On June 06 2012 21:46 Doctorasul wrote: You want fairy tales, soap operas and circus theatrics: giant vs albino, one-armed vs one-eyed, black vs trans-gendered, midget vs morbidly obese. Why are you trying to make a real competition into a spectacle? Let serious tournaments to do what they do best: separate the best from the rest.
The lack of black SC2 pros is indeed a problem. I think MLG needs to invite more black people in their Arenas and other tournaments.
OP has a point tough, there will be less people watching tournaments if they start becoming too stacked with Koreans. And thats bad in the long run. Great for true starcraft fans, but bad for casual viewer. I allready hear it from my friends that used to play and watch alot of starcraft, that there is nopoint watching cause its too stacked with Koreans, they might watch 2 games from the whole night just because there is Stephano or Idra taking on someone big, but thats it.
Bolded part is just my opinnion, but what ive seen myself it seems to be the truth. Stack too much Koreans and atleast my friends stop watching. Ofc if its like only NA players they won't bother either, so its all about balancing it.
tournaments bringing the best players in the world to play in said tournaments, how dare they try to bring about the best games possible. But really, if we want more foreigners at premier events, we need more good foreigners, plain and simple.
My take: 1) How I see a competition: It's a system which facilitates the organised competition of participants of what is essentially a conflict of interests (in this case, a game), wherin the winners are revealed through a series of trials which test and quantify their ability to reach their goals on relatively equal grounds. The koreans got where they are in this game by the merrits of their skill. Are you suggesting that we remove "competition" in favor of.. what? I view this as a way of rigging the game. Lets not segment the Starcraft competitive scene with these austerity measures which would basically damage the relevance of prominent foreign competitions such as MLG and IPL. Why stop there? If we continue your line of thought why dont we just award first place to someone like WhiteRa or Idra or something. That would totally bring the viewers! 2) You compare MLG with WCG in its prime... Imho WCG resembled a world cup more than anything. MLG resembles a sort of league: player statistics are carried through the tournaments; it happens much more frequently, hence its provides for a more liquidated and constant illustration of player skill, which in my opinion SHOULD be used to enhance the competition by basing player participation on actual acomplishment.
On June 06 2012 21:48 stfouri wrote: OP has a point tough, there will be less people watching tournaments if they start becoming too stacked with Koreans. And thats bad in the long run. Great for true starcraft fans, but bad for casual viewer. I allready hear it from my friends that used to play and watch alot of starcraft, that there is nopoint watching cause its too stacked with Koreans, they might watch 2 games from the whole night just because there is Stephano or Idra taking on someone big, but thats it.
Bolded part is just my opinnion, but what ive seen myself it seems to be the truth. Stack too much Koreans and atleast my friends stop watching. Ofc if its like only NA players they won't bother either, so its all about balancing it.
Your bolded part is a good thing, if people aren't fans of starcraft then I don't care what they think.
If every tournament not named OSL/Proleague/GSTL/GSL closed down tomorrow I would be satisfied with just the korean leagues easily. It's a ton of content by itself.
Please go ahead and set up your own league with you own rules then, if you don't want to see Koreans win.
I don't see why a better player should be restricted from competing just because he/she happened to be born in Korea. And i certainly don't see why somebody should have an easier shot at winning, just because you got a bigger emotional connection towards the person.
The underlying racism - whether you realise it or not - in your op is a disgrace for every form of competition.
Dude, MLG is from one of the most capitalistic countries of the world, they think money>equality. I don't know how you missed it, but it is true and I'm afraid it wont change.
That's like saying "ban the european teams from Soccer world championship, they are too strong!!!1" Makes no sense. Of course there should be events where the foreigners could play against each other without the koreans, but banning them from already international events would just ruin everything. Apart from that, I love me some FvK matches
Why should I care if there is no non-korean players in top 10 ? For me the koreans are the same as the americans, the germans, the french, the dutch, the swedes etc. They are not bulgarians so all of them are foreigners for me. MLG should deliver the best entertainment / best games possible. Koreans give you that so I can't see the logic in replacing them with non-koreans with lesser skill. Also the anology with WCG is comletely out of place. WCG is competition between the nations. MLG is individual competition.
Ps: People calling this topic racism and asking for a close of this topic, get a life!
People asking for a limited number of Koreans at major tournaments, get a life! See what I did there?
I see what you tried yes, but you failed. Talking about racism in a topic/conversation like this is just out of proportion.
Someone wants to limit the number of people major tournaments because of their nationality, but it's out of proportion to talk about nationalism/racism? Yeah you are so damn right.
"How does MLG ever want to present their product to a larger audience if its all about Random Korean 1 who likes noodles and plays all day against Random Korean 2 who likes noodles and plays all day?" Racism? Get a life.
I do miss seeing the foreigner underdogs making there way through the open bracket at MLG now they have an even smaller chance than they did a year ago. Koreans are better because they have these tight practice regimes and put almost all of their time into it. Yes there are some foreigner team houses but they even so do not have the same dynamics seen in Korean team houses. It is a lot harder for new foreigners to make a name for them selves these days with the amount of Koreans that participate in tournaments like MLG and IPL. It is difficult as the Koreans do practice incredibly hard and do deserve a chance to play in these tournaments, especially if they are flying all the way to play as well. Though it would be nice to see the foreigners do as well and not all be completely out matched by Koreans. Obviously that is again due to time put into training.
I dont know I have very mixed views on this subject, it would be nice for foreigners to have their own GSL kind of like what i thought NASL would be.
There are still foreign-dominated tournaments and more could be created. Why does MLG have to fit that mold? They want to be the premier western tournament and they do that by having the highest level of competition. GSLv2 is what they basically want to be, as GSL is the premier SC league right now.
Variety in tournaments is great and not everything should be an MLG or GSL. HSC is a great tournament but not everything should be like that either.
On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote: Damn people who practice the game more winning!
Right?
foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response
You mean the foreigners are just worse than the Koreans? The only people the foreigners can blame for being behind is theirselves, if they worked harder they would play better.
you can practice as much as you want but if you dont have alot of high level players to discuss the game with you wont improve as fast as other players
Considering that MMA and others on SlayerS said that Thorzain is one of the best people to talk about the game with, why is that a problem? Are there really not enough high level foreigners that can throw ideas and strategies off eachother, or do they just not do so?
The difference is: For each one Thorzain, there is the whole SlayerS team to talk to. That is, if you are a Korean. Naniwa mentioned their national pride, which puts an inherent advantage to collaboration.
Yes, the western scene could organize themselves better. But things are different here. MLG, IEM and DH are mostly not pre-scheduled matches against specific opponents. There are too many players to prepare for, while such thing is possible for GSL. Let's say, Naniwa has an upcoming match against someone specific, chances are slim he'll get any significant intelligence from the other Koreans.
In the west, there is a higher priority on your own team brand. So while "banning" is simply a bad idea, foreigners should be encouraged to work together more tightly and in a organized manner. The dfference between the two scenes is not only skill and practice. But skill, practice and access to information
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shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response
