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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11735 Posts
January 02 2016 10:44 GMT
#54121
Yeah, to me that video looked like the asshole wanted to bait the protestors into either attacking him physically, or starting to insult him, at which point he could have either felt validated or get his news story/twitter post with a narrative about how the evil lazy muslim n***** protestors attacked him totally unprovoked just because he is a good american with a job.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22072 Posts
January 02 2016 11:11 GMT
#54122
On January 02 2016 11:17 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 08:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 02 2016 07:53 Deathstar wrote:
On January 02 2016 06:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
Personally I prefer black, I'm no more connected with Africa than all the white folks here courtesy of the genocide of "African American" culture in the US (slavery and such).

M4ini is right though, it's not contradictory either as he is passing on a common sentiment among black folks and POC in general.

Pretty much everyone here needs more black people in their lives if they are going to opine on this type of stuff. I can't believe we're still not even sure whether "negro" is an offensive term or not...(it is , unless you're native Spanish speaker)

Hell pretty sure this forum had to argue whether "Nigger" was racist because some people think being an idiot is a get out of racism free card.

Jonny didn't even get a warning when he was clearly trying to insinuate I was a "monkey" either, so I can't really be surprised by it around here any more.


Anyway since I mentioned "good" cops recently...

Texas ‘Cop of the Year’ exposed as member of Mexico’s most dangerous cartel

Caught on video illegally selling assault rifles and sensitive information to undercover informants, a former officer of the year has also been accused of secretly working for Los Zetas cartel in a drug trafficking conspiracy in operation since 2006.

In April, videos surfaced of Juarez illegally selling firearms and sensitive information to government informants posing as major drug traffickers. In March 2011, a hidden camera recorded Juarez selling assault rifles to an informant. A second video recorded in July 2011 revealed Juarez running license plates through the Houston Police Department (HPD) database for an undercover informant who told the cop that the plate numbers belonged to people who owed him $800,000 in drug money.


Source


This is a different scenario. This cop (ethnic Mexican) is in league with Mexican cartels, which has to do with Mexico's drug war.

The whole result of the war on drugs is unfortunate. Marijuana legalization seems to already having impacts for marijuana farmers, in the form of falling profits. Marijuana will probably increase in the US, but that's not the concern.
http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-marijuana-20151230-story.html

Legalization of drugs such as heroin and amphetamines is unpalatable for me. I hope eventual marijuana legalization will have big enough of an impact to bring this drug war under control.



Sorry if I wasn't clear, the point wasn't an ethnic one, it was about how "good" cops or in this case "officer of the year" can be some of the worst cops on the force. Police departments across the country are so corrupt it's ridiculous that everyone isn't demanding they get massively reformed.


GH you need to relax your rhetoric lol. There are over 12,000 local police departments and over 700,000 police officers. This country would be in chaos if bad cops were rampant. Law enforcement is a human endeavor and human endeavors are flawed. If you have a personal problem you are better off being an activist in your local district. However most people will go through their lives and will never have an issue with the police aside from tickets.

While I agree that GH can come on to hard at times I have to agree with him that the corruption in the US police is far beyond sporadic.
Does that mean all cops are corrupt? ofcourse not but recent times show that there is a systematic problem with police in the US. Major cities and locations across the country are regularly in the news for unacceptable acts by their officers (god knows how much never gets reported on), police unions are (for the most part) standing behind these bad cops and for some reason the government does not even collect data required to have a picture of the situation.

The reason the country is not in chaos over this is because most of you don't even know that it can be different, that cops don't have to shoot first and not bother with questions.

Your right on one thing tho, most people will never have bad issues with police in their life.
Most of those people are also white and not poor.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-02 12:12:35
January 02 2016 12:10 GMT
#54123
I'm not really educated to the intricacies and nuance of american racism, but in french nigger and negro are both traduced the same (nègre) and it's an awfully racist word.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
January 02 2016 15:32 GMT
#54124
http://money.cnn.com/video/news/economy/2015/09/15/this-is-life-on-low-wage.cnnmoney/index.html?iid=ob_article_video&iid=obnetwork
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-02 15:50:18
January 02 2016 15:50 GMT
#54125
Pretty much everyone here needs more black people in their lives if they are going to opine on this type of stuff.

Some people need more John Browns in their life tbh.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
January 02 2016 15:58 GMT
#54126
On January 02 2016 11:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 11:17 Deathstar wrote:
On January 02 2016 08:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 02 2016 07:53 Deathstar wrote:
On January 02 2016 06:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
Personally I prefer black, I'm no more connected with Africa than all the white folks here courtesy of the genocide of "African American" culture in the US (slavery and such).

M4ini is right though, it's not contradictory either as he is passing on a common sentiment among black folks and POC in general.

Pretty much everyone here needs more black people in their lives if they are going to opine on this type of stuff. I can't believe we're still not even sure whether "negro" is an offensive term or not...(it is , unless you're native Spanish speaker)

Hell pretty sure this forum had to argue whether "Nigger" was racist because some people think being an idiot is a get out of racism free card.

Jonny didn't even get a warning when he was clearly trying to insinuate I was a "monkey" either, so I can't really be surprised by it around here any more.


Anyway since I mentioned "good" cops recently...

Texas ‘Cop of the Year’ exposed as member of Mexico’s most dangerous cartel

Caught on video illegally selling assault rifles and sensitive information to undercover informants, a former officer of the year has also been accused of secretly working for Los Zetas cartel in a drug trafficking conspiracy in operation since 2006.

In April, videos surfaced of Juarez illegally selling firearms and sensitive information to government informants posing as major drug traffickers. In March 2011, a hidden camera recorded Juarez selling assault rifles to an informant. A second video recorded in July 2011 revealed Juarez running license plates through the Houston Police Department (HPD) database for an undercover informant who told the cop that the plate numbers belonged to people who owed him $800,000 in drug money.


Source


This is a different scenario. This cop (ethnic Mexican) is in league with Mexican cartels, which has to do with Mexico's drug war.

The whole result of the war on drugs is unfortunate. Marijuana legalization seems to already having impacts for marijuana farmers, in the form of falling profits. Marijuana will probably increase in the US, but that's not the concern.
http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-marijuana-20151230-story.html

Legalization of drugs such as heroin and amphetamines is unpalatable for me. I hope eventual marijuana legalization will have big enough of an impact to bring this drug war under control.



Sorry if I wasn't clear, the point wasn't an ethnic one, it was about how "good" cops or in this case "officer of the year" can be some of the worst cops on the force. Police departments across the country are so corrupt it's ridiculous that everyone isn't demanding they get massively reformed.


GH you need to relax your rhetoric lol. There are over 12,000 local police departments and over 700,000 police officers. This country would be in chaos if bad cops were rampant. Law enforcement is a human endeavor and human endeavors are flawed. If you have a personal problem you are better off being an activist in your local district. However most people will go through their lives and will never have an issue with the police aside from tickets.


Not really...

I don't know what you think rampant means but we simply disagree there. You can't honestly chalk the corruption and trampling of civil and constitutional rights as flaws of human endeavors, simply because most white people will go through life unaffected. As we have seen recently as a result of various protests, whether folks like it or not, people can't just ignore it and not get interrupted.

over 21 departments are under investigation, they are consistently being found to be violating people's rights especially POC. They aren't just small municipal departments either, we're talking about the biggest departments in the country that set precedents for the entire country.

Doesn't stop at the PD either. The whole system needs to be reviewed and reworked, anything less is a travesty.

http://www.justice.gov/crt/special-litigation-section-cases-and-matters0#police


to jump onto GH's posts, gonna link this
not particularly race related but our policing system is incredibly flawed in many ways
they have way too much power and no independent oversight

http://www.activistpost.com/2015/11/american-cops-now-steal-more-property-than-all-us-burglars-combined.html


obviously the headline is a loaded statement, but the statistics are real and disturbing
zf
Profile Joined April 2011
231 Posts
January 02 2016 19:10 GMT
#54127
Somewhat outdated. Congress defunded DOJ's asset forfeiture program and DOJ suspended federal-local asset sharing last month.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 02 2016 19:51 GMT
#54128
On January 03 2016 04:10 zf wrote:
Somewhat outdated. Congress defunded DOJ's asset forfeiture program and DOJ suspended federal-local asset sharing last month.

Yea, after tireless pressuring by Booker and Paul. They simply did it because if they hadn't those two would have gotten something into a spending bill and the whole jig would be up. Hell Congress acutally has 14th Amendment power to raise the burden of proof in all forfeiture hearing. Those were nearly 100% self preservation moves
Freeeeeeedom
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23609 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-02 22:23:19
January 02 2016 22:21 GMT
#54129
Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders raised more than $33 million in the final three months of last year, nearly matching front-runner Hillary Clinton’s fundraising haul over the same period, the Vermont senator’s campaign said Saturday.

Mr. Sanders, who entered the race in May as a long-shot candidate for the party nomination, collected a total of $73 million in 2015, his campaign said. With less than one month before the Iowa caucuses, he has more than $28 million in the bank.

Mrs. Clinton’s campaign said Friday she had raised $37 million in the fourth quarter of 2015, pushing her total for the year to $112 million. She ended 2015 with $38 million in the bank.

Though Mrs. Clinton won the quarterly race for campaign dollars, the Sanders campaign voiced optimism about its future fundraising prospects.

More than one million people donated to the Sanders campaign, giving an average of about $27, the campaign said. Of these donors, a fraction gave the maximum contribution of $2,700, meaning Mr. Sanders can go back to virtually all of his supporters and ask for more money as the primary season plays out.

“This people-powered campaign is revolutionizing American politics,” Jeff Weaver, the Sanders campaign manager, said in a prepared statement.

Supporters have made more than 2.5 million separate donations to his campaign, breaking a record that President Barack Obama set at a comparable point in the 2012 presidential election, the Sanders campaign said.


Source

Seems weird that a guy with "no chance" would be breaking fundraising records set by the last guy who didn't have a chance against Hillary or Romney.

Also when it comes to spending Bernie has pulled in ~$50 million less but only has $10 million less cash on hand. So Hillary has been burning money meanwhile she's been falling under 50%
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45246 Posts
January 02 2016 22:25 GMT
#54130
Out of curiosity, what happens to all those campaign contributions (the millions of dollars) if a candidate drops out of the race without using all of it on the campaign? Does it just roll into his bank account?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 02 2016 22:29 GMT
#54131
On January 03 2016 07:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Out of curiosity, what happens to all those campaign contributions (the millions of dollars) if a candidate drops out of the race without using all of it on the campaign? Does it just roll into his bank account?

One can roll it into a different campaign (I.e. Senate to House race) or donate to a charity.
Freeeeeeedom
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
January 02 2016 22:30 GMT
#54132
Also, it goes into paying off campaign debt
rip passion
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-02 23:49:35
January 02 2016 23:48 GMT
#54133
On January 02 2016 20:11 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 11:17 Deathstar wrote:
On January 02 2016 08:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 02 2016 07:53 Deathstar wrote:
On January 02 2016 06:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
Personally I prefer black, I'm no more connected with Africa than all the white folks here courtesy of the genocide of "African American" culture in the US (slavery and such).

M4ini is right though, it's not contradictory either as he is passing on a common sentiment among black folks and POC in general.

Pretty much everyone here needs more black people in their lives if they are going to opine on this type of stuff. I can't believe we're still not even sure whether "negro" is an offensive term or not...(it is , unless you're native Spanish speaker)

Hell pretty sure this forum had to argue whether "Nigger" was racist because some people think being an idiot is a get out of racism free card.

Jonny didn't even get a warning when he was clearly trying to insinuate I was a "monkey" either, so I can't really be surprised by it around here any more.


Anyway since I mentioned "good" cops recently...

Texas ‘Cop of the Year’ exposed as member of Mexico’s most dangerous cartel

Caught on video illegally selling assault rifles and sensitive information to undercover informants, a former officer of the year has also been accused of secretly working for Los Zetas cartel in a drug trafficking conspiracy in operation since 2006.

In April, videos surfaced of Juarez illegally selling firearms and sensitive information to government informants posing as major drug traffickers. In March 2011, a hidden camera recorded Juarez selling assault rifles to an informant. A second video recorded in July 2011 revealed Juarez running license plates through the Houston Police Department (HPD) database for an undercover informant who told the cop that the plate numbers belonged to people who owed him $800,000 in drug money.


Source


This is a different scenario. This cop (ethnic Mexican) is in league with Mexican cartels, which has to do with Mexico's drug war.

The whole result of the war on drugs is unfortunate. Marijuana legalization seems to already having impacts for marijuana farmers, in the form of falling profits. Marijuana will probably increase in the US, but that's not the concern.
http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-marijuana-20151230-story.html

Legalization of drugs such as heroin and amphetamines is unpalatable for me. I hope eventual marijuana legalization will have big enough of an impact to bring this drug war under control.



Sorry if I wasn't clear, the point wasn't an ethnic one, it was about how "good" cops or in this case "officer of the year" can be some of the worst cops on the force. Police departments across the country are so corrupt it's ridiculous that everyone isn't demanding they get massively reformed.


GH you need to relax your rhetoric lol. There are over 12,000 local police departments and over 700,000 police officers. This country would be in chaos if bad cops were rampant. Law enforcement is a human endeavor and human endeavors are flawed. If you have a personal problem you are better off being an activist in your local district. However most people will go through their lives and will never have an issue with the police aside from tickets.

While I agree that GH can come on to hard at times I have to agree with him that the corruption in the US police is far beyond sporadic.
Does that mean all cops are corrupt? ofcourse not but recent times show that there is a systematic problem with police in the US. Major cities and locations across the country are regularly in the news for unacceptable acts by their officers (god knows how much never gets reported on), police unions are (for the most part) standing behind these bad cops and for some reason the government does not even collect data required to have a picture of the situation.

The reason the country is not in chaos over this is because most of you don't even know that it can be different, that cops don't have to shoot first and not bother with questions.

Your right on one thing tho, most people will never have bad issues with police in their life.
Most of those people are also white and not poor.


Also his comment about institutionalized corruptions resulting in "choas" is a rather stupid argument, Corruption in of itself can only thrive most when things are as stable as possible for it to feed off. So no corrupt cops doesnt equal a chaotic country. Nor do corrupt politicians, bureaucrats, civil servants or what have you.

The real world isnt Gotham City...

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 03 2016 02:46 GMT
#54134
The wastewater treatment plant in Grand Junction, Colo., takes in 8 million gallons of raw sewage — what's flushed down the toilet and sinks.

Processing this sewage produces a lot of methane, which the plant used to just burn off into the air.

The process was "not good for the environment and a waste of a wonderful resource," says Dan Tonello, manager of the Persigo Wastewater Treatment Plant.

Now, using more infrastructure, the facility refines the methane further to produce natural gas chemically identical to what's drilled from underground.

Grand Junction has been replacing an aging fleet of garbage trucks and buses with natural gas vehicles, fueled mostly by the human-sourced gas from the treatment plant.

Tonello says Grand Junction is the first city in the nation to do that.

"We're looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars a year being saved by implementing this process," he says.

Europe has been extracting natural gas from organic waste for about a decade, and now it's starting to pick up in the U.S.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
January 03 2016 03:00 GMT
#54135
Anyone see this story that armed terrorists have taken over and are occupying a federal government building in Oregon? You have to hope the FBI or whichever organization is appropriate will take action to arrest these terrorists and resolve the situation.

www.oregonlive.com
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 03 2016 03:10 GMT
#54136
scalia sounding like ben carson. brilliant my ass
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 03 2016 03:18 GMT
#54137
On January 03 2016 12:00 Saryph wrote:
Anyone see this story that armed terrorists have taken over and are occupying a federal government building in Oregon? You have to hope the FBI or whichever organization is appropriate will take action to arrest these terrorists and resolve the situation.

www.oregonlive.com


Hitting the airwaves now it seems...

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
January 03 2016 03:27 GMT
#54138


When people are posting these sorts of videos, you need to be careful, and I hope the local/federal law enforcement will be. This guy doesn't sound...sane.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45246 Posts
January 03 2016 03:32 GMT
#54139
On January 03 2016 12:10 oneofthem wrote:
scalia sounding like ben carson. brilliant my ass


The fact that he doesn't actually understand the First Amendment, yet he's a SCJ... x.x
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45246 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-03 03:34:12
January 03 2016 03:33 GMT
#54140
On January 03 2016 12:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 12:00 Saryph wrote:
Anyone see this story that armed terrorists have taken over and are occupying a federal government building in Oregon? You have to hope the FBI or whichever organization is appropriate will take action to arrest these terrorists and resolve the situation.

www.oregonlive.com


Hitting the airwaves now it seems...

https://twitter.com/DannyCouch3/status/683481183246745600


Wasn't Cliven Bundy that guy that Fox News loved for a few days because he was a rancher standing up to the government or something, but then conservatives did a 180 when he started being super racist and shitty?
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