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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23848 Posts
July 20 2015 22:14 GMT
#42341
On July 21 2015 06:59 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 05:44 KwarK wrote:
http://www.wbez.org/news/city-fires-investigator-who-found-cops-fault-shootings-112423

“Things began to turn sour, I would say, within the last year,” Davis said. “Chief Administrator Ando began to say that he wanted me to change my findings.”

Davis says he helped investigate more than a dozen shootings by police at the agency. He says his superiors had no objections when his team recommended exonerating officers. The objections came, he says, after each finding that a shooting was unjustified. He says there were six of those cases.

“They have shot people dead when they did not have to shoot,” Davis said about those officers. “They were not in reasonable fear for their lives. The evidence shows that the officer knew, or should have known, that the person who they shot was not armed or did not pose a threat to them or could have been apprehended by means short of deadly force.”

1 in 400. No one anywhere has a 0.25% wrongful shooting rate.
That fact alone shows me how utterly bullshit the investigations are.



Yeah it's all I could think about when people like O'Reilly use the statistics to back up their arguments.

As if the statistics don't obviously show either corruption or that police are superhuman.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-20 22:54:44
July 20 2015 22:53 GMT
#42342
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whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-20 23:56:21
July 20 2015 23:53 GMT
#42343
Trump now has a double digit lead over Bush and Walker in the polls, and after the debate gg no re GOP
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-poll-lead-mccain-2015-7
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23848 Posts
July 21 2015 00:16 GMT
#42344
On July 21 2015 08:53 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Trump now has a double digit lead over Bush and Walker in the polls, and after the debate gg no re GOP
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-poll-lead-mccain-2015-7


Your posts seem mostly intended to stir shit up but this one does make me laugh.

The guy is the real deal and is kicking GOP ass.

What Sanders and Trump are showing is that people are taking control over the elections back from the parties.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
July 21 2015 00:23 GMT
#42345
On July 21 2015 09:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 08:53 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Trump now has a double digit lead over Bush and Walker in the polls, and after the debate gg no re GOP
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-poll-lead-mccain-2015-7


Your posts seem mostly intended to stir shit up but this one does make me laugh.

The guy is the real deal and is kicking GOP ass.

What Sanders and Trump are showing is that people are taking control over the elections back from the parties.

I dont intentionally try to stir shit up its just I made a 100$ bet at the Atlantis sportsbook and Casino in Reno Nevada 3 weeks ago that Donald Trump would win the election and the odds were 13:1 so am happy hes doing so well (this coming from an american citizen who has no right to vote) lol
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-21 02:04:51
July 21 2015 02:04 GMT
#42346
Don't you guys find this a bit frightening though? I mean the idea that Trump might end up being the president of the US is insane and even though many people think he doesn't have a real shot, the amount of support he's getting is astounding. A fucking loon like that? As a Canadian, I think it's cause for concern.

Get your ****ing shit together GOP.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-21 02:07:06
July 21 2015 02:05 GMT
#42347
On July 21 2015 08:53 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Trump now has a double digit lead over Bush and Walker in the polls, and after the debate gg no re GOP
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-poll-lead-mccain-2015-7

Luckily the latest poll was mostly conducted before the McCain backlash. But keep in mind the other early frontrunners the GOP have had in recent years.

At the risk of sounding bi-partisan, I think it shows it's not the sane party most of the time. I understand a lot of conservatives hate idiots like Trump, Cain, etc. but a lot of them love them. I don't think wacko fringe candidates get nearly as much play from the left.

EDIT: And before anyone tries to throw Sanders in there, remember he's been in congress for 25 years. He's far left, but he's not fringe.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 21 2015 02:12 GMT
#42348
Someone like Jessie Jackson could get a lot of play in a Democratic primary. Or someone from La Raza. They just don't run for some reason or another.
Freeeeeeedom
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4923 Posts
July 21 2015 02:15 GMT
#42349
It helps that the media love to talk about the crazier Republicans as well, instead of ignoring them or focusing on Democrats. All the left-wing news outlets can't get enough of Trump. Not only does it give him exposure, all the attacks will rally people around him.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-21 02:16:44
July 21 2015 02:16 GMT
#42350
Yeah, because the people who would vote for Trump watch leftwing news outlets......
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
July 21 2015 02:18 GMT
#42351
On July 21 2015 11:12 cLutZ wrote:
Someone like Jessie Jackson could get a lot of play in a Democratic primary. Or someone from La Raza. They just don't run for some reason or another.

It's been a while since Jessie ran. I don't know what his numbers looked like in the 80's, they might be better today. Sharpton gets laughed out of the race pretty quickly though.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 21 2015 02:30 GMT
#42352
Well, obviously Jessie has the affairs and his son's corruption, but just the general idea of a race-splintering Democratic candidate. I feel like such a candidate could pull 10-25%, and on a sustained basis (i.e. through Super Tuesday).
Freeeeeeedom
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4923 Posts
July 21 2015 03:07 GMT
#42353
On July 21 2015 11:16 farvacola wrote:
Yeah, because the people who would vote for Trump watch leftwing news outlets......


They still read, see the headlines. They are aware of what's going on. Most Trump news comes from left-wing or mainstream media outlets. Another day, another 15 Trump stories.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-21 03:47:59
July 21 2015 03:36 GMT
#42354
On July 21 2015 11:04 Djzapz wrote:
Don't you guys find this a bit frightening though? I mean the idea that Trump might end up being the president of the US is insane and even though many people think he doesn't have a real shot, the amount of support he's getting is astounding. A fucking loon like that? As a Canadian, I think it's cause for concern.

Get your ****ing shit together GOP.

He cant do any worse then what we have right now. Trump might turn into the Elon Musk of Politics. Everyone thinks he will fail, and then he takes over the world.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
July 21 2015 03:54 GMT
#42355
On July 21 2015 12:36 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 11:04 Djzapz wrote:
Don't you guys find this a bit frightening though? I mean the idea that Trump might end up being the president of the US is insane and even though many people think he doesn't have a real shot, the amount of support he's getting is astounding. A fucking loon like that? As a Canadian, I think it's cause for concern.

Get your ****ing shit together GOP.

He cant do any worse then what we have right now. Trump might turn into the Elon Musk of Politics. Everyone thinks he will fail, and then he takes over the world.

You haven't lived very long if Trump can't do any worse than what we have now. There's plenty to criticize about Obama, but Trump is something else.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 21 2015 03:59 GMT
#42356
On July 21 2015 12:36 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 11:04 Djzapz wrote:
Don't you guys find this a bit frightening though? I mean the idea that Trump might end up being the president of the US is insane and even though many people think he doesn't have a real shot, the amount of support he's getting is astounding. A fucking loon like that? As a Canadian, I think it's cause for concern.

Get your ****ing shit together GOP.

He cant do any worse then what we have right now. Trump might turn into the Elon Musk of Politics. Everyone thinks he will fail, and then he takes over the world.


Elon Musk? The guy who's business model is dependent on government subsidies?
Freeeeeeedom
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
July 21 2015 04:19 GMT
#42357
People don't understand that the ability to tap into a vein of wealth (or, in the case of Trump, having been born in an empire which has been dwindling under him) does not necessarily translate well to politics. How is a man who's always had everything he ever wanted and never did proper politic going to fare in Washington. There, he'll fail at using diplomacy and run against a wall when congress won't put up with his shit. He'll try to bully people and fail. And if his speeches are any indication of his cognitive capabilities, foreign politics are going to be very ****ing hard for him.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
July 21 2015 04:49 GMT
#42358
On July 21 2015 13:19 Djzapz wrote:
People don't understand that the ability to tap into a vein of wealth (or, in the case of Trump, having been born in an empire which has been dwindling under him) does not necessarily translate well to politics. How is a man who's always had everything he ever wanted and never did proper politic going to fare in Washington. There, he'll fail at using diplomacy and run against a wall when congress won't put up with his shit. He'll try to bully people and fail. And if his speeches are any indication of his cognitive capabilities, foreign politics are going to be very ****ing hard for him.

However hard it may be for trump, it would still look like a streamlined vision of the future compared to Greece.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23848 Posts
July 21 2015 05:07 GMT
#42359
On July 21 2015 12:07 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 11:16 farvacola wrote:
Yeah, because the people who would vote for Trump watch leftwing news outlets......


They still read, see the headlines. They are aware of what's going on. Most Trump news comes from left-wing or mainstream media outlets. Another day, another 15 Trump stories.


lol "mainstream or left wing" which leaves...?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 21 2015 05:17 GMT
#42360
If Trump keeps up his shenanigans in office (if he gets there) I guarantee they'll impeach him before the first 100 days are over.
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