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On July 27 2016 03:41 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:35 biology]major wrote:On July 27 2016 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Some people are literally too poor to receive a voter ID, and some legal immigrants don't have the appropriate documentation yet to receive one. Some people have changed their names and there are issues obtaining a voter ID, and some people just get too held up in absurdly redundant paperwork. I wouldn't say that those groups are "imbeciles". I don't know shit about this topic, but how does someone vote if they are not a citizen? I had to register by filling out a few lines to get approved. What is "absurdly redundant paperwork", and if you are so poor you cannot even afford a ID then the election is the least of your worries. The amount of paperwork to get an ID is extremely state-dependent, and I'm pretty sure the hoops you have to jump through as a non-citizen when it comes to registration is also state-dependent (though I'm not positive on that). I think some(?) resident aliens in very specific situations can vote but it's probably a pain.
Registration is entirely state run, you are correct.
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On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years.
1) There was no racism in my post. You're still lazy and dishonest when it comes to posting.
2) You are the one supporting laws that will restrict people's ability to exercise their constitutional right to vote. Therefore the onus is on you to provide a justification for this. "Because it makes sense" is NOT a justification, and for the 8th time, "voter fraud" is a load of shit.
So until you can come up with a justifiable reason to limit someone's constitutional right, you've got no point.
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On July 27 2016 03:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check I hope you're referring to xDaunt there, considering he's the one calling people imbeciles and retarded for wanting to exercise their constitutional right. 2nd Amendment: Right to bare arms. Constitutional right to own a gun, full stop, end of discussion. 15th Amendment: Right to vote. Constitutional right to vote as long as you're not a poor retard. Sigh.
Oh please, your reading comprehension is better than this. I'm merely illustrating the absurdity of the argument that there's an undue burden on people getting IDs.
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On July 27 2016 03:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. 1) There was no racism in my post. You're still lazy and dishonest when it comes to posting. 2) You are the one supporting laws that will restrict people's ability to exercise their constitutional right to vote. Therefore the onus is on you to provide a justification for this. "Because it makes sense" is NOT a justification, and for the 8th time, "voter fraud" is a load of shit. So until you can come up with a justifiable reason to limit someone's constitutional right, you've got no point.
"assumes all white people are privileged"
"no racism"
what is this tumblr now? This thread is funny
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On July 27 2016 03:43 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check I hope you're referring to xDaunt there, considering he's the one calling people imbeciles and retarded for wanting to exercise their constitutional right. 2nd Amendment: Right to bare arms. Constitutional right to own a gun, full stop, end of discussion. 15th Amendment: Right to vote. Constitutional right to vote as long as you're not a poor retard. Sigh. Oh please, your reading comprehension is better than this. I'm merely illustrating the absurdity of the argument that there's an undue burden on people getting IDs.
It seems like instead you're illustrating that there's an undue burden on non-"productive members of society" and "imbeciles" which as far as I know also have constitutional rights.
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On July 27 2016 03:43 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check I hope you're referring to xDaunt there, considering he's the one calling people imbeciles and retarded for wanting to exercise their constitutional right. 2nd Amendment: Right to bare arms. Constitutional right to own a gun, full stop, end of discussion. 15th Amendment: Right to vote. Constitutional right to vote as long as you're not a poor retard. Sigh. Oh please, your reading comprehension is better than this. I'm merely illustrating the absurdity of the argument that there's an undue burden on people getting IDs.
What is appropriately due or undue for you is not the same as for everyone else in this country.
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On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry.
When I first tried to get a state ID in the US I was told that I needed to get my old ID translated. I asked her which language she would like my British driver's license translated into and she said English. I explained that the language that we use in England is English and that if she tried I'm sure that she could read the words. She indicated the ones that she was struggling with and I explained to her that those were, in fact, numbers. She told me I had to get them translated. I was subsequently just able to pay a private company to get me a drivers license because the DMV wouldn't do it after two visits.
The system doesn't work the way it should and while money acts a gatekeeper to getting things like the voter IDs they will remain problematic.
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On July 27 2016 03:43 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. No, the original claim was that Donald Trump wants to stop same-day voting registration (which does limit voting rights). It had nothing to do with voter ID. In fact he doesn't even endorse requiring an ID particularly, just a method to stop non-citizens from voting.
How does that limit voting rights? You have months/years between elections to register to vote.
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On July 27 2016 03:43 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check I hope you're referring to xDaunt there, considering he's the one calling people imbeciles and retarded for wanting to exercise their constitutional right. 2nd Amendment: Right to bare arms. Constitutional right to own a gun, full stop, end of discussion. 15th Amendment: Right to vote. Constitutional right to vote as long as you're not a poor retard. Sigh. Oh please, your reading comprehension is better than this. I'm merely illustrating the absurdity of the argument that there's an undue burden on people getting IDs.
Yes, but the GOP keeps passing laws that violate the rules set out to do it correctly. Which is the problem.
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On July 27 2016 03:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check I hope you're referring to xDaunt there, considering he's the one calling people imbeciles and retarded for wanting to exercise their constitutional right. 2nd Amendment: Right to bare arms. Constitutional right to own a gun, full stop, end of discussion. 15th Amendment: Right to vote. Constitutional right to vote as long as you're not a poor retard. Sigh.
Sorry daunt isn't attacking someone based on their skin color, so no i wasn't.
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On July 27 2016 03:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:43 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. No, the original claim was that Donald Trump wants to stop same-day voting registration (which does limit voting rights). It had nothing to do with voter ID. In fact he doesn't even endorse requiring an ID particularly, just a method to stop non-citizens from voting. How does that limit voting rights? You have months/years between elections to register to vote.
Because it denies people the right to vote for no reason?
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On July 27 2016 03:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:43 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. No, the original claim was that Donald Trump wants to stop same-day voting registration (which does limit voting rights). It had nothing to do with voter ID. In fact he doesn't even endorse requiring an ID particularly, just a method to stop non-citizens from voting. How does that limit voting rights? You have months/years between elections to register to vote.
It's a policy that can directly deprive people who could otherwise vote of the right to vote. I don't see how that is anything other than a limitation.
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On July 27 2016 03:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:43 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check I hope you're referring to xDaunt there, considering he's the one calling people imbeciles and retarded for wanting to exercise their constitutional right. 2nd Amendment: Right to bare arms. Constitutional right to own a gun, full stop, end of discussion. 15th Amendment: Right to vote. Constitutional right to vote as long as you're not a poor retard. Sigh. Oh please, your reading comprehension is better than this. I'm merely illustrating the absurdity of the argument that there's an undue burden on people getting IDs. What is appropriately due or undue for you is not the same as for everyone else in this country.
You're right. But fortunately for us, courts agree with what I'm arguing.
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On July 27 2016 03:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check I hope you're referring to xDaunt there, considering he's the one calling people imbeciles and retarded for wanting to exercise their constitutional right. 2nd Amendment: Right to bare arms. Constitutional right to own a gun, full stop, end of discussion. 15th Amendment: Right to vote. Constitutional right to vote as long as you're not a poor retard. Sigh. Sorry daunt isn't attacking someone based on their skin color, so no i wasn't.
Actually, he was completely dismissing the previously-mentioned (by me and the link I posted) fact that blacks/ Latinos/ immigrants have a harder time obtaining a voter ID, so yes that's an issue too. He instead ignored all of those other issues and just focus on making fun of poor people, calling them retarded and imbeciles.
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Ah, the hypocrisy of people pushing for more government regulation of something that's not an actual problem while oft complaining about their being needless and wasteful government regulation. (not sure which people this applies to as I'm not sure which people here complained about the latter)
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On July 27 2016 03:45 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:43 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check I hope you're referring to xDaunt there, considering he's the one calling people imbeciles and retarded for wanting to exercise their constitutional right. 2nd Amendment: Right to bare arms. Constitutional right to own a gun, full stop, end of discussion. 15th Amendment: Right to vote. Constitutional right to vote as long as you're not a poor retard. Sigh. Oh please, your reading comprehension is better than this. I'm merely illustrating the absurdity of the argument that there's an undue burden on people getting IDs. Yes, but the GOP keeps passing laws that violate the rules set out to do it correctly. Which is the problem.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! LET ME DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO AN ACTUALLY FAIR CRITICISM OF VOTER ID REQUIREMENTS!
Thank you for showing your liberal brethren how it's done, Plansix.
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Any kind of voter control would be better than what we have now.
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On July 27 2016 03:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check I hope you're referring to xDaunt there, considering he's the one calling people imbeciles and retarded for wanting to exercise their constitutional right. 2nd Amendment: Right to bare arms. Constitutional right to own a gun, full stop, end of discussion. 15th Amendment: Right to vote. Constitutional right to vote as long as you're not a poor retard. Sigh. Sorry daunt isn't attacking someone based on their skin color, so no i wasn't. Actually, he was completely dismissing the previously-mentioned (by me and the link I posted) fact that blacks/ Latinos/ immigrants have a harder time obtaining a voter ID, so yes that's an issue too. He instead ignored all of those other issues and just focus on making fun of poor people, calling them retarded and imbeciles.
but when people post racism that supports your side it's perfectly fine right?
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On July 27 2016 03:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote:
If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote:
For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling.
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. 1) There was no racism in my post. You're still lazy and dishonest when it comes to posting. 2) You are the one supporting laws that will restrict people's ability to exercise their constitutional right to vote. Therefore the onus is on you to provide a justification for this. "Because it makes sense" is NOT a justification, and for the 8th time, "voter fraud" is a load of shit. So until you can come up with a justifiable reason to limit someone's constitutional right, you've got no point.
You attacked him for 'white privilege' among other things as a means of dismissing him and silencing his ability to respond because he's 'white privileged'
I don't support laws that restrict anyone's ability to vote. I think all citizens should have the right to vote. Continue flaming people and making shit up and calling me lazy and dishonest
About the point that voter fraud doesn't exist, that's like saying 'I lock my door and no one breaks into my home. Therefore, why do I keep locking my door? I'm locking my door to prevent a crime that doesn't exist. I should just stop locking my door.'
Stop fucking flaming people
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