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On December 23 2015 02:02 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 01:32 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:20 Silvanel wrote:
I think he meant dangerous as "real contender for presidency" not the other way. I don't think so. the primary - maybe. the presidency? no way. I would even wager on that. On December 23 2015 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:
The interesting thing about the prospect of Trump winning the primary is that there's a 100% chance he'd run on a platform of "sensible, equitable single payer". He could tell everyone what a disaster obamacare would be and pledge to turn healthcare woes into good business. Trump winning a primary basically gives him free reign to be as liberal as he wants after assembling a legion of incredibly dedicated supporters. They wouldn't even need to be dedicated. It amazes me, and honestly also kind of confuses me, how much republicans hate Clinton. I honestly don't fully understand the specifics of why. I think republicans would prefer 4 more years of Obama over Clinton. Either way, Trump will have unwavering support against Clinton. just no lol. remember mr. etch-a-sketch? how enthusiastic republicans were for romney? take that and multiply it times "TRUMP" and you have a small portion of the can of worms trump being the nominee opens. outside of his dedicated followers - NOBOBY - wants him for president. not most republican voters, let alone the establishment. why then should he be able to sway democrats? and you not only need your + THE (republican) base to become president, you need a good chunk of the middle too. if there is no benghazi-esque moment for hillary, where she gets caught on tape saying she has sympathies for what ISIS is doing... not a snowball's chance in hell. I think a lot of what you are describing stops being the case once Clinton is the nominee. Republican voters are historically extremely party-loyal and will have great turn out "against the democrat". Trump would in theory have a huge amount of Republican support against Clinton. From there it is just a matter of him trying to convince everyone else. I see where you are coming from, but I find that that's a highly unlikely outcome. // btw. my bet is on Rubio for the nominee. Cruz is just way too eely and sneaky for his own good.
I agree that Rubio will be the nominee because the powers that be will simply not allow Trump. I'm just curious to see how they make that happen. I think the most interesting part of this election is going to be the establishment somehow twisting everything in Rubio's favor. In a way, Bush has been thrown to the dogs as a sacrifice to quell the anti-establishment crowd. I think they'll be able to frame Rubio as fresh and non-establishment enough.
I will however also say that I think Cruz may be enough of a political/evil genius enough to get the nomination himself.
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On December 23 2015 02:04 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 01:32 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:20 Silvanel wrote:
I think he meant dangerous as "real contender for presidency" not the other way. I don't think so. the primary - maybe. the presidency? no way. I would even wager on that. On December 23 2015 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:
The interesting thing about the prospect of Trump winning the primary is that there's a 100% chance he'd run on a platform of "sensible, equitable single payer". He could tell everyone what a disaster obamacare would be and pledge to turn healthcare woes into good business. Trump winning a primary basically gives him free reign to be as liberal as he wants after assembling a legion of incredibly dedicated supporters. They wouldn't even need to be dedicated. It amazes me, and honestly also kind of confuses me, how much republicans hate Clinton. I honestly don't fully understand the specifics of why. I think republicans would prefer 4 more years of Obama over Clinton. Either way, Trump will have unwavering support against Clinton. just no lol. remember mr. etch-a-sketch? how enthusiastic republicans were for romney? take that and multiply it times "TRUMP" and you have a small portion of the can of worms trump being the nominee opens. outside of his dedicated followers - NOBOBY - wants him for president. not most republican voters, let alone the establishment. why then should he be able to sway democrats? and you not only need your + THE (republican) base to become president, you need a good chunk of the middle too. if there is no benghazi-esque moment for hillary, where she gets caught on tape saying she has sympathies for what ISIS is doing... not a snowball's chance in hell. austrian pronouncing on american political taste. legit
I forgot, first amendment only for Americans 
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On December 23 2015 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 01:32 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:20 Silvanel wrote:
I think he meant dangerous as "real contender for presidency" not the other way. I don't think so. the primary - maybe. the presidency? no way. I would even wager on that. On December 23 2015 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:
The interesting thing about the prospect of Trump winning the primary is that there's a 100% chance he'd run on a platform of "sensible, equitable single payer". He could tell everyone what a disaster obamacare would be and pledge to turn healthcare woes into good business. Trump winning a primary basically gives him free reign to be as liberal as he wants after assembling a legion of incredibly dedicated supporters. They wouldn't even need to be dedicated. It amazes me, and honestly also kind of confuses me, how much republicans hate Clinton. I honestly don't fully understand the specifics of why. I think republicans would prefer 4 more years of Obama over Clinton. Either way, Trump will have unwavering support against Clinton. just no lol. remember mr. etch-a-sketch? how enthusiastic republicans were for romney? take that and multiply it times "TRUMP" and you have a small portion of the can of worms trump being the nominee opens. outside of his dedicated followers - NOBOBY - wants him for president. not most republican voters, let alone the establishment. why then should he be able to sway democrats? and you not only need your + THE (republican) base to become president, you need a good chunk of the middle too. if there is no benghazi-esque moment for hillary, where she gets caught on tape saying she has sympathies for what ISIS is doing... not a snowball's chance in hell. I think a lot of what you are describing stops being the case once Clinton is the nominee. Republican voters are historically extremely party-loyal and will have great turn out "against the democrat". Trump would in theory have a huge amount of Republican support against Clinton. From there it is just a matter of him trying to convince everyone else.
Yes, he only needs to convince everyone else. And that is where the Republican party has failed the last few times because to secure the nomination they says things (almost) everyone else does not want to hear and trying to take it all back and go into a completely different direction has not worked sofar.
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On December 23 2015 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 02:02 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 01:32 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:20 Silvanel wrote:
I think he meant dangerous as "real contender for presidency" not the other way. I don't think so. the primary - maybe. the presidency? no way. I would even wager on that. On December 23 2015 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:
The interesting thing about the prospect of Trump winning the primary is that there's a 100% chance he'd run on a platform of "sensible, equitable single payer". He could tell everyone what a disaster obamacare would be and pledge to turn healthcare woes into good business. Trump winning a primary basically gives him free reign to be as liberal as he wants after assembling a legion of incredibly dedicated supporters. They wouldn't even need to be dedicated. It amazes me, and honestly also kind of confuses me, how much republicans hate Clinton. I honestly don't fully understand the specifics of why. I think republicans would prefer 4 more years of Obama over Clinton. Either way, Trump will have unwavering support against Clinton. just no lol. remember mr. etch-a-sketch? how enthusiastic republicans were for romney? take that and multiply it times "TRUMP" and you have a small portion of the can of worms trump being the nominee opens. outside of his dedicated followers - NOBOBY - wants him for president. not most republican voters, let alone the establishment. why then should he be able to sway democrats? and you not only need your + THE (republican) base to become president, you need a good chunk of the middle too. if there is no benghazi-esque moment for hillary, where she gets caught on tape saying she has sympathies for what ISIS is doing... not a snowball's chance in hell. I think a lot of what you are describing stops being the case once Clinton is the nominee. Republican voters are historically extremely party-loyal and will have great turn out "against the democrat". Trump would in theory have a huge amount of Republican support against Clinton. From there it is just a matter of him trying to convince everyone else. I see where you are coming from, but I find that that's a highly unlikely outcome. // btw. my bet is on Rubio for the nominee. Cruz is just way too eely and sneaky for his own good. I agree that Rubio will be the nominee because the powers that be will simply not allow Trump. I'm just curious to see how they make that happen. I think the most interesting part of this election is going to be the establishment somehow twisting everything in Rubio's favor. In a way, Bush has been thrown to the dogs as a sacrifice to quell the anti-establishment crowd. I think they'll be able to frame Rubio as fresh and non-establishment enough.
yeah it will be interesting to see, though if you watched the last debate - after trump once again went for the insult versus bush - the crowd booed. I think the honeymoon period is over. the one liners are only funny so many times. and I doubt he will be able to swap from his current persona into "presidential trump" - you know, someone who does not find kind words for putin and gets applauded in return by the same.
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I seriously doubt Rubio will be the nominee. He has almost no ground game, huge negatives, has not succeeded in hurting Cruz or getting rid of the four other "establishment" picks, and is actually behind in every state and way behind in the nationals.
I'm pretty sure we'll see a Trump/Cruz ticket, which would be nice even if it isn't my first choice. I do think that would be an almost unstoppable ticket though, so that is good.
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On December 23 2015 02:14 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 02:02 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 01:32 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:20 Silvanel wrote:
I think he meant dangerous as "real contender for presidency" not the other way. I don't think so. the primary - maybe. the presidency? no way. I would even wager on that. On December 23 2015 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:
The interesting thing about the prospect of Trump winning the primary is that there's a 100% chance he'd run on a platform of "sensible, equitable single payer". He could tell everyone what a disaster obamacare would be and pledge to turn healthcare woes into good business. Trump winning a primary basically gives him free reign to be as liberal as he wants after assembling a legion of incredibly dedicated supporters. They wouldn't even need to be dedicated. It amazes me, and honestly also kind of confuses me, how much republicans hate Clinton. I honestly don't fully understand the specifics of why. I think republicans would prefer 4 more years of Obama over Clinton. Either way, Trump will have unwavering support against Clinton. just no lol. remember mr. etch-a-sketch? how enthusiastic republicans were for romney? take that and multiply it times "TRUMP" and you have a small portion of the can of worms trump being the nominee opens. outside of his dedicated followers - NOBOBY - wants him for president. not most republican voters, let alone the establishment. why then should he be able to sway democrats? and you not only need your + THE (republican) base to become president, you need a good chunk of the middle too. if there is no benghazi-esque moment for hillary, where she gets caught on tape saying she has sympathies for what ISIS is doing... not a snowball's chance in hell. I think a lot of what you are describing stops being the case once Clinton is the nominee. Republican voters are historically extremely party-loyal and will have great turn out "against the democrat". Trump would in theory have a huge amount of Republican support against Clinton. From there it is just a matter of him trying to convince everyone else. I see where you are coming from, but I find that that's a highly unlikely outcome. // btw. my bet is on Rubio for the nominee. Cruz is just way too eely and sneaky for his own good. I agree that Rubio will be the nominee because the powers that be will simply not allow Trump. I'm just curious to see how they make that happen. I think the most interesting part of this election is going to be the establishment somehow twisting everything in Rubio's favor. In a way, Bush has been thrown to the dogs as a sacrifice to quell the anti-establishment crowd. I think they'll be able to frame Rubio as fresh and non-establishment enough. yeah it will be interesting to see, though if you watched the last debate - after trump once again went for the insult versus bush - the crowd booed. I think the honeymoon period is over. the one liners are only funny so many times. and I doubt he will be able to swap from his current persona into "presidential trump" - you know, someone who does not find kind words for putin and gets applauded in return by the same.
You don't understand Trump's base
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On December 23 2015 02:31 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 02:14 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 02:02 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 01:32 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:20 Silvanel wrote:
I think he meant dangerous as "real contender for presidency" not the other way. I don't think so. the primary - maybe. the presidency? no way. I would even wager on that. On December 23 2015 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:
The interesting thing about the prospect of Trump winning the primary is that there's a 100% chance he'd run on a platform of "sensible, equitable single payer". He could tell everyone what a disaster obamacare would be and pledge to turn healthcare woes into good business. Trump winning a primary basically gives him free reign to be as liberal as he wants after assembling a legion of incredibly dedicated supporters. They wouldn't even need to be dedicated. It amazes me, and honestly also kind of confuses me, how much republicans hate Clinton. I honestly don't fully understand the specifics of why. I think republicans would prefer 4 more years of Obama over Clinton. Either way, Trump will have unwavering support against Clinton. just no lol. remember mr. etch-a-sketch? how enthusiastic republicans were for romney? take that and multiply it times "TRUMP" and you have a small portion of the can of worms trump being the nominee opens. outside of his dedicated followers - NOBOBY - wants him for president. not most republican voters, let alone the establishment. why then should he be able to sway democrats? and you not only need your + THE (republican) base to become president, you need a good chunk of the middle too. if there is no benghazi-esque moment for hillary, where she gets caught on tape saying she has sympathies for what ISIS is doing... not a snowball's chance in hell. I think a lot of what you are describing stops being the case once Clinton is the nominee. Republican voters are historically extremely party-loyal and will have great turn out "against the democrat". Trump would in theory have a huge amount of Republican support against Clinton. From there it is just a matter of him trying to convince everyone else. I see where you are coming from, but I find that that's a highly unlikely outcome. // btw. my bet is on Rubio for the nominee. Cruz is just way too eely and sneaky for his own good. I agree that Rubio will be the nominee because the powers that be will simply not allow Trump. I'm just curious to see how they make that happen. I think the most interesting part of this election is going to be the establishment somehow twisting everything in Rubio's favor. In a way, Bush has been thrown to the dogs as a sacrifice to quell the anti-establishment crowd. I think they'll be able to frame Rubio as fresh and non-establishment enough. yeah it will be interesting to see, though if you watched the last debate - after trump once again went for the insult versus bush - the crowd booed. I think the honeymoon period is over. the one liners are only funny so many times. and I doubt he will be able to swap from his current persona into "presidential trump" - you know, someone who does not find kind words for putin and gets applauded in return by the same. You don't understand Trump's base
where in my statement - and the statement before which I was answering to - does your trump crowd statement fit in exactly?
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On December 23 2015 02:34 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 02:31 Deathstar wrote:On December 23 2015 02:14 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 02:02 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 01:32 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:20 Silvanel wrote:
I think he meant dangerous as "real contender for presidency" not the other way. I don't think so. the primary - maybe. the presidency? no way. I would even wager on that. On December 23 2015 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:
The interesting thing about the prospect of Trump winning the primary is that there's a 100% chance he'd run on a platform of "sensible, equitable single payer". He could tell everyone what a disaster obamacare would be and pledge to turn healthcare woes into good business. Trump winning a primary basically gives him free reign to be as liberal as he wants after assembling a legion of incredibly dedicated supporters. They wouldn't even need to be dedicated. It amazes me, and honestly also kind of confuses me, how much republicans hate Clinton. I honestly don't fully understand the specifics of why. I think republicans would prefer 4 more years of Obama over Clinton. Either way, Trump will have unwavering support against Clinton. just no lol. remember mr. etch-a-sketch? how enthusiastic republicans were for romney? take that and multiply it times "TRUMP" and you have a small portion of the can of worms trump being the nominee opens. outside of his dedicated followers - NOBOBY - wants him for president. not most republican voters, let alone the establishment. why then should he be able to sway democrats? and you not only need your + THE (republican) base to become president, you need a good chunk of the middle too. if there is no benghazi-esque moment for hillary, where she gets caught on tape saying she has sympathies for what ISIS is doing... not a snowball's chance in hell. I think a lot of what you are describing stops being the case once Clinton is the nominee. Republican voters are historically extremely party-loyal and will have great turn out "against the democrat". Trump would in theory have a huge amount of Republican support against Clinton. From there it is just a matter of him trying to convince everyone else. I see where you are coming from, but I find that that's a highly unlikely outcome. // btw. my bet is on Rubio for the nominee. Cruz is just way too eely and sneaky for his own good. I agree that Rubio will be the nominee because the powers that be will simply not allow Trump. I'm just curious to see how they make that happen. I think the most interesting part of this election is going to be the establishment somehow twisting everything in Rubio's favor. In a way, Bush has been thrown to the dogs as a sacrifice to quell the anti-establishment crowd. I think they'll be able to frame Rubio as fresh and non-establishment enough. yeah it will be interesting to see, though if you watched the last debate - after trump once again went for the insult versus bush - the crowd booed. I think the honeymoon period is over. the one liners are only funny so many times. and I doubt he will be able to swap from his current persona into "presidential trump" - you know, someone who does not find kind words for putin and gets applauded in return by the same. You don't understand Trump's base where in my statement - and the statement before which I was answering to - does your trump crowd statement fit in exactly?
after trump once again went for the insult versus bush - the crowd booed. I think the honeymoon period is over.
What else is honeymoon period supposed to mean?
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On December 23 2015 02:44 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 02:34 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 02:31 Deathstar wrote:On December 23 2015 02:14 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 02:02 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 01:32 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:20 Silvanel wrote:
I think he meant dangerous as "real contender for presidency" not the other way. I don't think so. the primary - maybe. the presidency? no way. I would even wager on that. On December 23 2015 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:
The interesting thing about the prospect of Trump winning the primary is that there's a 100% chance he'd run on a platform of "sensible, equitable single payer". He could tell everyone what a disaster obamacare would be and pledge to turn healthcare woes into good business. Trump winning a primary basically gives him free reign to be as liberal as he wants after assembling a legion of incredibly dedicated supporters. They wouldn't even need to be dedicated. It amazes me, and honestly also kind of confuses me, how much republicans hate Clinton. I honestly don't fully understand the specifics of why. I think republicans would prefer 4 more years of Obama over Clinton. Either way, Trump will have unwavering support against Clinton. just no lol. remember mr. etch-a-sketch? how enthusiastic republicans were for romney? take that and multiply it times "TRUMP" and you have a small portion of the can of worms trump being the nominee opens. outside of his dedicated followers - NOBOBY - wants him for president. not most republican voters, let alone the establishment. why then should he be able to sway democrats? and you not only need your + THE (republican) base to become president, you need a good chunk of the middle too. if there is no benghazi-esque moment for hillary, where she gets caught on tape saying she has sympathies for what ISIS is doing... not a snowball's chance in hell. I think a lot of what you are describing stops being the case once Clinton is the nominee. Republican voters are historically extremely party-loyal and will have great turn out "against the democrat". Trump would in theory have a huge amount of Republican support against Clinton. From there it is just a matter of him trying to convince everyone else. I see where you are coming from, but I find that that's a highly unlikely outcome. // btw. my bet is on Rubio for the nominee. Cruz is just way too eely and sneaky for his own good. I agree that Rubio will be the nominee because the powers that be will simply not allow Trump. I'm just curious to see how they make that happen. I think the most interesting part of this election is going to be the establishment somehow twisting everything in Rubio's favor. In a way, Bush has been thrown to the dogs as a sacrifice to quell the anti-establishment crowd. I think they'll be able to frame Rubio as fresh and non-establishment enough. yeah it will be interesting to see, though if you watched the last debate - after trump once again went for the insult versus bush - the crowd booed. I think the honeymoon period is over. the one liners are only funny so many times. and I doubt he will be able to swap from his current persona into "presidential trump" - you know, someone who does not find kind words for putin and gets applauded in return by the same. You don't understand Trump's base where in my statement - and the statement before which I was answering to - does your trump crowd statement fit in exactly? Show nested quote +after trump once again went for the insult versus bush - the crowd booed. I think the honeymoon period is over. What else is honeymoon period supposed to mean?
He is referring everyone else who isn't in Trump's base that tolerated or found Trump amusing up to this point. And that they are no longer tolerate or find him amusing in any way.
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On December 23 2015 02:44 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 02:34 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 02:31 Deathstar wrote:On December 23 2015 02:14 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 02:02 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 01:32 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:20 Silvanel wrote:
I think he meant dangerous as "real contender for presidency" not the other way. I don't think so. the primary - maybe. the presidency? no way. I would even wager on that. On December 23 2015 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:
The interesting thing about the prospect of Trump winning the primary is that there's a 100% chance he'd run on a platform of "sensible, equitable single payer". He could tell everyone what a disaster obamacare would be and pledge to turn healthcare woes into good business. Trump winning a primary basically gives him free reign to be as liberal as he wants after assembling a legion of incredibly dedicated supporters. They wouldn't even need to be dedicated. It amazes me, and honestly also kind of confuses me, how much republicans hate Clinton. I honestly don't fully understand the specifics of why. I think republicans would prefer 4 more years of Obama over Clinton. Either way, Trump will have unwavering support against Clinton. just no lol. remember mr. etch-a-sketch? how enthusiastic republicans were for romney? take that and multiply it times "TRUMP" and you have a small portion of the can of worms trump being the nominee opens. outside of his dedicated followers - NOBOBY - wants him for president. not most republican voters, let alone the establishment. why then should he be able to sway democrats? and you not only need your + THE (republican) base to become president, you need a good chunk of the middle too. if there is no benghazi-esque moment for hillary, where she gets caught on tape saying she has sympathies for what ISIS is doing... not a snowball's chance in hell. I think a lot of what you are describing stops being the case once Clinton is the nominee. Republican voters are historically extremely party-loyal and will have great turn out "against the democrat". Trump would in theory have a huge amount of Republican support against Clinton. From there it is just a matter of him trying to convince everyone else. I see where you are coming from, but I find that that's a highly unlikely outcome. // btw. my bet is on Rubio for the nominee. Cruz is just way too eely and sneaky for his own good. I agree that Rubio will be the nominee because the powers that be will simply not allow Trump. I'm just curious to see how they make that happen. I think the most interesting part of this election is going to be the establishment somehow twisting everything in Rubio's favor. In a way, Bush has been thrown to the dogs as a sacrifice to quell the anti-establishment crowd. I think they'll be able to frame Rubio as fresh and non-establishment enough. yeah it will be interesting to see, though if you watched the last debate - after trump once again went for the insult versus bush - the crowd booed. I think the honeymoon period is over. the one liners are only funny so many times. and I doubt he will be able to swap from his current persona into "presidential trump" - you know, someone who does not find kind words for putin and gets applauded in return by the same. You don't understand Trump's base where in my statement - and the statement before which I was answering to - does your trump crowd statement fit in exactly? Show nested quote +after trump once again went for the insult versus bush - the crowd booed. I think the honeymoon period is over. What else is honeymoon period supposed to mean?
that he gets away with saying just about anything that comes to his mind anymore - people caught up with him, to his detriment even the average republican. the trump base finds it still hilarous, I totally agree with you there.
but the coming (primary) debates won't be held in trump tower. I think his star is waning.
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On December 23 2015 02:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 02:44 Deathstar wrote:On December 23 2015 02:34 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 02:31 Deathstar wrote:On December 23 2015 02:14 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 02:02 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 01:32 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:20 Silvanel wrote:
I think he meant dangerous as "real contender for presidency" not the other way. I don't think so. the primary - maybe. the presidency? no way. I would even wager on that. On December 23 2015 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:
The interesting thing about the prospect of Trump winning the primary is that there's a 100% chance he'd run on a platform of "sensible, equitable single payer". He could tell everyone what a disaster obamacare would be and pledge to turn healthcare woes into good business. Trump winning a primary basically gives him free reign to be as liberal as he wants after assembling a legion of incredibly dedicated supporters. They wouldn't even need to be dedicated. It amazes me, and honestly also kind of confuses me, how much republicans hate Clinton. I honestly don't fully understand the specifics of why. I think republicans would prefer 4 more years of Obama over Clinton. Either way, Trump will have unwavering support against Clinton. just no lol. remember mr. etch-a-sketch? how enthusiastic republicans were for romney? take that and multiply it times "TRUMP" and you have a small portion of the can of worms trump being the nominee opens. outside of his dedicated followers - NOBOBY - wants him for president. not most republican voters, let alone the establishment. why then should he be able to sway democrats? and you not only need your + THE (republican) base to become president, you need a good chunk of the middle too. if there is no benghazi-esque moment for hillary, where she gets caught on tape saying she has sympathies for what ISIS is doing... not a snowball's chance in hell. I think a lot of what you are describing stops being the case once Clinton is the nominee. Republican voters are historically extremely party-loyal and will have great turn out "against the democrat". Trump would in theory have a huge amount of Republican support against Clinton. From there it is just a matter of him trying to convince everyone else. I see where you are coming from, but I find that that's a highly unlikely outcome. // btw. my bet is on Rubio for the nominee. Cruz is just way too eely and sneaky for his own good. I agree that Rubio will be the nominee because the powers that be will simply not allow Trump. I'm just curious to see how they make that happen. I think the most interesting part of this election is going to be the establishment somehow twisting everything in Rubio's favor. In a way, Bush has been thrown to the dogs as a sacrifice to quell the anti-establishment crowd. I think they'll be able to frame Rubio as fresh and non-establishment enough. yeah it will be interesting to see, though if you watched the last debate - after trump once again went for the insult versus bush - the crowd booed. I think the honeymoon period is over. the one liners are only funny so many times. and I doubt he will be able to swap from his current persona into "presidential trump" - you know, someone who does not find kind words for putin and gets applauded in return by the same. You don't understand Trump's base where in my statement - and the statement before which I was answering to - does your trump crowd statement fit in exactly? after trump once again went for the insult versus bush - the crowd booed. I think the honeymoon period is over. What else is honeymoon period supposed to mean? He is referring everyone else who isn't in Trump's base that tolerated or found Trump amusing up to this point. And that they are no longer tolerate or find him amusing in any way.
The people who found Trump amusing (in a negative way) presumably aren't saying they're going to vote for him to pollsters. The battle lines have been drawn early so most people against Trump were probably against him from the moment he joined in. But alright.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2015/12/22/trump-cruz-quinnipiac-poll-republicans-2016/77741930/
Donald Trump still leads among Republicans nationally, according to a new poll Tuesday that also says 50% of the nation would be "embarrassed" to have the New York businessman as president.
The Quinnipiac University National Poll also shows that Trump faces a tightening GOP race — while he leads at 28%, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz is close behind at 24%.
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On December 23 2015 02:54 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 02:46 Plansix wrote:On December 23 2015 02:44 Deathstar wrote:On December 23 2015 02:34 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 02:31 Deathstar wrote:On December 23 2015 02:14 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 02:02 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 01:32 Doublemint wrote:
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I don't think so. the primary - maybe. the presidency? no way. I would even wager on that.
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just no lol. remember mr. etch-a-sketch? how enthusiastic republicans were for romney? take that and multiply it times "TRUMP" and you have a small portion of the can of worms trump being the nominee opens.
outside of his dedicated followers - NOBOBY - wants him for president. not most republican voters, let alone the establishment. why then should he be able to sway democrats?
and you not only need your + THE (republican) base to become president, you need a good chunk of the middle too. if there is no benghazi-esque moment for hillary, where she gets caught on tape saying she has sympathies for what ISIS is doing... not a snowball's chance in hell.
I think a lot of what you are describing stops being the case once Clinton is the nominee. Republican voters are historically extremely party-loyal and will have great turn out "against the democrat". Trump would in theory have a huge amount of Republican support against Clinton. From there it is just a matter of him trying to convince everyone else. I see where you are coming from, but I find that that's a highly unlikely outcome. // btw. my bet is on Rubio for the nominee. Cruz is just way too eely and sneaky for his own good. I agree that Rubio will be the nominee because the powers that be will simply not allow Trump. I'm just curious to see how they make that happen. I think the most interesting part of this election is going to be the establishment somehow twisting everything in Rubio's favor. In a way, Bush has been thrown to the dogs as a sacrifice to quell the anti-establishment crowd. I think they'll be able to frame Rubio as fresh and non-establishment enough. yeah it will be interesting to see, though if you watched the last debate - after trump once again went for the insult versus bush - the crowd booed. I think the honeymoon period is over. the one liners are only funny so many times. and I doubt he will be able to swap from his current persona into "presidential trump" - you know, someone who does not find kind words for putin and gets applauded in return by the same. You don't understand Trump's base where in my statement - and the statement before which I was answering to - does your trump crowd statement fit in exactly? after trump once again went for the insult versus bush - the crowd booed. I think the honeymoon period is over. What else is honeymoon period supposed to mean? He is referring everyone else who isn't in Trump's base that tolerated or found Trump amusing up to this point. And that they are no longer tolerate or find him amusing in any way. The people who found Trump amusing (in a negative way) presumably aren't saying they're going to vote for him to pollsters. The battle lines have been drawn early so most people against Trump were probably against him from the moment he joined in. But alright. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2015/12/22/trump-cruz-quinnipiac-poll-republicans-2016/77741930/Show nested quote +
Donald Trump still leads among Republicans nationally, according to a new poll Tuesday that also says 50% of the nation would be "embarrassed" to have the New York businessman as president.
The Quinnipiac University National Poll also shows that Trump faces a tightening GOP race — while he leads at 28%, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz is close behind at 24%.
Cruz is not much better than Trump - shows how fucked up the average Republican is.
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On December 23 2015 02:50 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 02:44 Deathstar wrote:On December 23 2015 02:34 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 02:31 Deathstar wrote:On December 23 2015 02:14 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 02:02 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:On December 23 2015 01:32 Doublemint wrote:On December 23 2015 01:20 Silvanel wrote:
I think he meant dangerous as "real contender for presidency" not the other way. I don't think so. the primary - maybe. the presidency? no way. I would even wager on that. On December 23 2015 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:
The interesting thing about the prospect of Trump winning the primary is that there's a 100% chance he'd run on a platform of "sensible, equitable single payer". He could tell everyone what a disaster obamacare would be and pledge to turn healthcare woes into good business. Trump winning a primary basically gives him free reign to be as liberal as he wants after assembling a legion of incredibly dedicated supporters. They wouldn't even need to be dedicated. It amazes me, and honestly also kind of confuses me, how much republicans hate Clinton. I honestly don't fully understand the specifics of why. I think republicans would prefer 4 more years of Obama over Clinton. Either way, Trump will have unwavering support against Clinton. just no lol. remember mr. etch-a-sketch? how enthusiastic republicans were for romney? take that and multiply it times "TRUMP" and you have a small portion of the can of worms trump being the nominee opens. outside of his dedicated followers - NOBOBY - wants him for president. not most republican voters, let alone the establishment. why then should he be able to sway democrats? and you not only need your + THE (republican) base to become president, you need a good chunk of the middle too. if there is no benghazi-esque moment for hillary, where she gets caught on tape saying she has sympathies for what ISIS is doing... not a snowball's chance in hell. I think a lot of what you are describing stops being the case once Clinton is the nominee. Republican voters are historically extremely party-loyal and will have great turn out "against the democrat". Trump would in theory have a huge amount of Republican support against Clinton. From there it is just a matter of him trying to convince everyone else. I see where you are coming from, but I find that that's a highly unlikely outcome. // btw. my bet is on Rubio for the nominee. Cruz is just way too eely and sneaky for his own good. I agree that Rubio will be the nominee because the powers that be will simply not allow Trump. I'm just curious to see how they make that happen. I think the most interesting part of this election is going to be the establishment somehow twisting everything in Rubio's favor. In a way, Bush has been thrown to the dogs as a sacrifice to quell the anti-establishment crowd. I think they'll be able to frame Rubio as fresh and non-establishment enough. yeah it will be interesting to see, though if you watched the last debate - after trump once again went for the insult versus bush - the crowd booed. I think the honeymoon period is over. the one liners are only funny so many times. and I doubt he will be able to swap from his current persona into "presidential trump" - you know, someone who does not find kind words for putin and gets applauded in return by the same. You don't understand Trump's base where in my statement - and the statement before which I was answering to - does your trump crowd statement fit in exactly? after trump once again went for the insult versus bush - the crowd booed. I think the honeymoon period is over. What else is honeymoon period supposed to mean? that he gets away with saying just about anything that comes to his mind anymore - people caught up with him, to his detriment even the average republican. the trump base finds it still hilarous, I totally agree with you there. but the coming (primary) debates won't be held in trump tower. I think his star is waning.
I think this election is throwing out our current understanding of the average Republican. But I'll look into this cause it's interesting.
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Rubio cannot possibly win due to simple math. Rubio voted for the Gang of 8 immigration bill (aka amnesty). 40% of the Republican base supports Trump (implies opposition to amnesty). That means Rubio is only competitive with at most 60% of the electorate. Rubio hasn't broken 12% in a year. How does he go from 12 to 50 when he is only playing for a little more than half the Republican field? There is no way he actually does that, even if every other establishment Republican drops out. Cruz and Rubio's gang of 8 vote will block any path Rubio has to a plurality share of the vote.
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On December 23 2015 02:30 Cowboy64 wrote:
I seriously doubt Rubio will be the nominee. He has almost no ground game, huge negatives, has not succeeded in hurting Cruz or getting rid of the four other "establishment" picks, and is actually behind in every state and way behind in the nationals.
I'm pretty sure we'll see a Trump/Cruz ticket, which would be nice even if it isn't my first choice. I do think that would be an almost unstoppable ticket though, so that is good.
On December 22 2015 09:49 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 09:17 Rassy wrote:
If trump is going to be nominated then I hope for America that Hillary wont be his opponent. Trump would do very well against Hillary.
Sanders is the voice of reason, wich would be a clear contradiction with trump and make it an easy choise at the election.
Clinton and trump will go head to head,they are similar people. And then clinton will mess up.
I am not the only liberal left wing guy that doesn't like Hilary for some unspecified reason,putting her against trump would be a mistake.
Well that's how I see it.
Republicans should have gone with Romney, lets be honest here. He looks way better then any of the existing candidates. Now it is another lost election unless they manage to pit trump against Hillary. from Reuters: Show nested quote +Trump beats Republicans, not Clinton, in one-on-one matchups
Donald Trump would win a hypothetical head-to-head contest against either of his two closest Republican U.S. presidential rivals, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, but he would fall short of beating Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton if the election were held today, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll on Monday.
If the Republican primary featured a face-off between Trump and Cruz, a Texas senator, Trump would win the support of 41 percent of Republican and independent voters, the poll showed. Cruz would take 31 percent, while 28 percent said they would not vote in a Cruz-Trump contest.
If Rubio, a Florida senator, were pitted against Trump, the billionaire real-estate mogul would take 40 percent support of Republican and independent voters to Rubio's 34 percent, according to the poll. Twenty-seven percent said they would not vote. In this matchup, Trump's lead over Rubio is within the survey's credibility interval.
Cruz and Rubio currently sit in second and fourth place of all Republican candidates, respectively, in the run-up to the November 2016 presidential election, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll on Friday.
Despite months of leading the Republican polls, Trump would fall short in a general election competition held today against Clinton, the poll showed. In a one-on-one match-up, the former secretary of state would take 40 percent support of all voters to real estate mogul Trump's 29 percent.
Eight percent of respondents said they did not know which candidate they would support in a Clinton-Trump competition. Fourteen percent said they would not vote for either one, and another 9 percent said they would not vote at all.
The survey of 1,627 likely voters from all parties was conducted between Dec. 16 and Dec. 21, with a credibility interval of 2.8 to 3.7 percentage points. source
Unstoppable? Probably, just not that way around lol
That means Trump is on roughly 42% vs Clinton on about 58% if you exclude the people who aren't sure if they want to vote, said they won't vote at all or are still undecided.
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The reality distortion field around Trump is strong, despite all those polls.
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On December 23 2015 04:35 JW_DTLA wrote:
Rubio cannot possibly win due to simple math. Rubio voted for the Gang of 8 immigration bill (aka amnesty). 40% of the Republican base supports Trump (implies opposition to amnesty). That means Rubio is only competitive with at most 60% of the electorate. Rubio hasn't broken 12% in a year. How does he go from 12 to 50 when he is only playing for a little more than half the Republican field? There is no way he actually does that, even if every other establishment Republican drops out. Cruz and Rubio's gang of 8 vote will block any path Rubio has to a plurality share of the vote.
It would be a miracle of mishaps from opponents and solid debate prowess. It's early enough in the primaries for the front-runners to really screw up and Rubio to corner the remaining establishment support and bucks as the least unpalatable contender. Alternatively: Just needs some mistresses, tax fraud, or hush money.
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Rubio isn't winning anything. No one can point to a single state he even has a chance of winning including his home state of Florida. Rubio's shot is dependent on the same crap the establishment has been saying for months "Trump will go away". Trump and more importantly his supporters aren't going anywhere except maybe to Cruz.
Right now the establishment is just trying to convince the people who were supposed to dump $1,000,000,000 plus into republican coffers that it's not just a rip off like Carson's campaign team
My view on Trump is our politicians have largely existed in order to convince the voting public that things are the way they should be or they will change them to the way they should be, meanwhile enriching those at the top.
I Imagine it went something like this....Trump walked into the room full of wealthy folks discussing which politicians could sell their "rich get richer, poor get poorer" plan for the future. After about 5 minutes of hearing "Jeb, no Cruz, No Rubio,..." Trump speaks up and says they are all losers, he could sell the shit out of this (horrible for average Americans) plan that will make Trump and select wealthy folks tons of money.
Cut to today where Trump is kicking all of their asses and well on his way in his attempt at cutting out the middlemen that are politicians.
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If Trump has an Achilles heel, it will be that he has no idea whatsover on how to actually run the ground game of the electoral process. That or he can't convert the remaining undecideds as well as Cruz et al.
He's polling 7% lower than national numbers in Iowa and 5% lower than national numbers in New Hampshire according to the RCP averages. That's not a good thing (he loses ~20% of his national vote share in Iowa and ~14% of his vote share in NH). Luckily for him the only other guy who is competent at running a campaign doesn't care about NH and is hated almost as much by the establishment (Cruz). Rubio sucks at actually campaigning and while Christie and to a lesser extent Jeb are doing amazingly in NH relative to nationally all they're really doing is draining Rubio's chances there.
On December 23 2015 04:35 JW_DTLA wrote:
Rubio cannot possibly win due to simple math. Rubio voted for the Gang of 8 immigration bill (aka amnesty). 40% of the Republican base supports Trump (implies opposition to amnesty). That means Rubio is only competitive with at most 60% of the electorate. Rubio hasn't broken 12% in a year. How does he go from 12 to 50 when he is only playing for a little more than half the Republican field? There is no way he actually does that, even if every other establishment Republican drops out. Cruz and Rubio's gang of 8 vote will block any path Rubio has to a plurality share of the vote.
Unfortunately that's not how people vote.
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Trump also has zero experience or staff devoted to getting his supporters to the polls to vote. Primaries are won and lost based on getting out the vote and Trump does not appear to be prepared for it in any way.
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