EPTWhich I think is pretty unlikely because it's a pretty big risk for them to try to register at all, same-day or not, and as far as I know isn't a documented (ehehe) problem.
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
Which I think is pretty unlikely because it's a pretty big risk for them to try to register at all, same-day or not, and as far as I know isn't a documented (ehehe) problem. | ||
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Introvert
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
He's using illegal immigrants as a way to justify something completely unrelated. Trump's entire argument is that we lose money and freedom to illegal immigrants. If we eliminate them, well find we have plenty of everything. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
State governments are in charge of providing voter IDs, and many states have a terrible track record with access to ID services (super long wait times, few offices, high fees, that sort of thing). Accordingly, a federal voter ID mandate without an accompanying crackdown on shitty state ID services is a great way to disenfranchise the poor, elderly, and others who are less likely to have a valid government ID. And like Mohdoo points out, there is no indication that illegal immigrants are voting in appreciable numbers, so conflating these issues is inappropriate. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Voter impersonation, the crime of voting for someone else, is a non-existent crime. It doesn't happen. The law requiring people to provide an ID is combating a crime that almost never happens. It also gives the people working the polling location the ability to deny people access, which can be abused. And most those ID laws have been struck down. And illegal immigrants are not a voting block as far as I know. On July 27 2016 03:09 Introvert wrote: If you get around the scaremongering, voter ID, as an idea, is very popular with all portions of the citizenry. Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On July 27 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote: Yes, but people also think you should be able to vote if you forgot your ID at home. Many of the laws do not allow for provisional ballets so the person can come back later with the correct document. And those specific laws have been struck down over and over. Then don't forget your ID | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22478 Posts
However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote: For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling. However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. it'd be nice if the issue could be addressed reasonably; instead of it mostly being pushed by partisans trying to disenfranchise people voting for the other side. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 27 2016 03:18 zlefin wrote: it'd be nice if the issue could be addressed reasonably; instead of it mostly being pushed by partisans trying to disenfranchise people voting for the other side. Good luck with that. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46229 Posts
It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote: For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling. However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Don't pass shitty laws that deny people rights without a remedy. If the law allows people to vote with a provisional ballot and allows for a large number of IDs, it's fine. But those laws are also not that effective at preventing minorities from voting, so the GOP doesn't pass them. And once again, voter impersonation isn't a crime that happens. It is a law to prevent a crime that hardly ever take place. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 27 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote: For what its worth I find the fact you can vote without an ID to be mind boggling. However, if you require people to ID themselves the states should also work to ensure that every adult has access to an ID, You cant have voter identification without easy access to ID. I've heard your sentiment from Europeans before, and this is the problem. Requiring ID to vote seems logical, but you also have to remember that the U.S. government (well, mostly the state governments) are actually atrocious at doing most things, particularly anything handling ID's/driver's licenses. Ask almost any American and you'll hear about how utterly horrendous the DMV is. ID's are actually quite hard to get, cost a decent chunk of money (over $20 in Minnesota to just get an ID card, which is a lot of money for the poor), and are in very inconvenient locations. They also frequently tell you that the documents that you have aren't valid and that you can't pay with a certain type of tender (I've seen various government centers turn down checks, credit/debit cards, and cash). I truly believe that the sheer incompetence of the average U.S. state government is a world wonder all on its own. It's utterly mind-blowing. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 27 2016 03:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: It's not about forgetting; it's about the trouble in obtaining one (see link below). And that is the issue! It's not merely that people are lazy or cheap. Here's an article on that, aptly titled "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." And that's why Republicans want to force these; to remove the vote of the poor, black, and Latino (as they tend to vote Democrat). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 27 2016 03:18 zlefin wrote: it'd be nice if the issue could be addressed reasonably; instead of it mostly being pushed by partisans trying to disenfranchise people voting for the other side. What is being addressed? No one commits voter fraud through voter impersonation. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/ 1 billion ballots, 31 cases. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote: With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. How about there is no real reason for it to exist? No elections results are being affected by voter impersonation. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote: With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one. And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On July 27 2016 03:01 Dan HH wrote: Have we reached the point where not fearmongering for one day is seen as a bad thing? You see it as not fear mongering, I see it as willful ignorance. Yeah the RNC was fear mongering, because that is a majority of their platform right now, but the DNC is on the other end of the spectrum and that in my opinion is much worse. Anyways there's a few days left and I guess they are very strict with the topics they adhere to. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46229 Posts
On July 27 2016 03:23 xDaunt wrote: With very few, situation/fact-specific exceptions, only imbeciles are unable to get IDs. Apologies for imbeciles is not exactly a good reason for not requiring voter ID. Some people are literally too poor to receive a voter ID, and some legal immigrants don't have the appropriate documentation yet to receive one. Some people have changed their names and there are issues obtaining a voter ID, and some people just get too held up in absurdly redundant paperwork. I wouldn't say that those groups are "imbeciles". | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 27 2016 03:27 biology]major wrote: You see it as not fear mongering, I see it as willful ignorance. Yeah the RNC was fear mongering, because that is a majority of their platform right now, but the DNC is on the other end of the spectrum and that in my opinion is much worse. Anyways there's a few days left and I guess they are very strict with the topics they adhere to. Or all of them are just not interested in filling the RNC quota of fear mongering over talking about policy. | ||
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