EPTOn July 20 2015 08:56 Wolfstan wrote:
Noob question, but what is SJWs?
Noob question, but what is SJWs?
Social Justice Warriors.
I had to google it lol
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
Social Justice Warriors. I had to google it lol | ||
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GreenHorizons
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On July 20 2015 09:08 LuckyFool wrote: Social Justice Warriors. I had to google it lol People are delusional if they think the online SWJ have any actual power. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23453 Posts
On July 20 2015 09:33 Slaughter wrote: People are delusional if they think the online SWJ have any actual power. It's basically the modern version of "uppity blacks ruined everything" | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On July 20 2015 09:35 GreenHorizons wrote: It's basically the modern version of "uppity blacks ruined everything" Yeah. "Look at that person, that motherfucker wants social justice. Fuck that guy." It's what you get called if you point out that, excluding children's movies, there are next to no female protagonists in film. It's what you get called if you think it's strange that white men constitute basically everyone at the top as measured by power, money, or what have you, and that black women are basically invisible in the culture of the West. It's what you get called if you ask why it is that men talk about women as if they're objects. It's what you get called if you point out that white terrorists are always considered crazy pity-cases and arab or black terrorists get called terrorists. | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On July 20 2015 09:46 Yoav wrote: Yeah. "Look at that person, that motherfucker wants social justice. Fuck that guy." It's what you get called if you point out that, excluding children's movies, there are next to no female protagonists in film. It's what you get called if you think it's strange that white men constitute basically everyone at the top as measured by power, money, or what have you, and that black women are basically invisible in the culture of the West. It's what you get called if you ask why it is that men talk about women as if they're objects. It's what you get called if you point out that white terrorists are always considered crazy pity-cases and arab or black terrorists get called terrorists. Yes, we get it, white males are the cause of all social ills in the West. How novel. You might as well be asking why white women are basically invisible in the culture in Africa? When you make up less than 4-5% of population of course you're not going to feature prominently in the local culture, especially when those cultures go back thousands of years when the percentage of population was less than 0.25% (e.g. why Aristotle is a pillar of western philosophy...I'm sure there were a ton of blacks in Greece during that time /sarc). A lot of people don't like SJW's because their argumentation is disingenuous and has a huge double standard, and secondly, they're extremely overzealous. As for female protagonists. Well, I assume you're only talking about action/sci-fi genres since females are well represented in comedy/rom-coms/etc. Anyways, I wonder if you happen to have forgot about 2 of the most influential and popular sci-fi franchises in history have female protagonists (Alien & Terminator). Carry on though with your false premises. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On July 20 2015 09:46 Yoav wrote: Yeah. "Look at that person, that motherfucker wants social justice. Fuck that guy." It's what you get called if you point out that, excluding children's movies, there are next to no female protagonists in film. It's what you get called if you think it's strange that white men constitute basically everyone at the top as measured by power, money, or what have you, and that black women are basically invisible in the culture of the West. It's what you get called if you ask why it is that men talk about women as if they're objects. It's what you get called if you point out that white terrorists are always considered crazy pity-cases and arab or black terrorists get called terrorists. Let's not glorify angry internet mobs now. There's a very large difference between pointing out bad representation in general, and attacking individuals involved in currently popular media or recent events. You can have good motives but bad methods, and people who do nothing but attack targets over the internet definitely have the latter. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 20 2015 09:33 Slaughter wrote: People are delusional if they think the online SWJ have any actual power. Concur, its when establishment media adopt their verbiage and uncritically accept their versions of events that things go south. The Rolling Stone piece is an example, as is the reporting on Ellen Pao/Reddit. Their strength is that their stories typically reinforce narratives the media already are spinning | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On July 20 2015 09:46 Yoav wrote: Yeah. "Look at that person, that motherfucker wants social justice. Fuck that guy." It's what you get called if you point out that, excluding children's movies, there are next to no female protagonists in film. It's what you get called if you think it's strange that white men constitute basically everyone at the top as measured by power, money, or what have you, and that black women are basically invisible in the culture of the West. It's what you get called if you ask why it is that men talk about women as if they're objects. It's what you get called if you point out that white terrorists are always considered crazy pity-cases and arab or black terrorists get called terrorists. Exactly. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 20 2015 09:27 GreenHorizons wrote: 16k between 2 events in Texas, yeah just a fringe guy who doesn't appeal to the masses lol. You're on his campaign so obviously you're all in, but it's still a far bridge to cross for him to make it into the middle. He is doing great amongst the left, but the huge chunk of the D and R parties is focused on the middle and who can win there. Hillary is still dominant in favorability with both the left and center. Now she was the front runner last time and Obama came from behind, but Obama had extraordinary charisma and still ran a typical big money campaign (just with much better data than anyone before him.) It's a good sign that he's fairly even with young and old voters, but he's too far behind on the middle aged, who likely have a bad taste in their mouth from other far left candidates in the past. Sanders will do a great job rallying the left, but he has to convince the middle of the Democrats that he can beat Jeb in the middle. Hillary's numbers across liberal and moderate democrats are really pretty astounding right now. In the end, I think Sanders will help Hillary win, whereas Trump will hurt Jeb. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On July 20 2015 12:20 oneofthem wrote: must say it is a revelation to see the popularity of the 'omg the evil SJWs' movement on the internets. Lol, evil... There's nothing evil about internet mobs. They're just loud and angry. Seems like we've gone to completely opposite extremes in the last couple decades, where it started as "Lol, people are angry on the internet" into today's "OMG PEOPLE ARE ANGRY ON THE INTERNET!" | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 20 2015 12:03 Jibba wrote: You're on his campaign so obviously you're all in, but it's still a far bridge to cross for him to make it into the middle. He is doing great amongst the left, but the huge chunk of the D and R parties is focused on the middle and who can win there. Hillary is still dominant in favorability with both the left and center. Now she was the front runner last time and Obama came from behind, but Obama had extraordinary charisma and still ran a typical big money campaign (just with much better data than anyone before him.) It's a good sign that he's fairly even with young and old voters, but he's too far behind on the middle aged, who likely have a bad taste in their mouth from other far left candidates in the past. Sanders will do a great job rallying the left, but he has to convince the middle of the Democrats that he can beat Jeb in the middle. Hillary's numbers across liberal and moderate democrats are really pretty astounding right now. In the end, I think Sanders will help Hillary win, whereas Trump will hurt Jeb. And don't forget that Sanders is polling single digits among African Americans. In a theoretical actual election, they'd probably go for him over any Republican candidate but unless he works some real magic Hillary can fall behind in in other demographics, but still finish comfortably ahead. On SJW: I've said it before, people who go for the wrong fruit or low-hanging fruit are the fucking worst. They turn their cause into a caricature. They're the idiots who hang up a mission accomplished banner a la George Junior when they get one guy on Reddit who used a racial slur featured on CNN and banned. It's worse than armchair activism. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On July 20 2015 10:12 Wegandi wrote: Yes, we get it, white males are the cause of all social ills in the West. How novel. You might as well be asking why white women are basically invisible in the culture in Africa? When you make up less than 4-5% of population of course you're not going to feature prominently in the local culture, White women are hardly invisible in the culture of Africa, for whatever it's worth. But more importantly: the United States is 78% white, 17% hispanic (overlaps with white/black), and 13% black. I focused in my post on media representation because it's relatively simple, easy to measure, and clearly skewed. The top 10 US-made movies in any year should have black protagonists in 13% of cases in a fair society, within statistical variation. They should have female protagonists in 50% of cases. White men should average around 4 protagonist roles in that set per year, and minority women should average 1 role per year, roughly half of those black. This is all with generous assumptions; most movies are made in California, which would demand higher diversity if it were the model. In reality, pick any year, and it's not close. Here's the last few: 2014: 7 white men (and one chimpanzee played by a white man in a movie where the other leads were all white men) 2 white women 2013: 5 white men (and one male monster played by a white man) 3 white women (including Frozen; children's movies have long had better statistics than movies in general 1 multiracial man 2012 5 white men (and 2 animals played by white men) 1 white woman 1 black man 2011 5 white men (and 1 animal and a car, both played by white men) 1 white woman 1 multiracial man 2010 6 white men (and 1 ogre played by a white man) 3 white women On July 20 2015 10:12 Wegandi wrote: especially when those cultures go back thousands of years when the percentage of population was less than 0.25% (e.g. why Aristotle is a pillar of western philosophy...I'm sure there were a ton of blacks in Greece during that time /sarc). Nobody has any problem with Western science/philosophy being a historically white, male endeavor. The thing is modern culture is a different story. On July 20 2015 10:12 Wegandi wrote: A lot of people don't like SJW's because their argumentation is disingenuous and has a huge double standard, and secondly, they're extremely overzealous. There are idiot SJWs, just like any other group. Doesn't change the fact that the group has a point. Sure, it's stupid to say "X is a bad movie because it doesn't pass the Bechdel test." + Show Spoiler + Which requires two named female characters to speak to each other about something other than a man. On July 20 2015 10:12 Wegandi wrote: As for female protagonists. Well, I assume you're only talking about action/sci-fi genres since females are well represented in comedy/rom-coms/etc. Anyways, I wonder if you happen to have forgot about 2 of the most influential and popular sci-fi franchises in history have female protagonists (Alien & Terminator). Carry on though with your false premises. A few counterexamples don't make the point. And yes, Alien and The Terminator are great movies with female protagonists. You'll notice, however, that every one of the 4 fucking sequels to Terminator made the main character a male character. And generally, it's laughable to pretend that women are adequately represented in comedies, never mind action movies. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23453 Posts
On July 20 2015 13:36 ticklishmusic wrote: And don't forget that Sanders is polling single digits among African Americans. In a theoretical actual election, they'd probably go for him over any Republican candidate but unless he works some real magic Hillary can fall behind in in other demographics, but still finish comfortably ahead. On SJW: I've said it before, people who go for the wrong fruit or low-hanging fruit are the fucking worst. They turn their cause into a caricature. They're the idiots who hang up a mission accomplished banner a la George Junior when they get one guy on Reddit who used a racial slur featured on CNN and banned. It's worse than armchair activism. Ironically enough Sanders had his best Black American turnout in none other than Texas. Expect a sharp increase in his POC numbers in the next poll that reflects this weekend. O'Malley getting booed off stage and everything that followed just put Bernie on millions of POC's radar for the first time. There was a lot of back and forth but Bernie is coming out on top, though there is still a healthy amount of skepticism. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 20 2015 12:20 oneofthem wrote: must say it is a revelation to see the popularity of the 'omg the evil SJWs' movement on the internets. I laughed out loud seeing how starkly asked and answered the question was right here. I expected some detached explanation, boring. I didn't expect Yoav to crystallize everything you might expect one to be. Talk about roll call. Yes, if you see the world in race, class, and sex, and sexual orientation, wear the badge with pride. If the world is only ever made up of victims, oppressors, and the champions of the oppressed, behold the term that's gained some recognition (albeit mostly people that overdo it) The second laugh if for people that think the worlds in their clutches, which I'll believe if Putin falls and the Middle East is rallied to their religion. I think people just need a single salient point of sickness in western culture to join in attacking; the bigger picture is much too complex. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
And before I hear anything about his history about civil rights an all that, let's remember that Sanders is largely being supported by the American middle class whites who are afraid of being knocked down in the social class, students in particular. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23453 Posts
On July 20 2015 15:08 Shiragaku wrote: But his support among African Americans is still incredibly weak, just look what happened at one of his latest rallies. And before I hear anything about his history about civil rights an all that, let's remember that Sanders is largely being supported by the American middle class whites who are afraid of being knocked down in the social class, students in particular. Goodness I really am neck deep in this ish. You're about three cycles behind. There was static, O'Malley got it 100000x worse. There was backlash against the protesters from various sides. There was a more measured response from the protesters. There is skepticism in black communities about Bernie but less than before, we're starting to check our own and let them know we gotta look at the guy as a whole and not be assume he's like the rest. Some people are still being petty about it but him saying this in Dallas was a pretty big deal. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On July 20 2015 15:07 Danglars wrote: I laughed out loud seeing how starkly asked and answered the question was right here. I expected some detached explanation, boring. I didn't expect Yoav to crystallize everything you might expect one to be. Talk about roll call. Yes, if you see the world in race, class, and sex, and sexual orientation, wear the badge with pride. If the world is only ever made up of victims, oppressors, and the champions of the oppressed, behold the term that's gained some recognition (albeit mostly people that overdo it) The second laugh if for people that think the worlds in their clutches, which I'll believe if Putin falls and the Middle East is rallied to their religion. I think people just need a single salient point of sickness in western culture to join in attacking; the bigger picture is much too complex. Ya know, I used to not really give much thought to race/class/sex. Then people challenged me and asked why it was that minorities and women are underrepresented in our culture. And I saw this was the case, and that I had only ignored it for so long because the people on the movie screens looked like me and I hadn't noticed. When you notice that this variable you ignored correlates to lots of things, you realize it has descriptive power, and then may go on to realize that it points to injustice. | ||
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