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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2016 17:41 GMT
#89621
Also, when do they distribute money raised pre-election season. Do they hand out the money during the primary season?
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
July 26 2016 17:42 GMT
#89622
On July 27 2016 02:33 Introvert wrote:
Minor quibble: please refer to Fox News as "Republican propaganda" not "conservative propaganda."
Thank you for understanding.

Naturally, you're also insisting that MSNBC is merely "Democratic propaganda" and not "liberal propaganda"?
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 26 2016 17:47 GMT
#89623
On July 27 2016 02:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 23:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 26 2016 23:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 23:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
come back to 300 posts and 150 of them are plansix shitposting lol

Do you have a job or are you paid to do this?


I understand that that's hyperbole, but do you think all he does is shitpost? If anything, plasmidghost was the shitposter, considering he was just trolling and pasting stupid Reddit one-liners (that's what he said he was doing, anyway)


GGtemplar and plansix are the main shitposters. It wasnt hyperbole. Plansix had about 150 of the 300 posts, ggtemplar probably like 75-90.

I felt like i was just reading them shitpost back and forth and everything else got drowned out.

if anyone thinks either of them wasn't shitposting, sorry but you're in an echo chamber


If you think I'm shitposting then report me instead of dedicating half a dozen posts to arguing about how many shitty posts I make

You're so hypocritical and pretentious it hurts


hey look another shitpost from you Good working proving my point
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45263 Posts
July 26 2016 17:49 GMT
#89624
On July 27 2016 02:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 02:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 26 2016 23:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 26 2016 23:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 23:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
come back to 300 posts and 150 of them are plansix shitposting lol

Do you have a job or are you paid to do this?


I understand that that's hyperbole, but do you think all he does is shitpost? If anything, plasmidghost was the shitposter, considering he was just trolling and pasting stupid Reddit one-liners (that's what he said he was doing, anyway)


GGtemplar and plansix are the main shitposters. It wasnt hyperbole. Plansix had about 150 of the 300 posts, ggtemplar probably like 75-90.

I felt like i was just reading them shitpost back and forth and everything else got drowned out.

if anyone thinks either of them wasn't shitposting, sorry but you're in an echo chamber


If you think I'm shitposting then report me instead of dedicating half a dozen posts to arguing about how many shitty posts I make

You're so hypocritical and pretentious it hurts


hey look another shitpost from you Good working proving my point


Please take it to PM.
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Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States599 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 17:52:01
July 26 2016 17:50 GMT
#89625
On July 26 2016 07:11 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 07:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 07:04 amazingxkcd wrote:
To me, you're either voting for hillary because you rather ignore the insurmountable corruption surrounding her and her clinton foundation, focusing on feelings or you vote for trump to fix said corruptions and remove her taint from DC


The idea that the token Hillary voter is appealing to emotion more than the token Trump voter is astounding to me. Trump and the RNC are 100% about fearmongering and hatemongering, whereas the Democratic message has been much more positive and optimistic. And what about the entire list of great reforms that I just posted, that Hillary and the Democrats support, that Trump and the Republicans don't?


and you're fearmongering with that list. Donald trump hasnt made claims to remove any of that,


I dont post too often, and I am digging up some old stuff from a few pages ago, but I can't not address this.

Here is the list again so that I can go point by point

On July 26 2016 06:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 06:53 Sermokala wrote:
I mean the thing that pisses me off is that I could vote for hillary is she said she was going to support and continue the policies that she supported and helped when bill clinton was in office. Everyone could come togeather and say "hey those days were really fucking good right lets get more of that yeah?" But instead theres nothing like that and we get this shitty campaign that no one has anything positive to say about hillary other then "not drumpf"


I like this list, personally:

[image loading]


On the EPA - Get rid of it
+ Show Spoiler +

Q: Would you cut departments?
TRUMP: Environmental Protection, what they do is a disgrace.ÿEvery week they come out with new regulations.
Q: Who's going to protect the environment?
TRUMP: We'll be fine with the environment. We can leave a little bit, but you can't destroy businesses.


Source: Fox News Sunday 2015 Coverage of 2016 presidential hopefuls , Oct 18, 2015


On Clear Water Act - Get rid of it
+ Show Spoiler +
CLEAN WATER RULE

Trump Would “Rescind” The Clean Water Rule. In a May 2016 speech to the North Dakota Petroleum Council, Trump
said that in his first 100 days in office, he would “rescind all the job-destroying Obama executive actions including the
Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the U.S. rule.” [Donald Trump Press Release, 5/26/16]

Donald Trump has repeatedly called for abolishing the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The EPA in charged with
executing and enforcing the Waters of the United States rule; if Trump eliminated the agency itself, the WOTUS rule
would go with it.
[Fox News Sunday, 10/18/15]
http://www.lcv.org/assets/docs/presidential-candidates-on-water.pdf


On Social Security/Medicaire - Depends on whether you ask him or the GOP, but he promises to try EDIT [to keep it as is]
+ Show Spoiler +

Despite the questioner calling it "soso" security with a funny accent, here is trumps answer.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/10/trump-dems-doing-nothing-with-social-security-i-dont-want-to-touch-it/

Trumps answer meanders a bit, but generally he insists that taxes will be cut, and social security fraud will be reduced, and the great economy will make social security sustainable. (at least thats the best I could get from this particular video). His tax plans have been criticized many times for not being feasible. (I wont bother posting links as this has been debated to death in the past.)

http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-adviser-says-hes-open-to-entitlement-program-changes-1462997756
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/05/12/trump_advisor_says_he_might_social_security_and_medicare.html

After the administration has been in place, then we will start to take a look at all of the programs, including entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare,” he said, according to the Wall Street Journal. “We’ll start taking a hard look at those to start seeing what we can do in a bipartisan way.” Clovis later explained that a Trump administration wouldn't start slicing and dicing immediately, “because we can’t predict the growth” from tax cuts. However, he added that, “We have to start taking a look not just at Medicare and Social Security but every program we have out there, because the budgetary discipline that we’ve shown over the last 84 years has been horrible.”



On Voter Rights - Reduce them
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-may-8-2016-n570111

CHUCK TODD:

--do you want to see the voting laws changed to make it easier to vote?

DONALD TRUMP:

I want to see voting laws so that people that are citizens can vote. Not so people that can walk off the street and can vote, or so that illegal immigrants can vote--

CHUCK TODD:

So you're not for same-day voter registration?

DONALD TRUMP:

No, no. I want to make the voting laws so that people that-- it doesn't make any difference how they do it. But I don't think people should sneak in through the cracks. You have to have -- And whether that's an ID or any way you want to do it. But you have to be a citizen to vote.


Is this a damning tell all about how he wants to specifically oppress certain voter groups... no, but we have seen how a simple sentiment like same day registration and early registration can have resounding effects in voting in certain places. (again this has been argued in this thread several times). The GOPs views on voting in general has been demonstrated with the recent voter ID laws that have thankfully been struck down in places like Texas as well.


On Food Stamps - Inconclusive
+ Show Spoiler +


The food stamp program was originally created as temporary assistance for families with momentary times of need. And it shouldn't be needed often. Thankfully, 96 percent of America's poor parents say their children never suffer even a day of hunger. But when half of food stamp recipients have been on the dole for nearly a decade, something is clearly wrong, and some of it has to do with fraud.

The really infuriating thing is that the Obama administration doesn't seem to care about how taxpayers are being shaken down by this outrageously mismanaged government program.

The blatant waste of taxpayers' dollars doesn't bother Obama, because it's all part of his broader nanny-state agenda. Perhaps that's why his administration doesn't give a rip about policing fraud or administering responsible oversight-he's buying votes.


Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p.113-114 , Dec 5, 2011

Whether he actually believes what is written in the book or if its someone else writing for him, I can only go by this as I haven't found much on his opinion of the program since. I dont know about anyone else who was ever on food stamps but when my family was on it we had to stay on it till my two older sisters finally graduated community college and could afford to help out around the house. I doubt that the vast majority on food stamps have the luxury of being on it temporarily, but I do know that there is a non trivial amount of fraud going on with the program. Either way there is not much to go on here.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Welfare_ _Poverty.htm



On minimum wage - Changes by the day
+ Show Spoiler +

5/4/16 - Raising minimum wage is ok
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/05/04/trump-looking-at-minimum-wage-im-very-different-from-most-republicans/

11/10/15 - Wages are too high
Q: Picketers have gathered demanding an immediate hike in the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Are you sympathetic to the protesters?
DONALD TRUMP: I can't be. We are a country that is being beaten on every front economically & militarily. There is nothing that we do now to win. We don't win anymore. [If our] wages are too high, we're not going to be able to compete against the world. I hate to say it, but we have to leave it the way it is. People have to work really hard and have to get into that upper stratum. But we can not do this if we are going to compete with the rest of the world. We just can't do it.
Q: So do not raise the minimum wage?
TRUMP: I would not do it.


Source: Fox Business/WSJ First Tier debate , Nov 10, 2015

11/11/2015 - Wages are too high
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/11/11/donald-trump-gop-debate-minimum-wage-sot-bb-vstan.fox-business


on Union rights - Get rid of it
+ Show Spoiler +

“Trump is trying to appeal to union workers, but how can he in good conscience try to help them with Pence on the ticket?” Salles asked. “Pence has opposed labor on every single issue that has come up, whether it’s helping unions organize, increasing the minimum wage, anything that has to do with unions, he’s been against.”


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288933-trumps-courtship-of-union-members-complicated-by-pence




In late March, the Republican Pence’s campaign bought $250,000 worth of ads supporting the repeal of common construction wage, with the governor saying the law “is outdated and costs Hoosier taxpayers millions in additional building costs.”

The Republican-controlled House passed the legislation before it was taken up by Pence allies in the Senate, which is expected to debate the measure Tuesday and take a final vote on it later in the week.


http://www.newsandtribune.com/news/unions-angry-republican-voters-rally-in-support-of-indiana-s/article_6b7d6f50-e22f-11e4-8c45-0f985956d088.html

These are not specifically his views but they are the views of the GOP ticket at this point.


On ACA - Get rid of it
+ Show Spoiler +


Congress must act. Our elected representatives in the House and Senate must:

Completely repeal Obamacare....
Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines....
Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system....
Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. ...
Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals....
Block-grant Medicaid to the states....
Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products.....

...providing healthcare to illegal immigrants costs us some $11 billion annually. If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve healthcare cost pressures on state and local governments


This is a summary of items on his approach to healthcare overhaul. There are some items that in the short term I can agree with and others which I totally don't, but i would rather see them get incorporated into ACA rather than get rid of it.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform



On Abortion - oh boy here we go
+ Show Spoiler +

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/03/donald-trumps-ever-shifting-positions-on-abortion/

So generally he was pro choice up until around 2011 then he switched teams and went pro life. since then his opinion on whether there are caveats like rape/incest etc. have been well documented including his snafu on the punishment of aborters.

but then this weird interview happened.

CBS releases an excerpt of its interview with Trump that aired Sunday morning. Asked again about abortion, Trump’s position seems to change yet again.

“The laws are set now on abortion and that’s the way they're going to remain until they’re changed,” he said, according to CBS’s transcript. “I would’ve preferred states’ rights. I think it would’ve been better if it were up to the states. But right now, the laws are set.... At this moment, the laws are set. And I think we have to leave it that way.”



On marriage equality - not for it despite recent language at the convention
+ Show Spoiler +


On June 26, 2015, following the Obergefell v. Hodges ruling, Trump tweeted, "Once again the Bush appointed Supreme Court Justice John Roberts has let us down. Jeb pushed him hard! Remember!"[12]

On the issue of gay marriage, Donald Trump said during a November 2013 interview on MSNBC, "I think I’m evolving, and I think I’m a very fair person, but I have been for traditional marriage. I am for traditional marriage, I am for a marriage between a man and a woman.”[13]

In a March 2011 interview with The Des Moines Register, Trump said gay couples should not be allowed to marry or receive the same benefits as married heterosexual couples.[14]

https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidential_candidates_on_gay_rights

And a wishy washy answer in an interview - "something something - states rights something" < - direct quote :/



Dept of Ed - Get rid of it
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/04/04/trump-department-of-education-can-be-largely-eliminated-maybe-want-to-have-a-little-bit-of-tentacles/

“First of all, we want to bring education back to Wisconsin, right? So, we end Common Core. And Department of Education can — I mean, the Department of Education is massive, and it can be largely eliminated. Now, you maybe want to have a little bit of tentacles out there, make sure everything, — but largely, we can eliminate the Department of Education.”



National Endowment of the Arts - needs to be controlled
+ Show Spoiler +


Trump, who released a statement to the Daily News—in reference to what the paper referred to only as “the Brooklyn Museum’s elephant-dung Madonna”—saying, “As president, I would ensure that the National Endowment of the Arts stops funding of this sort.” (The Daily News pointed out that the organization’s correct title is “National Endowment for the Arts,” and that the NEA did not give any funding to the Brooklyn Museum’s show that featured Ofili.) Regarding the Ofili, Trump continued: “It’s not art. It’s absolutely gross, degenerate stuff.” Note the word “degenerate.” There was, of course, another politician who used that adjective to describe works of art that offended him. (Trump, for what it’s worth, would later lob the word “degenerate” at Rosie O’Donnell.) ......

But as a citizen, Trump has had a more tangible effect on the NEA beyond his mere endorsement of slashing government funding for the arts. In 2013, when Trump took over the lease of the Old Post Office on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C., in order to build a 270-room hotel, among the occupants that were forced to vacate were the NEA and the National Endowment for the Humanities. (One of the potential leaseholders that lost their bid for the building to Trump was a National Museum of the Jewish People, according to the Post.) In a final bit of irony, James Lankford, a Republican senator from Oklahoma, claimed that Trump received a $40 million tax credit for his renovations of the building.


http://www.artnews.com/2016/04/04/absolutely-gross-degenerate-stuff-trump-and-the-arts/


I skipped a few because they were more about the GOP than trump himself from what i could find. Just please be aware of your supposed
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Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
July 26 2016 17:50 GMT
#89626
Stop targeting each other right now. If it's not related to the topic of the thread then take it to PMs. Be civil.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
July 26 2016 17:52 GMT
#89627
Excellent post, trainrunnef, thanks for putting that together
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45263 Posts
July 26 2016 17:52 GMT
#89628
On July 27 2016 02:50 Trainrunnef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 07:11 amazingxkcd wrote:
On July 26 2016 07:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 07:04 amazingxkcd wrote:
To me, you're either voting for hillary because you rather ignore the insurmountable corruption surrounding her and her clinton foundation, focusing on feelings or you vote for trump to fix said corruptions and remove her taint from DC


The idea that the token Hillary voter is appealing to emotion more than the token Trump voter is astounding to me. Trump and the RNC are 100% about fearmongering and hatemongering, whereas the Democratic message has been much more positive and optimistic. And what about the entire list of great reforms that I just posted, that Hillary and the Democrats support, that Trump and the Republicans don't?


and you're fearmongering with that list. Donald trump hasnt made claims to remove any of that,


I dont post too often, and I am digging up some old stuff from a few pages ago, but I can't not address this.

Here is the list again so that I can go point by point

Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 06:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 06:53 Sermokala wrote:
I mean the thing that pisses me off is that I could vote for hillary is she said she was going to support and continue the policies that she supported and helped when bill clinton was in office. Everyone could come togeather and say "hey those days were really fucking good right lets get more of that yeah?" But instead theres nothing like that and we get this shitty campaign that no one has anything positive to say about hillary other then "not drumpf"


I like this list, personally:

[image loading]


On the EPA - Get rid of it
+ Show Spoiler +

Q: Would you cut departments?
TRUMP: Environmental Protection, what they do is a disgrace.ÿEvery week they come out with new regulations.
Q: Who's going to protect the environment?
TRUMP: We'll be fine with the environment. We can leave a little bit, but you can't destroy businesses.


Source: Fox News Sunday 2015 Coverage of 2016 presidential hopefuls , Oct 18, 2015


On Clear Water Act - Get rid of it
+ Show Spoiler +
CLEAN WATER RULE

Trump Would “Rescind” The Clean Water Rule. In a May 2016 speech to the North Dakota Petroleum Council, Trump
said that in his first 100 days in office, he would “rescind all the job-destroying Obama executive actions including the
Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the U.S. rule.” [Donald Trump Press Release, 5/26/16]

Donald Trump has repeatedly called for abolishing the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The EPA in charged with
executing and enforcing the Waters of the United States rule; if Trump eliminated the agency itself, the WOTUS rule
would go with it.
[Fox News Sunday, 10/18/15]
http://www.lcv.org/assets/docs/presidential-candidates-on-water.pdf


On Social Security/Medicaire - Depends on whether you ask him or the GOP, but he promises to try EDIT [to keep it as is]
+ Show Spoiler +

Despite the questioner calling it "soso" security with a funny accent, here is trumps answer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-69XJF8aP0
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/10/trump-dems-doing-nothing-with-social-security-i-dont-want-to-touch-it/

Trumps answer meanders a bit, but generally he insists that taxes will be cut, and social security fraud will be reduced, and the great economy will make social security sustainable. (at least thats the best I could get from this particular video). His tax plans have been criticized many times for not being feasible. (I wont bother posting links as this has been debated to death in the past.)

http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-adviser-says-hes-open-to-entitlement-program-changes-1462997756
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/05/12/trump_advisor_says_he_might_social_security_and_medicare.html

After the administration has been in place, then we will start to take a look at all of the programs, including entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare,” he said, according to the Wall Street Journal. “We’ll start taking a hard look at those to start seeing what we can do in a bipartisan way.” Clovis later explained that a Trump administration wouldn't start slicing and dicing immediately, “because we can’t predict the growth” from tax cuts. However, he added that, “We have to start taking a look not just at Medicare and Social Security but every program we have out there, because the budgetary discipline that we’ve shown over the last 84 years has been horrible.”



On Voter Rights - Reduce them
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-may-8-2016-n570111

CHUCK TODD:

--do you want to see the voting laws changed to make it easier to vote?

DONALD TRUMP:

I want to see voting laws so that people that are citizens can vote. Not so people that can walk off the street and can vote, or so that illegal immigrants can vote--

CHUCK TODD:

So you're not for same-day voter registration?

DONALD TRUMP:

No, no. I want to make the voting laws so that people that-- it doesn't make any difference how they do it. But I don't think people should sneak in through the cracks. You have to have -- And whether that's an ID or any way you want to do it. But you have to be a citizen to vote.


Is this a damning tell all about how he wants to specifically oppress certain voter groups... no, but we have seen how a simple sentiment like same day registration and early registration can have resounding effects in voting in certain places. (again this has been argued in this thread several times). The GOPs views on voting in general has been demonstrated with the recent voter ID laws that have thankfully been struck down in places like Texas as well.


On Food Stamps - Inconclusive
+ Show Spoiler +


The food stamp program was originally created as temporary assistance for families with momentary times of need. And it shouldn't be needed often. Thankfully, 96 percent of America's poor parents say their children never suffer even a day of hunger. But when half of food stamp recipients have been on the dole for nearly a decade, something is clearly wrong, and some of it has to do with fraud.

The really infuriating thing is that the Obama administration doesn't seem to care about how taxpayers are being shaken down by this outrageously mismanaged government program.

The blatant waste of taxpayers' dollars doesn't bother Obama, because it's all part of his broader nanny-state agenda. Perhaps that's why his administration doesn't give a rip about policing fraud or administering responsible oversight-he's buying votes.


Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p.113-114 , Dec 5, 2011

Whether he actually believes what is written in the book or if its someone else writing for him, I can only go by this as I haven't found much on his opinion of the program since. I dont know about anyone else who was ever on food stamps but when my family was on it we had to stay on it till my two older sisters finally graduated community college and could afford to help out around the house. I doubt that the vast majority on food stamps have the luxury of being on it temporarily, but I do know that there is a non trivial amount of fraud going on with the program. Either way there is not much to go on here.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Welfare_ _Poverty.htm



On minimum wage - Changes by the day
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5/4/16 - Raising minimum wage is ok
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/05/04/trump-looking-at-minimum-wage-im-very-different-from-most-republicans/

11/10/15 - Wages are too high
Q: Picketers have gathered demanding an immediate hike in the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Are you sympathetic to the protesters?
DONALD TRUMP: I can't be. We are a country that is being beaten on every front economically & militarily. There is nothing that we do now to win. We don't win anymore. [If our] wages are too high, we're not going to be able to compete against the world. I hate to say it, but we have to leave it the way it is. People have to work really hard and have to get into that upper stratum. But we can not do this if we are going to compete with the rest of the world. We just can't do it.
Q: So do not raise the minimum wage?
TRUMP: I would not do it.


Source: Fox Business/WSJ First Tier debate , Nov 10, 2015

11/11/2015 - Wages are too high
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/11/11/donald-trump-gop-debate-minimum-wage-sot-bb-vstan.fox-business


on Union rights - Get rid of it
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“Trump is trying to appeal to union workers, but how can he in good conscience try to help them with Pence on the ticket?” Salles asked. “Pence has opposed labor on every single issue that has come up, whether it’s helping unions organize, increasing the minimum wage, anything that has to do with unions, he’s been against.”


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288933-trumps-courtship-of-union-members-complicated-by-pence




In late March, the Republican Pence’s campaign bought $250,000 worth of ads supporting the repeal of common construction wage, with the governor saying the law “is outdated and costs Hoosier taxpayers millions in additional building costs.”

The Republican-controlled House passed the legislation before it was taken up by Pence allies in the Senate, which is expected to debate the measure Tuesday and take a final vote on it later in the week.


http://www.newsandtribune.com/news/unions-angry-republican-voters-rally-in-support-of-indiana-s/article_6b7d6f50-e22f-11e4-8c45-0f985956d088.html

These are not specifically his views but they are the views of the GOP ticket at this point.


On ACA - Get rid of it
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Congress must act. Our elected representatives in the House and Senate must:

Completely repeal Obamacare....
Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines....
Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system....
Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. ...
Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals....
Block-grant Medicaid to the states....
Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products.....

...providing healthcare to illegal immigrants costs us some $11 billion annually. If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve healthcare cost pressures on state and local governments


This is a summary of items on his approach to healthcare overhaul. There are some items that in the short term I can agree with and others which I totally don't, but i would rather see them get incorporated into ACA rather than get rid of it.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform



On Abortion - oh boy here we go
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/03/donald-trumps-ever-shifting-positions-on-abortion/

So generally he was pro choice up until around 2011 then he switched teams and went pro life. since then his opinion on whether there are caveats like rape/incest etc. have been well documented including his snafu on the punishment of aborters.

but then this weird interview happened.

CBS releases an excerpt of its interview with Trump that aired Sunday morning. Asked again about abortion, Trump’s position seems to change yet again.

“The laws are set now on abortion and that’s the way they're going to remain until they’re changed,” he said, according to CBS’s transcript. “I would’ve preferred states’ rights. I think it would’ve been better if it were up to the states. But right now, the laws are set.... At this moment, the laws are set. And I think we have to leave it that way.”



On marriage equality - not for it despite recent language at the convention
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On June 26, 2015, following the Obergefell v. Hodges ruling, Trump tweeted, "Once again the Bush appointed Supreme Court Justice John Roberts has let us down. Jeb pushed him hard! Remember!"[12]

On the issue of gay marriage, Donald Trump said during a November 2013 interview on MSNBC, "I think I’m evolving, and I think I’m a very fair person, but I have been for traditional marriage. I am for traditional marriage, I am for a marriage between a man and a woman.”[13]

In a March 2011 interview with The Des Moines Register, Trump said gay couples should not be allowed to marry or receive the same benefits as married heterosexual couples.[14]

https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidential_candidates_on_gay_rights

And a wishy washy answer in an interview - "something something - states rights something" < - direct quote :/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSmxd7X9X2s


Dept of Ed - Get rid of it
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http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/04/04/trump-department-of-education-can-be-largely-eliminated-maybe-want-to-have-a-little-bit-of-tentacles/

“First of all, we want to bring education back to Wisconsin, right? So, we end Common Core. And Department of Education can — I mean, the Department of Education is massive, and it can be largely eliminated. Now, you maybe want to have a little bit of tentacles out there, make sure everything, — but largely, we can eliminate the Department of Education.”



National Endowment of the Arts - needs to be controlled
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Trump, who released a statement to the Daily News—in reference to what the paper referred to only as “the Brooklyn Museum’s elephant-dung Madonna”—saying, “As president, I would ensure that the National Endowment of the Arts stops funding of this sort.” (The Daily News pointed out that the organization’s correct title is “National Endowment for the Arts,” and that the NEA did not give any funding to the Brooklyn Museum’s show that featured Ofili.) Regarding the Ofili, Trump continued: “It’s not art. It’s absolutely gross, degenerate stuff.” Note the word “degenerate.” There was, of course, another politician who used that adjective to describe works of art that offended him. (Trump, for what it’s worth, would later lob the word “degenerate” at Rosie O’Donnell.) ......

But as a citizen, Trump has had a more tangible effect on the NEA beyond his mere endorsement of slashing government funding for the arts. In 2013, when Trump took over the lease of the Old Post Office on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C., in order to build a 270-room hotel, among the occupants that were forced to vacate were the NEA and the National Endowment for the Humanities. (One of the potential leaseholders that lost their bid for the building to Trump was a National Museum of the Jewish People, according to the Post.) In a final bit of irony, James Lankford, a Republican senator from Oklahoma, claimed that Trump received a $40 million tax credit for his renovations of the building.


http://www.artnews.com/2016/04/04/absolutely-gross-degenerate-stuff-trump-and-the-arts/


I skipped a few because they were more about the GOP than trump himself from what i could find. Just please be aware of your supposed


Excellent Thank you for that.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 17:54:18
July 26 2016 17:53 GMT
#89629
On July 27 2016 02:42 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 02:33 Introvert wrote:
Minor quibble: please refer to Fox News as "Republican propaganda" not "conservative propaganda."
Thank you for understanding.

Naturally, you're also insisting that MSNBC is merely "Democratic propaganda" and not "liberal propaganda"?


Depends. Is MSNBC doing for Democrats what Fox is doing for Republicans? Or are they more devoted to an ideology? I don't watch so I won't pass judgment.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 26 2016 17:54 GMT
#89630
Trump hammering the dems for not mentioning ISIS, Terrorism, Terror, Islam even once on opening day.

The Republican National Committee said speakers at the Democratic National Convention made "zero mentions of the global terrorist threat posed by ISIS." While Clinton took the opportunity to bring up the topic at an appearance in Charlotte on the same day, the email accurately reflects what was said -- or more precisely, not said -- from the podium in Philadelphia. We rate the statement True.


politifact
Question.?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
July 26 2016 17:56 GMT
#89631
On July 27 2016 02:54 biology]major wrote:
Trump hammering the dems for not mentioning ISIS, Terrorism, Terror, Islam even once on opening day.

Show nested quote +
The Republican National Committee said speakers at the Democratic National Convention made "zero mentions of the global terrorist threat posed by ISIS." While Clinton took the opportunity to bring up the topic at an appearance in Charlotte on the same day, the email accurately reflects what was said -- or more precisely, not said -- from the podium in Philadelphia. We rate the statement True.


politifact

It's almost like ISIS doesn't need to be a key topic in every single speech. It's not like Clinton won't bring it up. She's a hawk and she's gonna tell everyone how fucked ISIS is.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 17:58:36
July 26 2016 17:57 GMT
#89632
Because they need to talk about it every single day. ISIS is a problem that needs to be addressed, but maybe it doesn't need a section all 4 days of the convention. But it is like Trump to focus on fear over policy.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
July 26 2016 17:58 GMT
#89633
I'm hearing that Hillary is in direct talks with Sanders relative to Sanders taking on a greater role at the convention.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45263 Posts
July 26 2016 17:58 GMT
#89634
On July 27 2016 02:54 biology]major wrote:
Trump hammering the dems for not mentioning ISIS, Terrorism, Terror, Islam even once on opening day.

Show nested quote +
The Republican National Committee said speakers at the Democratic National Convention made "zero mentions of the global terrorist threat posed by ISIS." While Clinton took the opportunity to bring up the topic at an appearance in Charlotte on the same day, the email accurately reflects what was said -- or more precisely, not said -- from the podium in Philadelphia. We rate the statement True.


politifact


Stop the presses! We're officially able to rate something Trump has said as True!

There's still 3 more days for the DNC to cover a slew of topics. It's okay
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22083 Posts
July 26 2016 18:01 GMT
#89635
On July 27 2016 02:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Now the question is when she was doing paid speeches did she already know she was running for President and gathering money, or worse did the companies know. Now way to prove in court but still.

Does it matter?
Back in 2012 half the world knew Hillary was likely to run again in 2016. Is every speech she made since then a secret fundraiser?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9170 Posts
July 26 2016 18:01 GMT
#89636
On July 27 2016 02:54 biology]major wrote:
Trump hammering the dems for not mentioning ISIS, Terrorism, Terror, Islam even once on opening day.

Show nested quote +
The Republican National Committee said speakers at the Democratic National Convention made "zero mentions of the global terrorist threat posed by ISIS." While Clinton took the opportunity to bring up the topic at an appearance in Charlotte on the same day, the email accurately reflects what was said -- or more precisely, not said -- from the podium in Philadelphia. We rate the statement True.


politifact

Have we reached the point where not fearmongering for one day is seen as a bad thing?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 18:04:01
July 26 2016 18:02 GMT
#89637
On July 27 2016 02:50 Trainrunnef wrote:

On Voter Rights - Reduce them
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http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-may-8-2016-n570111

CHUCK TODD:

--do you want to see the voting laws changed to make it easier to vote?

DONALD TRUMP:

I want to see voting laws so that people that are citizens can vote. Not so people that can walk off the street and can vote, or so that illegal immigrants can vote--

CHUCK TODD:

So you're not for same-day voter registration?

DONALD TRUMP:

No, no. I want to make the voting laws so that people that-- it doesn't make any difference how they do it. But I don't think people should sneak in through the cracks. You have to have -- And whether that's an ID or any way you want to do it. But you have to be a citizen to vote.


Is this a damning tell all about how he wants to specifically oppress certain voter groups... no, but we have seen how a simple sentiment like same day registration and early registration can have resounding effects in voting in certain places. (again this has been argued in this thread several times). The GOPs views on voting in general has been demonstrated with the recent voter ID laws that have thankfully been struck down in places like Texas as well.



This isn't 'anti-voter rights' at all. If you're a citizen you have the right to vote.

What's wrong with what he's proposing here?

Who can't be bothered to register to vote beforehand? You literally have months to get it done.

Maybe I'm just used to it in the military you always have to have your ID with and on you at all times so it just seems like common sense that you would need to prove you're a citizen to vote in a country with millions of illegals.

Honest question for the people who are troubled by this - why is it problematic?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22083 Posts
July 26 2016 18:03 GMT
#89638
On July 27 2016 02:58 farvacola wrote:
I'm hearing that Hillary is in direct talks with Sanders relative to Sanders taking on a greater role at the convention.

Pointless.
God himself could come down to tell the Berniebro's to settle down and they wouldn't listen.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45263 Posts
July 26 2016 18:03 GMT
#89639
On July 27 2016 03:01 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 02:54 biology]major wrote:
Trump hammering the dems for not mentioning ISIS, Terrorism, Terror, Islam even once on opening day.

The Republican National Committee said speakers at the Democratic National Convention made "zero mentions of the global terrorist threat posed by ISIS." While Clinton took the opportunity to bring up the topic at an appearance in Charlotte on the same day, the email accurately reflects what was said -- or more precisely, not said -- from the podium in Philadelphia. We rate the statement True.


politifact

Have we reached the point where not fearmongering for one day is seen as a bad thing?


The Republican party would think yes, as shown by the RNC.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9275 Posts
July 26 2016 18:04 GMT
#89640
CHUCK TODD:

--do you want to see the voting laws changed to make it easier to vote?

DONALD TRUMP:

I want to see voting laws so that people that are citizens can vote. Not so people that can walk off the street and can vote, or so that illegal immigrants can vote--

CHUCK TODD:

So you're not for same-day voter registration?

DONALD TRUMP:

No, no. I want to make the voting laws so that people that-- it doesn't make any difference how they do it. But I don't think people should sneak in through the cracks. You have to have -- And whether that's an ID or any way you want to do it. But you have to be a citizen to vote.


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