to respond because he's 'white privileged' I don't support laws that restrict anyone's ability to vote. I think all citizens should have the right to vote. Continue flaming people and making shit up and calling me lazy and dishonest About the point that voter fraud doesn't exist, that's like saying 'I lock my door and no one breaks into my home. Therefore, why do I keep locking my door? I'm locking my door to prevent a crime that doesn't exist. I should just stop locking my door.' Stop fucking flaming people
No, it's actually more like "I've spend 30 years with a broken lock and nobody's ever broken in. It's going to cost me 500 bucks to get a locksmith. Should I do it?" Sometimes the answer is yes (there have been multiple robberies in your neighborhood) and sometimes the answer is no (nothing has changed), but it's not nearly that cut and dried.
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On July 27 2016 03:49 oBlade wrote:
Any kind of voter control would be better than what we have now.
I'm not sure what kind of voter control you think we currently have, but it's not like illegals are running rampant in voting booths and people are regularly voting multiple times or stealing identities lol
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On July 27 2016 03:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. 1) There was no racism in my post. You're still lazy and dishonest when it comes to posting. 2) You are the one supporting laws that will restrict people's ability to exercise their constitutional right to vote. Therefore the onus is on you to provide a justification for this. "Because it makes sense" is NOT a justification, and for the 8th time, "voter fraud" is a load of shit. So until you can come up with a justifiable reason to limit someone's constitutional right, you've got no point. You attacked him for 'white privilege' among other things as a means of dismissing him and silencing his ability to respond because he's 'white privileged' I don't support laws that restrict anyone's ability to vote. I think all citizens should have the right to vote. Continue flaming people and making shit up and calling me lazy and dishonest About the point that voter fraud doesn't exist, that's like saying 'I lock my door and no one breaks into my home. Therefore, why do I keep locking my door? I'm locking my door to prevent a crime that doesn't exist. I should just stop locking my door.'Stop fucking flaming people
Totally a false equivalence. You can see on the news that other people are getting robbed. You cannot, however, see on any medium that a significant amount of voter fraud is occurring. Unless both the GOP and DEMs are covering it up really well and fighting a stealth fight to stop each other with ninjas and magicians. In either case you would be damn sure that either party would have blown the whistle a long time ago if evidence existed.
EDIT: typo
EDIT2: Re post below. it does if they didn't already register. Who are you to decide when they can or cant vote. people move, people take vacations, people work, people have lives.
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On July 27 2016 03:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:43 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. No, the original claim was that Donald Trump wants to stop same-day voting registration (which does limit voting rights). It had nothing to do with voter ID. In fact he doesn't even endorse requiring an ID particularly, just a method to stop non-citizens from voting. How does that limit voting rights? You have months/years between elections to register to vote. Because it denies people the right to vote for no reason?
Requiring people register to vote before election day doesn't deny them the right to vote.
On July 27 2016 03:47 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:43 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. No, the original claim was that Donald Trump wants to stop same-day voting registration (which does limit voting rights). It had nothing to do with voter ID. In fact he doesn't even endorse requiring an ID particularly, just a method to stop non-citizens from voting. How does that limit voting rights? You have months/years between elections to register to vote. It's a policy that can directly deprive people who could otherwise vote of the right to vote. I don't see how that is anything other than a limitation.
If you can't bother to spend 15 minutes registering to vote in the years prior to an election, then that's you denying yourself.
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On July 27 2016 03:50 Madkipz wrote:
Voter ID? Forgive me for being European, but does a drivers licence count? is it really that hard or expensive to get a-hold of a passport? We have "voter ID" in Norway too. It's to bloody well prove you are who you say you are, and to prevent people from impersonating someone else so they can vote twice. it's not because of racism.
For our EU readers:
- Voter ID laws – Fine if done correct, with systems to assure that people can vote and provide documents later and challenge any ruling preventing them from voting.
- Voter ID laws written by the GOP – obey none of those rules and simply deny people the right to vote if they do not comply. Often offer cumbersome remedies and are designed to make people not want to vote because it is to much of a hassle.
Correctly written Voter ID laws are fine. The GOP doesn’t write those, they just want to repress the votes of minorities and poor people.
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On July 27 2016 03:48 zlefin wrote:
Ah, the hypocrisy of people pushing for more government regulation of something that's not an actual problem while oft complaining about their being needless and wasteful government regulation. (not sure which people this applies to as I'm not sure which people here complained about the latter)
Good point. It always makes me facepalm when I hear from Republicans that they're for smaller government/ keeping the government out of our business. Yeah, except for restricting marriage licenses, what women can do with their bodies, voting opportunities, the right to practice Islam or atheism, ensuring only science is taught in science class, etc.
At least Democrats are forthcoming with the idea that the federal government has a role to play in society.
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On July 27 2016 03:52 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:37 Trainrunnef wrote:On July 27 2016 03:34 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Some people are literally too poor to receive a voter ID, and some legal immigrants don't have the appropriate documentation yet to receive one. Some people have changed their names and there are issues obtaining a voter ID, and some people just get too held up in absurdly redundant paperwork. I wouldn't say that those groups are "imbeciles". Arguing that there's a high percentage of minorities who are unable to come up with $20-40 to get a driver's license (or other ID) is tantamount to arguing that minorities have a high incidence of being retarded. Having an ID is an essential component of being a functioning member of society. Making excuses for people not to get one accomplishes little more than ensuring the perpetuation of their poor circumstances. But hey, democrat policy has never been about raising these people up, has it? All that matters are the votes, right? So when you are on food stamps and other assistance, which is likely if you are poor... just saying... and your choice is between 20 bucks for an ID or 20 bucks for cereal or clothes, which one would you pick? Granted this is an extreme example, but I would argue that the vast majority of people we are discussing as part of this topic qualify as extreme examples. Evidently finding $20 within four years is an impossible expense to be able to afford. It's not like it's merely 2.5 hours of minimum wage, or a very small fraction of a monthly unemployment check. Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:50 Madkipz wrote:
Voter ID? Forgive me for being European, but does a drivers licence count? is it really that hard or expensive to get a-hold of a passport? We have "voter ID" in Norway too. It's to bloody well prove you are who you say you are, and to prevent people from impersonating someone else so they can vote twice. it's not because of racism. Both passports and driver's licenses are valid to prove identity (passports also prove "right to work" among other things). Also valid is a government-issued ID, which is like a driver's license but doesn't allow you to drive.
That's incorrect, passports do not establish voter identity because they do not include an address, which is a prerequisite for registration identity in all 50 states. Accordingly, federal IDs are not a valid form of voter ID in any state.
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On July 27 2016 03:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:46 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:43 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:
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Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. No, the original claim was that Donald Trump wants to stop same-day voting registration (which does limit voting rights). It had nothing to do with voter ID. In fact he doesn't even endorse requiring an ID particularly, just a method to stop non-citizens from voting. How does that limit voting rights? You have months/years between elections to register to vote. Because it denies people the right to vote for no reason? Requiring people register to vote before election day doesn't deny them the right to vote.
That isn’t a reason. You need a reason to deny someone the ability to vote. If they meet all the requirements to vote, the state must allow it.
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On July 27 2016 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:48 zlefin wrote:
Ah, the hypocrisy of people pushing for more government regulation of something that's not an actual problem while oft complaining about their being needless and wasteful government regulation. (not sure which people this applies to as I'm not sure which people here complained about the latter) Good point. It always makes me facepalm when I hear from Republicans that they're for smaller government/ keeping the government out of our business. Yeah, except for restricting marriage licenses, what women can do with their bodies, voting opportunities, the right to practice Islam or atheism, ensuring only science is taught in science class, etc. At least Democrats are forthcoming with the idea that the federal government has a role to play in society.
it always makes me facepalm when I see people complain about racism but then approve of any racism towards white people.
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On July 27 2016 03:49 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:
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Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check I hope you're referring to xDaunt there, considering he's the one calling people imbeciles and retarded for wanting to exercise their constitutional right. 2nd Amendment: Right to bare arms. Constitutional right to own a gun, full stop, end of discussion. 15th Amendment: Right to vote. Constitutional right to vote as long as you're not a poor retard. Sigh. Sorry daunt isn't attacking someone based on their skin color, so no i wasn't. Actually, he was completely dismissing the previously-mentioned (by me and the link I posted) fact that blacks/ Latinos/ immigrants have a harder time obtaining a voter ID, so yes that's an issue too. He instead ignored all of those other issues and just focus on making fun of poor people, calling them retarded and imbeciles. but when people post racism that supports your side it's perfectly fine right?
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On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID.
Last year I took a homeless veteran into my home while unfucking his life for him. He had very few documents, an expired ID from another state, a birth certificate and a social security card. That was it. One of the things he was meant to do for himself before coming was get an ID in his old state where he had been an undocumented resident for a decade. Honestly I didn't think it would be that hard but he seemed to insist it was.
The DMV is incapable of helping, don't even try. However when their functions are outsourced to private contractors who are paid to approve pretty much everything then it gets easier. So it's not so much that you can't get IDs but rather that they're behind a paywall. I then called up every organization that we needed and got them to give me their full chart of acceptable IDs, how many, which from which columns etc. What I ended up doing was signing a rental agreement for my couch with him and then using that + social security number + birth certificate to get him food stamps, the food stamps paperwork had his address on it which was used, along with birth certificate and the rental agreement to get an ID which I paid for at the pay place, the ID + food stamps paperwork + rental agreement was used for a credit union account and at that point he could then ditch the rental agreement and have an ID + official letterhead paperwork with an address (admittedly my address) on it. And once he had that stuff he was able to get his discharge papers from the DoD and get the VA healthcare which he'd been unable to get because he didn't have his DD214.
So, there were real obstacles in his path, both lack of money, lack of a vehicle to go on a tour of the city gaining documents and unhelpful organizations. However for someone with motivation, high intelligence and an assumption that the system would work for him if you just got to speak to the right people in the right organizations, it was actually pretty easy to go from undocumented to documented. I can see why he was unable to get the shit he needed but I know that if put in his position while retaining all the acquired advantages from my genes, background and social status I would have no real issues.
Some of column A, some of column B. Problems existed but could be overcome.
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On July 27 2016 03:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:46 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:43 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:
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Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. No, the original claim was that Donald Trump wants to stop same-day voting registration (which does limit voting rights). It had nothing to do with voter ID. In fact he doesn't even endorse requiring an ID particularly, just a method to stop non-citizens from voting. How does that limit voting rights? You have months/years between elections to register to vote. Because it denies people the right to vote for no reason? Requiring people register to vote before election day doesn't deny them the right to vote.
Actually, it denies every citizen that doesn't register the right to vote*. If you don't have the law, they can vote. If you do have the law, they can't. I'm not sure of any other way to describe what it does.
*unless you have provisional ballots in place which isn't "real" banning of same-day voting as far as I'm concerned.
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On July 27 2016 03:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. 1) There was no racism in my post. You're still lazy and dishonest when it comes to posting. 2) You are the one supporting laws that will restrict people's ability to exercise their constitutional right to vote. Therefore the onus is on you to provide a justification for this. "Because it makes sense" is NOT a justification, and for the 8th time, "voter fraud" is a load of shit. So until you can come up with a justifiable reason to limit someone's constitutional right, you've got no point. You attacked him for 'white privilege' among other things as a means of dismissing him and silencing his ability to respond because he's 'white privileged' I don't support laws that restrict anyone's ability to vote. I think all citizens should have the right to vote. Continue flaming people and making shit up and calling me lazy and dishonest About the point that voter fraud doesn't exist, that's like saying 'I lock my door and no one breaks into my home. Therefore, why do I keep locking my door? I'm locking my door to prevent a crime that doesn't exist. I should just stop locking my door.' Stop fucking flaming people
Oh man lmao. When someone is exercising their ignorance due to white privilege, and they're called out on it, that's not racism. Are you kidding me -.-'
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On July 27 2016 03:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:49 oBlade wrote:
Any kind of voter control would be better than what we have now. I'm not sure what kind of voter control you think we currently have, but it's not like illegals are running rampant in voting booths and people are regularly voting multiple times or stealing identities lol
I'm not saying it happens often, but anything we could do to stop it would be a good idea. It's too easy for people to vote. Uneducated people keep voting for the wrong candidates.
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On July 27 2016 03:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. 1) There was no racism in my post. You're still lazy and dishonest when it comes to posting. 2) You are the one supporting laws that will restrict people's ability to exercise their constitutional right to vote. Therefore the onus is on you to provide a justification for this. "Because it makes sense" is NOT a justification, and for the 8th time, "voter fraud" is a load of shit. So until you can come up with a justifiable reason to limit someone's constitutional right, you've got no point. You attacked him for 'white privilege' among other things as a means of dismissing him and silencing his ability to respond because he's 'white privileged' I don't support laws that restrict anyone's ability to vote. I think all citizens should have the right to vote. Continue flaming people and making shit up and calling me lazy and dishonest About the point that voter fraud doesn't exist, that's like saying 'I lock my door and no one breaks into my home. Therefore, why do I keep locking my door? I'm locking my door to prevent a crime that doesn't exist. I should just stop locking my door.' Stop fucking flaming people Oh man lmao. When someone is exercising their ignorance due to white privilege, and they're called out on it, that's not racism. Are you kidding me -.-'
this quote should be put in the tumblr hall of fame.
Next time I see a black person ill say due to them being uneducated, they are clearly exercising their ignorance due to black underprivilege. I'll make sure to call him out on it! definitely won't be racist as I now can see.
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