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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 31 2015 14:52 GMT
#54081
On December 31 2015 14:55 IgnE wrote:
Pretty sure anyone that's traveled around Europe thinks British people are way worse than Americans.

Aussies were always my favorite people to hang around when traveling abroad. Texans were a close second.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 31 2015 20:58 GMT
#54082
Ben Carson's campaign manager and a number of top aides resigned on Thursday, throwing the retired neurosurgeon's presidential run into turmoil as a controversial general prepares to lead the campaign's comeback effort.

Campaign manager Barry Bennett and communications director Doug Watts both resigned, effective immediately, after weeks of speculation about a shakeup. Carson last week indicated such a move, saying that "everything" was "on the table" as far as changes with his campaign, though he later walked that back and said, “I think the people that I have are spectacular.” Bennett told POLITICO that a slew of other senior operatives had stepped down, too, from the campaign's general counsel to its controller.

Armstrong Williams, a close Carson confidant, told POLITICO that Robert Dees, a Carson advisor and retired Army general, will now chair the campaign, filling a leadership role that's been vacant for months. "General Dees is going to run the organization," Williams said.

It's unclear who will fill Bennett's post as campaign manager, handling the daily staff operation, but early reports indicated that the duty could fall to Ed Brookover, a veteran campaign strategist. "Brookover’s a good guy," Williams said. "Very responsive, people like him ... You have no idea what General Dees is going to ask of Brookover or anybody else."

Williams said Dees would bring more than foreign policy heft to Carson's campaign leadership. "This guy has managed many operations around the world. He’s managed people. He knows how to lead," he said.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24142 Posts
December 31 2015 21:39 GMT
#54083
On January 01 2016 05:58 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Ben Carson's campaign manager and a number of top aides resigned on Thursday, throwing the retired neurosurgeon's presidential run into turmoil as a controversial general prepares to lead the campaign's comeback effort.

Campaign manager Barry Bennett and communications director Doug Watts both resigned, effective immediately, after weeks of speculation about a shakeup. Carson last week indicated such a move, saying that "everything" was "on the table" as far as changes with his campaign, though he later walked that back and said, “I think the people that I have are spectacular.” Bennett told POLITICO that a slew of other senior operatives had stepped down, too, from the campaign's general counsel to its controller.

Armstrong Williams, a close Carson confidant, told POLITICO that Robert Dees, a Carson advisor and retired Army general, will now chair the campaign, filling a leadership role that's been vacant for months. "General Dees is going to run the organization," Williams said.

It's unclear who will fill Bennett's post as campaign manager, handling the daily staff operation, but early reports indicated that the duty could fall to Ed Brookover, a veteran campaign strategist. "Brookover’s a good guy," Williams said. "Very responsive, people like him ... You have no idea what General Dees is going to ask of Brookover or anybody else."

Williams said Dees would bring more than foreign policy heft to Carson's campaign leadership. "This guy has managed many operations around the world. He’s managed people. He knows how to lead," he said.


Source


Ben Carson and his supporters got straight up fleeced by Carson's campaign team.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 31 2015 22:07 GMT
#54084
Could you elaborate?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24142 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-31 22:17:19
December 31 2015 22:17 GMT
#54085
On January 01 2016 07:07 IgnE wrote:
Could you elaborate?


Spending top dollar on fundraising has enabled the campaign to assemble a list of more than two million donors from whom it raises between $200,000 and $350,000 per day, a campaign spokesman said.

In all, Mr. Carson directed $11 million of the $14 million he spent in the third quarter to fundraising costs.


Source

His "campaign" was almost exclusively a for profit endeavor to sell books and pocket fundraising money He had the same chance of being president as Herman Cain.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 31 2015 22:26 GMT
#54086
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
January 01 2016 07:00 GMT
#54087
On December 31 2015 18:18 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2015 15:34 Deathstar wrote:
On December 31 2015 12:54 cLutZ wrote:
On December 31 2015 12:39 Slaughter wrote:
The US has had more practice at race relations and immigration but we are still pretty terrible at it. I can't comment how EU countries do at it.


To paraphrase Churchill: America is the worst at peacefully assimilating immigrants, except for every other country that has tried from time to time.


Exactly. I dont know if Churchill actually said such a thing but it's true. We are the best destination for immigrants bar none.

Not that I've ever lived there but Canada seems like a better place.


Well for an anecdote, I have spent 8 years in the US. And 6 months in Canada, I like Canada. I also earn about 30 percent less than i did in the US and have a smaller market to use my education in. But it kinda feels worth it.
Shin_Gouki
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States313 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-01 07:45:07
January 01 2016 07:44 GMT
#54088
Just figure I'd stop by and show this monstrosity here. It's rather interesting how people have been clashing lately. I wonder if it's related to the potential candidates of this election or if this has always been present and I haven't been paying attention.

+ Show Spoiler +
Death comes in many forms
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24142 Posts
January 01 2016 08:28 GMT
#54089
On January 01 2016 16:44 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Just figure I'd stop by and show this monstrosity here. It's rather interesting how people have been clashing lately. I wonder if it's related to the potential candidates of this election or if this has always been present and I haven't been paying attention.

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrY1XltlRWg


You haven't been paying attention. I've seen worse from "good" cops. Though Trump is certainly making people feel more comfortable expressing it in public (or on video where it ends up on youtube).

The comment section of any right leaning news source story with a non-republican black person in it is a good sample of the folks were talking about.

Pretty much anywhere white people interact with black people on the internet you can find the same racist gibberish. In RL most racists just avoid black folks (notice he said he was ~the 10th black person he had seen in his whole life) because most of them don't have the guts to say that shit to anyone's face (unless they are much smaller than the bully).

You notice even this guy couldn't say it like he does when he's typing out that kind of hate on the internet. He sounded like a child swearing in front of his parents for the first time, like any moment he would get his ass stomped like the cowardly shitbag he is.

At least he'll have lots of time to think about it since he won't be going back to work any time soon.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
January 01 2016 12:02 GMT
#54090
On January 01 2016 16:44 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Just figure I'd stop by and show this monstrosity here. It's rather interesting how people have been clashing lately. I wonder if it's related to the potential candidates of this election or if this has always been present and I haven't been paying attention.

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrY1XltlRWg

What the hell, this guy needs to be hit back to reason and love. I couldn't stay idle to such racism, but again since it's the US you can't do anything because of the risk of taking a bullet.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 01 2016 15:27 GMT
#54091
President Barack Obama will meet on Monday with attorney general Loretta Lynch to discuss executive actions he could take to make it harder for “a dangerous few” to get their hands on guns.

Obama said on his weekly radio address that he gets so many letters from parents, teachers and children about the “epidemic of gun violence” that he can’t “sit around and do nothing”.

“The gun lobby is loud and well organized in its defense of effortlessly available guns for anyone,” Obama said. “The rest of us are going to have to be just as passionate and well organized in our defense of our kids.”

Obama recently directed staff at the White House to look into potential executive actions, such as expanding background checks.

Currently, federally licensed firearms dealers are required to seek background checks on potential firearm purchasers. But advocacy groups say some of the people who sell firearms at gun shows are not federally licensed, increasing the chance of sales to customers prohibited by law from purchasing guns.

A source familiar with the administration’s efforts said Obama is expected to take executive action next week that would set a “reasonable threshold” for when sellers have to seek a background check. That person didn’t know whether it would be based on the number of guns sold or revenue generated through gun sales.

The source, a member of a gun control advocacy group, was not authorized to discuss details before the announcement and spoke on condition of anonymity. White House officials won’t confirm the timing.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
January 01 2016 16:45 GMT
#54092
On January 01 2016 21:02 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2016 16:44 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Just figure I'd stop by and show this monstrosity here. It's rather interesting how people have been clashing lately. I wonder if it's related to the potential candidates of this election or if this has always been present and I haven't been paying attention.

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrY1XltlRWg

What the hell, this guy needs to be hit back to reason and love. I couldn't stay idle to such racism, but again since it's the US you can't do anything because of the risk of taking a bullet.

I think it's important to contextualize the entire thing. He's standing in front of a bunch of people he sees as significantly lesser than himself. Whether or not he sees all black people in that category isn't that important. The important thing is that he labels a bunch of people he knows little-to-nothing about as worthless. Beyond that, it's all just troll-speak he's using to get a rise out of the people around him.

He should have gotten "hit back to reason and love" regardless of his "racism."
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-01 17:01:05
January 01 2016 16:55 GMT
#54093
On January 02 2016 01:45 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2016 21:02 WhiteDog wrote:
On January 01 2016 16:44 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Just figure I'd stop by and show this monstrosity here. It's rather interesting how people have been clashing lately. I wonder if it's related to the potential candidates of this election or if this has always been present and I haven't been paying attention.

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrY1XltlRWg

What the hell, this guy needs to be hit back to reason and love. I couldn't stay idle to such racism, but again since it's the US you can't do anything because of the risk of taking a bullet.

I think it's important to contextualize the entire thing. He's standing in front of a bunch of people he sees as significantly lesser than himself. Whether or not he sees all black people in that category isn't that important. The important thing is that he labels a bunch of people he knows little-to-nothing about as worthless. Beyond that, it's all just troll-speak he's using to get a rise out of the people around him.

He should have gotten "hit back to reason and love" regardless of his "racism."

I personally disagree. I don't see any problem with him believing those people are protesting for a bad reason and saying they are "lazy fucking hippies" or something alike, even if it take the form of an insult, it is a judgement I can respect even if I disagreed with or if it's wrong. It is just stupid, that's it.
I cannot respect someone saying to another guy he is an ape and a negro or whatever.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
January 01 2016 17:15 GMT
#54094
On January 02 2016 01:55 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 01:45 aksfjh wrote:
On January 01 2016 21:02 WhiteDog wrote:
On January 01 2016 16:44 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Just figure I'd stop by and show this monstrosity here. It's rather interesting how people have been clashing lately. I wonder if it's related to the potential candidates of this election or if this has always been present and I haven't been paying attention.

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrY1XltlRWg

What the hell, this guy needs to be hit back to reason and love. I couldn't stay idle to such racism, but again since it's the US you can't do anything because of the risk of taking a bullet.

I think it's important to contextualize the entire thing. He's standing in front of a bunch of people he sees as significantly lesser than himself. Whether or not he sees all black people in that category isn't that important. The important thing is that he labels a bunch of people he knows little-to-nothing about as worthless. Beyond that, it's all just troll-speak he's using to get a rise out of the people around him.

He should have gotten "hit back to reason and love" regardless of his "racism."

I personally disagree. I don't see any problem with him believing those people are protesting for a bad reason and saying they are "lazy fucking hippies" or something alike, even if it take the form of an insult, it is a judgement I can respect even if I disagreed with or if it's wrong. It is just stupid, that's it.
I cannot respect someone saying to another guy he is an ape and a negro or whatever.

Is negro considered offensive now? I always thought that negro was the more polite term?
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
January 01 2016 17:23 GMT
#54095
I'm pretty sure that ended with Malcolm X
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-01 17:30:34
January 01 2016 17:30 GMT
#54096
On January 02 2016 02:23 Nyxisto wrote:
I'm pretty sure that ended with Malcolm X

Okay. I realized the usage dropped, but didn't realize that was because people thought it was offensive. So is black the only accepted term at this time?

Edit:
African American?
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
January 01 2016 17:45 GMT
#54097
On January 02 2016 02:30 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 02:23 Nyxisto wrote:
I'm pretty sure that ended with Malcolm X

Okay. I realized the usage dropped, but didn't realize that was because people thought it was offensive. So is black the only accepted term at this time?

Edit:
African American?


Just call them as you want, the whole discussion is pointless. People wanted to ban the word 'nigger' from Twain's work, this makes you understand how ridicolous the whole issue has become.
I personally would not care at all if I were called white, milky, paleskin or whatever you can think about
Dating thread on TL LUL
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-01 17:49:27
January 01 2016 17:49 GMT
#54098
Whether we should be allowed to change art is a very different discussion than whether you should respect other people and social norms. If you're older than fifteen the latter is usually a good idea.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
January 01 2016 17:51 GMT
#54099
On January 02 2016 02:45 SoSexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 02:30 Chewbacca. wrote:
On January 02 2016 02:23 Nyxisto wrote:
I'm pretty sure that ended with Malcolm X

Okay. I realized the usage dropped, but didn't realize that was because people thought it was offensive. So is black the only accepted term at this time?

Edit:
African American?


Just call them as you want, the whole discussion is pointless. People wanted to ban the word 'nigger' from Twain's work, this makes you understand how ridicolous the whole issue has become.
I personally would not care at all if I were called white, milky, paleskin or whatever you can think about

So a stranger comes to you and call you white, paleskin or something else, and not man or mister, and you think it's not fishy ?
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-01 17:59:06
January 01 2016 17:58 GMT
#54100
On January 02 2016 02:45 SoSexy wrote:
I personally would not care at all if I were called white, milky, paleskin or whatever you can think about


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